Not seeing load out put on victron app?

[onkelz]

Hello everyone ,hope all is well where you are in the world..
i started posting a few questions and got the help i needed to setup and to get going thankyou to all who helped ....

After setting up and running for awhile i noticed on the victron app that in the load section i was not showing anything,,but i have been told here to leave the load ports alone and connect the inverter to my lynx distribution -(controllers are victron 100/20...)so i see why i dont get anything coming up as not going through the ports etc.....also ,i am sure i am running lead acid (batts are new i got from my father so not 100% sure on acid or gel??),,anyway i have noticed on the victron app i do not see lead acid option when setting batterys up ??

is there away to see load outputs ?,,would i need a shunt or something like that ? any help would be great on this....
thankyou again for your time ..karl -sydney Aus

 

[mikefitz]

on the victron app that in the load section i was not showing anything

You are not using the load terminals so there will be no data. Your inverter connects to the battery via the fuse.
You asked questions on previous posts that were not answered.

Battery capacity, you have 6 off 1240Ah 2v cells arranged as a 12v battery, since the cells are in series the capacity is still 1240 Ah.
Thats a big battery and idealy needs a high charge current.

Charge voltage, that's the absorbtion voltage, set to 14.4 volts.

You seem to be using a lynx distributor, why is that, are you expanding to a full Victron system?

victron app i do not see lead acid option

It's usually the default, but you may have to adjust some settings, post a screen shot for advice.

Whilst the controller app gives some useful information it does not tell you power into and out thebattery and its state of charge.
A Victron Smart shunt will provide this information.

 

[onkelz]

You are not using the load terminals so there will be no data. Your inverter connects to the battery via the fuse.
You asked questions on previous posts that were not answered.

Battery capacity, you have 6 off 1240Ah 2v cells arranged as a 12v battery, since the cells are in series the capacity is still 1240 Ah.
Thats a big battery and idealy needs a high charge current.

Charge voltage, that's the absorbtion voltage, set to 14.4 volts.

You seem to be using a lynx distributor, why is that, are you expanding to a full Victron system?


It's usually the default, but you may have to adjust some settings, post a screen shot for advice.

Whilst the controller app gives some useful information it does not tell you power into and out thebattery and its state of charge.
A Victron Smart shunt will provide this information.
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Hi mikefitz...
thanks for the reply,,first i am using the victron system as i was pwm for about 15 years so everything was auto so to speak not much to change with pwn settings...so i started looking and was advised to go victron as there a better unit etc.....
my system is
2x victron 100/20 contollers
1 x 1000w inverter(not victron)
lynx distributor
my batts 1240 ah 2v x6=12v

you asked for a screen shot ? what would you like to see mate ,,any help is welcome
..Karl

 

[mikefitz]

what would you like to see mate

The charger battery settings.

 

[outboard1196]

Hi mikefitz...
thanks for the reply,,first i am using the victron system as i was pwm for about 15 years so everything was auto so to speak not much to change with pwn settings...so i started looking and was advised to go victron as there a better unit etc.....
my system is
2x victron 100/20 contollers
1 x 1000w inverter(not victron)
lynx distributor
my batts 1240 ah 2v x6=12v

you asked for a screen shot ? what would you like to see mate ,,any help is welcome
..Karl

40A kind of low for leadacid no?
What's the recommended charge current?

 

[onkelz]

The charger battery settings.

 

[onkelz]

40A kind of low for leadacid no?
What's the recommended batterys ??

what would be the max charge be for these batterys,is there a way to find out?,i have tryed to look online ,but dont get much info ?
also are these lead acid or gel ?

 

[outboard1196]

what would be the max charge be for these batterys,is there a way to find out?,i have tryed to look online ,but dont get much info ?
also are these lead acid or gel ?

You'd have to ask mfg for charge current , they are gel or agm which might be OK with lower charge current. I'm no expert. Also have to think how long it would take to change from a deep discharge, might end up in a death loop not charging to 100%
Change equalization voltage to same as absorbtion to make sure it doesn't accidentally go too high.

 

[onkelz]

You'd have to ask mfg for charge current , they are gel or agm which might be OK with lower charge current. I'm no expert. Also have to think how long it would take to change from a deep discharge, might end up in a death loop not charging to 100%
Change equalization voltage to same as absorbtion to make sure it doesn't accidentally go too high.

ok will change the settings for equalization ..also i wanted to ask ,i am running 2x 100/20 as you know ,but could i now put say 1x 100/50 or would i need to match the others at 100/20 ?

 

[outboard1196]

ok will change the settings for equalization ..also i wanted to ask ,i am running 2x 100/20 as you know ,but could i now put say 1x 100/50 or would i need to match the others at 100/20 ?

You can mix and match sizes, enable smart network for best results ( if not using a cerbo)

 

[onkelz]

ok nice ...i was just thinking ,is there a menu or anything thats sets max and low voltage ,,
the reason i ask 1 -yes im a newbie ...but when i used pwm controller you could set that and was worded like that max voltage -low voltage etc...or have i already set that by doing those settings in the app,like absorbtion voltage -14.4 etc....
sorry for the dumbness

 

[outboard1196]

ok nice ...i was just thinking ,is there a menu or anything thats sets max and low voltage ,,
the reason i ask 1 -yes im a newbie ...but when i used pwm controller you could set that and was worded like that max voltage -low voltage etc...or have i already set that by doing those settings in the app,like absorbtion voltage -14.4 etc....
sorry for the dumbness

Min/Max for what exactly?

 

[onkelz]

Min/Max for what exactly?

power going into the batts ..so i dont over charge the batteries or take to much power out of them etc,,my solar system is totally of grid in the aussie bush ,i dont want to start a fire with wrong settings or settings i dont know about etc..

 

[outboard1196]

Absorbtion is the highest voltage. To protect from low voltage ( over discharge) you'll need something else depending on what type of loads you have.

 

[mikefitz]

what would you like to see

The battery clearly has float voltage printed on the label, 2.23 v per cell, that's 13.4 volts, change 13.8 to 13.4.

take to much power out of them

The charger cannot control a lower voltage limit unless you use the load settings, directly powering the load from the load outputs or using the load outputs as a control signal. Since you are using an inverter connected directly to the battery low voltage protection you could use the remote on/off on the inverter, ( if fitted)
A useful method of protecting the battery powering gloads, ( excluding an inverter directly ), is using a Victron Smart battery protect,

Smart BatteryProtect | Victron Energy

Disconnect the battery from non essential loads before it is completely discharged with Victron Energy's Smart BatteryProtect. Find a dealer near you.

www.victronenergy.com

The battery cells you have 1428 Ah are are sealed EXIDE GEL high quality batteries, can be cycled safely down to 80% of capacity.

When recharging needs to reach absorbtion volts, 14.4, and usually for GEL a long absorbtion period. 3 hours or more. Not recomended to set equilisation cycle, so disable and/or set equilisation volts same as absorbtion volts.

40 amps charge into 1500Ah of battery, assuming a 50% discharge battery, will take some time, around 25 to 35 hours . Typically a battery of this size would charge with 100 to 200 amps.

 

[outboard1196]

A useful method of protecting the battery powering gloads, ( excluding an inverter directly ), is using a Victron Smart battery protect,

Smart BatteryProtect | Victron Energy

Disconnect the battery from non essential loads before it is completely discharged with Victron Energy's Smart BatteryProtect. Find a dealer near you.

www.victronenergy.com

Be careful, a battery protect can't be attached to the main battery cable of an inverter.

 

[onkelz]

Be careful, a battery protect can't be attached to the main battery cable of an inverter.

ok..just had a look at it,where would you mount this then? my main goes to the lynx so would that be the best place in front of the lynx ?

 

[onkelz]

The battery clearly has float voltage printed on the label, 2.23 v per cell, that's 13.4 volts, change 13.8 to 13.4.

The charger cannot control a lower voltage limit unless you use the load settings, directly powering the load from the load outputs or using the load outputs as a control signal. Since you are using an inverter connected directly to the battery low voltage protection you could use the remote on/off on the inverter, ( if fitted)
A useful method of protecting the battery powering gloads, ( excluding an inverter directly ), is using a Victron Smart battery protect,

Smart BatteryProtect | Victron Energy

Disconnect the battery from non essential loads before it is completely discharged with Victron Energy's Smart BatteryProtect. Find a dealer near you.

www.victronenergy.com

The battery cells you have 1428 Ah are are sealed EXIDE GEL high quality batteries, can be cycled safely down to 80% of capacity.

When recharging needs to reach absorbtion volts, 14.4, and usually for GEL a long absorbtion period. 3 hours or more. Not recomended to set equilisation cycle, so disable and/or set equilisation volts same as absorbtion volts.

40 amps charge into 1500Ah of battery, assuming a 50% discharge battery, will take some time, around 25 to 35 hours . Typically a battery of this size would charge with 100 to 200 amps.
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that's great thankyou very much for your info ,,,i do have one question about the victron app maybe you could help me with,i use 2x 100/200 contollers ,i just noticed on one controller that it says load output down the bottom.
state /on
current /0.1a
power /1w
how ever there is nothing connected to the output port ?why would this be ,as i connect my inverter to the lynx i do not use a load port

 

[outboard1196]

ok..just had a look at it,where would you mount this then? my main goes to the lynx so would that be the best place in front of the lynx ?

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