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One Big Beautiful Bill Act," impacts solar manufacturing in the United States. Impact on Solar Manufacturing

Will the BBB slow solar adoption and manufacturing?

  • Yes, American solar industry will slow down and jobs will be lost.

    Votes: 31 86.1%

  • No, foreign manufacturing and adoption of solar will boom, leaving America in the dark.

    Votes: 17 47.2%
  • Total voters
    36
I’m probably going to pick up another battery or two and then be done with it for this year.
 
chill633 said:
I agree with you on that. I have a detailed plan. I was doing it in two phases and I'm just accelerating Phase 2 to happen this year instead of next.
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Nice. My phase 1 was 2023 and phase 2 was 2024. Phase 3 will likely be a cash deal. Maybe I'll continue my lucky streak and prices will fall somewhat due to demand decrease. Couldn't get that lucky right?
 
J.H. said:
It’s formatted like a trick question an attorney would throw at you while being questioned
It’s a Totally slanted presentation..
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I read the choices as, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."

timselectric said:
I don't like polls.
But I really, really don't like biased polls.
And, this belongs in chit chat.
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I was going to rib you over misspelling as I am wont to do (based on replies quoting your post), but apparently somebody beat me to the punch because your posting has it correct. ("Last edited: Yesterday at 3:35 PM")

Perhaps I could have questioned your ethnic prejudices. Or used innuendo (a sure way to get move to chit-chat or deleted.)

"I don't like poles.
But I really, really don't like biased poles.
And, this belongs in chit chat."
 
I really need to figure out how to turn off auto correct. It makes me look ilitterrrate sometimes.
 
455dan said:
The word "Polish" is also used as an adjective to describe things related to Poland or its people, like the Polish language or Polish culture.
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Here's another use of "Polish"

 
Possum Bobby said:
I like that idea.
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A man can dream. But when the exact same configuration in Europe is 1/3 the price it is in the US, you realize our high cost has nothing to do with demand driven prices -- it is American love for bureaucracy, regulation, and tariffs. When you look at just panels, frequently you see things like Canadian Solar CS6R-425T 425W for £66.77 inc VAT, (about $91) which is virtually impossible price to find in the US, even on clearance.

A much better Solar Pole explains this nicely:

 
I have my major hardware and permits, what is up in the air is getting power and occupancy by the end of the year. they just kicked the development next door back to next year now. I was getting primary from them for my own transformer.
 
skyking1 said:
I have my major hardware and permits, what is up in the air is getting power and occupancy by the end of the year. they just kicked the development next door back to next year now. I was getting primary from them for my own transformer.
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That's a rough situation. Hadn't thought about the people who typically have to wait months to get a a formal go ahead before their system is able to be put in service. The wording of the IRA requires that the system is put in service before you can get the tax credit. Not sure if there's an exception under this new law for projects that have started already but are held up in paperwork nonsense.
 
Osmethne said:
That's a rough situation. Hadn't thought about the people who typically have to wait months to get a a formal go ahead before their system is able to be put in service. The wording of the IRA requires that the system is put in service before you can get the tax credit. Not sure if there's an exception under this new law for projects that have started already but are held up in paperwork nonsense.
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I'm pretty sure there isn't, but I'm not claiming expertise.

I'm thinking about doing my first solar install and that is my worry - that some issue will push the go-live towards EOY and there is the risk that I finish the whole thing and the bill is $15k higher than planned because something gets delayed a week.

That said, I wonder how in-service is defined. If I switch the thing on before getting permission to do so, maybe for a short period of time, then turn it back off, has it been in-service? That would violate the utility rules, but the tax credit is Federal. Then I just need to seek forgiveness at the Utility level - if their grudge doesn't last for years it would probably still be cheaper to deal with that if it gets the credit.

Of course plan A is to get this whole thing done before the deadline, but I haven't started, and there is a risk that they won't approve my first choice of inverter.
 
chill633 said:
A man can dream. But when the exact same configuration in Europe is 1/3 the price it is in the US, you realize our high cost has nothing to do with demand driven prices -- it is American love for bureaucracy, regulation, and tariffs. When you look at just panels, frequently you see things like Canadian Solar CS6R-425T 425W for £66.77 inc VAT, (about $91) which is virtually impossible price to find in the US, even on clearance.

A much better Solar Pole explains this nicely:

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Its swing and roundabouts for prices. The Ecoworthy 280AH in the ad at the top of this page is $600 here & a Midnite classic 150 is almost $1100. I have seen Victron products cheaper on US sites. The problem here in Spain particularly is that off grid & DIY solar is tiny compared to the USA. Installers here also take advantage to jack up prices with the government tax break money being added to the cost of the project, folks only see the "free" money & have no idea that €2500 worth of hardware - at retail - now costs €3500. Some online stores sell kits that cost double the individual components & then offer installation & permits for a seemingly low price.
 
chill633 said:
So... If I am reading things correctly, the bill that passed is not what the text in the OP here says. To get the residential credits, your project has to be completed and turned on by December 31st this year. There is no phase out. That was proposed but shot down.

Commercial projects have a phase out.
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I'm still trying to figure out what is in the signed bill.
 
rich0 said:
That said, I wonder how in-service is defined. If I switch the thing on before getting permission to do so, maybe for a short period
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You may be over thinking it. It sounds like you have it mostly or will have it mostly installed and waiting on permission to operate. The tax man isn’t going to swing by after you file to make sure it’s producing power. If you get audited many months or years later you’ll have the receipts to show it was purchased in 2025.
 
1) Poorly worded poll, but I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt on intent.
2) As I understand it after a fair amount of research, all residential solar credits gone at the end of 2025. That said, I am not a tax professional so proceed at your own risk.
3) I think the bill is going to have a chilling effect on the residential (including DIY) solar industry, and we may see some companies shut down (not ready to speculate on which). Whether you support tax incentives or not, they motivate people to act. When that incentive is gone, many people - often those with larger systems - will be out of the market. That's going to hurt manufacturers, retailers, and installers. At a certain point, that means some companies won't be around to honor warranties, supply parts, etc.
4) Would I have installed our off grid systems, absent the tax incentives? Probably. But I know many people who would not.
 
fatjay said:
The big beautiful bill may not create a solar boom, but I think it'll definitely push a lot more people to DIY as opposed to commercial install. Which I support, because the commercial installers are largely scammers at this point. Tons of non-compliance, grid tie failures to hook up, and general shoddy workmanship. Those people should be beaten with a grounding rod.

The down side is the average idiot will soon be here. I'm all about education, people bettering themselves. But there are so many who are miles from the basics, it's actually dangerous.

I think @Will Prowse should make a video of intro to electronics, intro to solar, basic terminology, and basic layout of solar systems, and every time a person signs up to the forum, they get redirected to a video that auto starts "you found us, but lets get some groundwork laid out first before you ask a million basic questions".

The format should be typical will, quick and to the point, under 5 minutes, if you didnt' get it all the first time, please feel free to re-watch. AC vs DC, difference betwen grid tie and off grid, battery backup vs non, SBU vs SUB vs Utility vs Solar.

I think he'd get a ton of views, and it would genuinely help people who stumbled their way here.
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What does SBU mean 🤣
 
dougbert said:
priority of power source sequence

solar first
battery next
utility last
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Thanks for the explanation. I added that to the FAQ's list of acronyms.

svetz

Thread 'Commonly used Forum Acronyms & Abbreviations'

Solar is befuddling enough! Why use acronyms? Well, we're lazy typists.... :LOL:
  • xSyP - e.g., 2S2P, shorthand for how many cells in Series (S) and Parallel (P).
  • A - Amperes or amps. A measure of current. See warning.
  • AC - Air Conditioning, sometimes A/C.
  • AC - Alternating Current, a waveform of varying voltage with steady frequency.
  • AFAIK - As far as I know
  • AGM - Absorbent glass mat, a type of lead acid battery.
  • Ah - Amp Hours
  • AHJ -...
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Madcodger said:
1) Poorly worded poll, but I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt on intent.
2) As I understand it after a fair amount of research, all residential solar credits gone at the end of 2025. That said, I am not a tax professional so proceed at your own risk.
3) I think the bill is going to have a chilling effect on the residential (including DIY) solar industry, and we may see some companies shut down (not ready to speculate on which). Whether you support tax incentives or not, they motivate people to act. When that incentive is gone, many people - often those with larger systems - will be out of the market. That's going to hurt manufacturers, retailers, and installers. At a certain point, that means some companies won't be around to honor warranties, supply parts, etc.
4) Would I have installed our off grid systems, absent the tax incentives? Probably. But I know many people who would not.
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I'm not sure how other people think but it might have even more of a chilling effect because, hey, why not wait 4 years? The next guy in charge might just put up that sweet 30% discount again.
 
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