well got an email over night, they Pathfinder is on preorder sales right now. unfortunately they priced them selves out of the range I would feel comfortable spending for a 4s 170amp BMS so I won't be preordering. 200US so 287CDN plus by the time it gets here a 25% fee tacked on top of that due to the stupid tariff war.. even if the tariff thing is settled almost 300 for a 12V rv use case is insane. mad me remember why I bought from JBD instead of overkill in the first place.