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Off grid has become (pleasantly) boring

Madcodger

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When we started down the path to build an off-grid, 100% solar home with no grid connection, all electric appliances, and heat pumps for heat (except the slab in the garage and entry foyer, and we hope to later convert that away from propane to an air-to-water heat pump), our friends and even our contractor thought we were a little bit nuts. I mean, the power lines are less than 200 feet away, through an open field, but we just ignored them (both the power lines, and the people).

It was admittedly a modest challenge when we had only the 6.4KW of ground mounts early on, but then we added 3.2KW of vertical panels in early November and had to use the generator only sparingly. And once we got the final 4 KW of panels mounted onto the gambrel roof fired up on Dec 22 (for a total of 13.6 KW over four strings at different angles), we haven't run the generator at all. The lowest we ran down the batteries' charge was 41%. And, it got down to about -11F for a few nights, and the Mitsubishi hyper-heat heat pumps (rated for full output down to -22F) didn't even blink.

I watched the batteries like a hawk all winter, sure that we'd need to curtail power use or fire up the generator, but we just didn't. The most we did was wait for a sunny day to do laundry or run the dishwasher, and we didn't wait at all if it would be inconvenient to do so. The energy efficient building performed at least as well as we had hoped if not a bit better, and the energy-conserving appliances did the same. And I now see that I just don't need to worry and fret. I still have some alerts set up in the home automation system to tell me if something goes amiss or the batteries get too low, but the only things I now see are the "heartbeat" notifications that tell me, "Yep, still here - all is well". The whole adventure has become quite pleasantly boring.

So, if you're contemplating something similar, I can assure you it's possible, and does not require sacrifice. In fact, the whole thing has been easier and more peaceful than going through a typical winter with grid power outages that necessitated the automatic generator running for hours (sometimes days) at our previous home. And, while we didn't do this to save money, I've calculated our payback at 7.8 years using today's utility rates (which are all but certain to increase over time) as the comparator. After that, we're actually saving money.

So, what's next? We're planning to build a combination she shed / guest house over the summer, and give it it's own PV and battery system. We could tie it into the existing house and system without much trouble but I like the idea of a completely separate system for redundancy, just in case. And what the heck - I had so much fun building the first PV system, I'm looking forward to that more than any other part of the build.
 
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For note it was a relatively mild winter for the Northeast, more typical than last year which was very mild, but by far not the worst, it’s probably more typical with whatever you want to call recent weather patterns.

Congrats on building a system and managing it for the hardest part of the year.

Question is, what are you going to be doing with the excess over the summer months? You can’t let those excess watts go to waste!

hydrogen generator? Crypto mining? 3d printer farm?
 
One of the things to note is the smaller area to be heated and the excellent insulation.

How many hours of generator runtime did you havr?
 
Question is, what are you going to be doing with the excess over the summer months? You can’t let those excess watts go to waste!
Probably keep the garage really cool. And power the equipment for the she shed build (24 x 32, so not tiny). Thinking about an EV but we don't drive all that much and everything is already paid for, so not a great move moneywise. It was admittedly not a terrible winter but nit a mild one either, for us. And I've still got two unused MPPT inputs, so....
How many hours of generator runtime did you havr?
About 40 hours before all the panels were up on Dec 22, most of that before the verticals were installed in Nov. Zero since Dec 22 when the last 4 KW went live!
 
OP, What part of the country are you located ? I'm guessing an area that is not too cloudy.
 
OP, What part of the country are you located ? I'm guessing an area that is not too cloudy.
Maine

For note there’s a huge difference geographically in Maine. Mid coast Maine is not the same as Rangeley, or even “The County”.

Here’s our driveway to our camp this past weekend. It’s a north facing driveway and is always packed with snow even though most of the area is bare ground. We hope to be back in another month with hopes of bare ground.
 

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Probably keep the garage really cool. And power the equipment for the she shed build (24 x 32, so not tiny). Thinking about an EV but we don't drive all that much and everything is already paid for, so not a great move moneywise. It was admittedly not a terrible winter but nit a mild one either, for us. And I've still got two unused MPPT inputs, so....

About 40 hours before all the panels were up on Dec 22, most of that before the verticals were installed in Nov. Zero since Dec 22 when the last 4 KW went live!
May want to consider a schneider xw pro 6848 on closeout for the new shed. Hard to beat for bang for buck and rock solid dependability.
 
After reviewing your complaint I think I see the solution. You need to tear everything down and rebuild. Now that you know that it works in the present configuration it is time to move on and upgrade.
 
Or a used gen 1 EV Ranger with a lead acid you can convert to lifepo.

Or a EV golf cart without and cells.
And grandchildren that like to visit and drive........ :ROFLMAO:

I remember as a kid we had a 3 hp mini bike, centrifugal clutch. We rode it so much it wore the throttle shaft hole out, ended up using a piece of copper tubing to make a bushing. Later, the blowby was so bad it was hard to keep oil in it.

Ride in circles all day long.
 
OP, What part of the country are you located ? I'm guessing an area that is not too cloudy.
Maine. Personally, I find it offers just the right amount of sunny for me! It's hardly San Diego, though.

For note there’s a huge difference geographically in Maine. Mid coast Maine is not the same as Rangeley, or even “The County”
True, in terms of cold - but not too much difference in sun. The southern 2/3 of the state is in climate zone 6A, while "the County" is 7A. We're midcoast-central) but that just means it's often raining here when it's snowing in the mountains. Rangeley gets much more snow, of course - but again, it's just the form of precipitation for about six months of the year.

You need one of these for the excess in summer.
Man, I wish! I'm just too cheap to spring for it. Have a 2017 900XP that we use for going between the "barnpartment" and the tractor shed up the hill, for hauling firewood for the sauna, etc. I can plow with it but it takes too long and lacks a heated cab like the tractor. Hopefully it'll last another 20 years.
 
One of the things to note is the smaller area to be heated and the excellent insulation.
THIS is key. We have the space we need, and for us, it's laid out in a good way. Easily the most comfortable house I've ever lived in. And it just takes so little to power it. It is very difficult to overcome energy loss by just pouring in more energy, which is what people were "trained" to do in the US for many decades because energy was abundant and relatively cheap. NOT taking that approach is the key to living happily off grid.
 
And in the opposite end of the country down in Central Florida on the coast, I am doing the exact same thing I believe with a roundabout the same equipment.
It is highly doable now with a bit of forethought and planning.
 
THIS is key. We have the space we need, and for us, it's laid out in a good way. Easily the most comfortable house I've ever lived in. And it just takes so little to power it. It is very difficult to overcome energy loss by just pouring in more energy, which is what people were "trained" to do in the US for many decades because energy was abundant and relatively cheap. NOT taking that approach is the key to living happily off grid.
Biggest issue for me is the winter heat. Just can't be done with solar with two oil filled portable radiators at 1500W each, too thirsty. Plan is to get a Mitsubishi hyper heat by the fall heating season and see how that goes, along with expanded battery capacity might be able to make it. Biggest problem is when you get a week or two of solid cloud with no direct sun that was our Feb/March.
 
Plan is to get a Mitsubishi hyper heat
Love ours. The 12K unit still appears to be more efficient than the 18K, although I need to get the installer to double check the 18K. With a COP of 2-4, should be much better than the COP of 1 of an oil filled radiator heater.
 
True, in terms of cold - but not too much difference in sun. The southern 2/3 of the state is in climate zone 6A, while "the County" is 7A. We're midcoast-central) but that just means it's often raining here when it's snowing in the mountains. Rangeley gets much more snow, of course - but again, it's just the form of precipitation for about six months of the year.
Let us know how the heat pumps and batteries work if Penobscot Bay ever freezes again, then you know you’ll have true winter hardened system.

Soon as temps are consistently around zero those heat pumps suck the juice.
 
When we started down the path to build an off-grid, 100% solar home with no grid connection, all electric appliances, and heat pumps for heat (except the slab in the garage and entry foyer, and we hope to later convert that away from propane to an air-to-water heat pump), our friends and even our contractor thought we were a little bit nuts. I mean, the power lines are less than 200 feet away, through an open field, but we just ignored them (both the power lines, and the people).

It was admittedly a modest challenge when we had only the 6.4KW of ground mounts early on, but then we added 3.2KW of vertical panels in early November and had to use the generator only sparingly. And once we got the final 4 KW of panels mounted onto the gambrel roof fired up on Dec 22 (for a total of 13.6 KW over four strings at different angles), we haven't run the generator at all. The lowest we ran down the batteries' charge was 41%. And, it got down to about -11F for a few nights, and the Mitsubishi hyper-heat heat pumps (rated for full output down to -22F) didn't even blink.

I watched the batteries like a hawk all winter, sure that we'd need to curtail power use or fire up the generator, but we just didn't. The most we did was wait for a sunny day to do laundry or run the dishwasher, and we didn't wait at all if it would be inconvenient to do so. The energy efficient building performed at least as well as we had hoped if not a bit better, and the energy-conserving appliances did the same. And I now see that I just don't need to worry and fret. I still have some alerts set up in the home automation system to tell me if something goes amiss or the batteries get too low, but the only things I now see are the "heartbeat" notifications that tell me, "Yep, still here - all is well". The whole adventure has become quite pleasantly boring.

So, if you're contemplating something similar, I can assure you it's possible, and does not require sacrifice. In fact, the whole thing has been easier and more peaceful than going through a typical winter with grid power outages that necessitated the automatic generator running for hours (sometimes days) at our previous home. And, while we didn't do this to save money, I've calculated our payback at 7.8 years using today's utility rates (which are all but certain to increase over time) as the comparator. After that, we're actually saving money.

So, what's next? We're planning to build a combination she shed / guest house over the summer, and give it it's own PV and battery system. We could tie it into the existing house and system without much trouble but I like the idea of a completely separate system for redundancy, just in case. And what the heck - I had so much fun building the first PV system, I'm looking forward to that more than any other part of the build.
I've built and installed several solar systems since my first in 1980. Another being completed this summer. I find the same thing. Design and install them correctly and the maintenance is almost nothing. They just work!
 
Let us know how the heat pumps and batteries work if Penobscot Bay ever freezes again, then you know you’ll have true winter hardened system.

Soon as temps are consistently around zero those heat pumps suck the juice.
I'll be happy to report back and am not at all worried. If that ever occurs again over the course of my lifetime, we can heat the place in alternative ways and keep those things on hand. It's just not necessary the vast majority of the time, if ever, and operating as if it were on a daily basis is just not smart. Also, I track our energy usage including each heat pump, and they consume only moderately more energy at zero. WHICH heat pump you buy makes a very big difference, as does the insulation and air sealing of the building.

After tracking energy use in multiple buildings for several years now, what I've noticed is that unless we're experiencing record-breaking cold, many people will almost always say, "Yeah, but it wasn't a real/bad/cold/etc winter." When you have year after year after year of something, that's the new reality.
 
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The first and most important thing to do when deciding on a solar system is to remove electrical usage waste. That doesn't mean add inconvenience, just use only what you need. I'm preparing a 1000 square cottage for a DIY off-grid solar system. When I'm not there it averages 2.4kwh/day. When I'm there the average is about 4kwh/day. Last month I was not there, and it was 68kwh. I'll be installing a 5kw system with a backup generator that is already onsite. I have every convenience that homeowners have. I'm expecting to have excess energy that can be used for any unexpected added uses. You can go off-grid pretty inexpensively as long as you don't waste energy.5304 Beecher Rd. Cottage 2.jpg
 
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