Planning 48v system in 50amp travel trailer

[Ant.s]

Hello forum members, I am new to here and I think I could really use your help! I am planning to install a 48v setup on my travel trailer and I am feeling a bit overwhelmed. I am planning to start with just the battery and inverter and then do the solar panels at a later time. I am thinking to run the RV's 50 amp shore power through the AC input of the inverter and then run the AC output of the inverter to my breaker box. I am not sure what wires I will need or anything like that.

Here is what I have in mind for components:
-SunGold Power 8KW 48V AIO split phase inverter (SPH8048P)
-Ecoworthy 48v 100AH (5.12kWh) server rack battery (just one of these for now)
-48v to 12v step down converter from amazon

 

[justinm001]

With that inverter you won't be able to plug into 30a or 15a 120v plugs so you're stuck to 50a. Also check the idle consumption of that inverter. That's how much electricity it'll burn just being turned on.

Do you really need 8kw? A Victron multiplus II 2x120 would be much better. Most run 3kw and just run 1 AC. Not sure if they make a 5kw version but that would be much better

 

[Ant.s]

With that inverter you won't be able to plug into 30a or 15a 120v plugs so you're stuck to 50a. Also check the idle consumption of that inverter. That's how much electricity it'll burn just being turned on.

Do you really need 8kw? A Victron multiplus II 2x120 would be much better. Most run 3kw and just run 1 AC. Not sure if they make a 5kw version but that would be much better

So I don’t really need 8kw, I only went that high because I was seeing that the AC pass through on these units caps at the inverter max and I didn’t want to be too limited when I was plugged in
But you make a good point! I’ve now looked into the Victron one you mentioned and it seems to have a much better pass through feature. I hadn’t even thought about victron because they seem so complicated… it seems like there’s a million different components needed for those installs and the AIO system just looked so easy. I saw a diagram from AllAboutRvs YouTube channel and there was so much going on that I didn’t see on the installs for the AIO. Do I need all of that fancy Victron stuff or can I have just the inverter, batteries, and solar charge controller? By fancy stuff I mean like the lynx distributor and smart shunt and display screens and crap like that lol

 

[justinm001]

So I don’t really need 8kw, I only went that high because I was seeing that the AC pass through on these units caps at the inverter max and I didn’t want to be too limited when I was plugged in
But you make a good point! I’ve now looked into the Victron one you mentioned and it seems to have a much better pass through feature. I hadn’t even thought about victron because they seem so complicated… it seems like there’s a million different components needed for those installs and the AIO system just looked so easy. I saw a diagram from AllAboutRvs YouTube channel and there was so much going on that I didn’t see on the installs for the AIO. Do I need all of that fancy Victron stuff or can I have just the inverter, batteries, and solar charge controller? By fancy stuff I mean like the lynx distributor and smart shunt and display screens and crap like that lol

You're looking at home inverters which are designed to power critical loads and whatever so doesn't make sense to pass thru more than it can produce.

Victron is by far the best. Nothing compares. The 2x120 model inverters are specifically designed for RVs and have 120v or 240v input then outputs 120v when inverting all automatically. 3000w would be fine if you just need 1 AC when on batteries. The 3000w inverter can passthrough all 50a/240v shore when on shore but just 3000w when inverting.

A huge feature with Victron is it has power assist so you can hookup to 15a shore and use all 15a plus the inverter 3000w+

You can have as much or little Victron as you want. Buy any batteries you want (not Victron as they're expensive) then whatever inverter you want. I'd suggest getting a CerboGX as it's a brain and will do everything for you and let you do all config from your phone.

The beauty with Victron is you get to pick whatever pieces you want and as many as you want then it all just works together.

 

[Sparks-n-Splinters]

I chose Victron because their focus is far more "mobile" than the others. They are meant for RV and marine use and they just work.
My RV has not gotten switched over yet , but my portable solar station bounces all around my property and has zero issues.

I would not trust an AIO in a bouncy RV. They seem too sensitive, and I question their firmware/ software issues. I just want it to work.

Nothing fancy here, just a 100/20 SCC and a 12v/1200w phoenix inverter and a 100ah 12v battery (Litime) with 2-100w solar panels.

 

[Chuckcamphost]

Hi, I am using the sungoldpower 6500 with 4 48 volt 100 amp batteries in my 5th wheel. I am setting it up now. There are 4 input options and 4 output options with this inverter. Call me, it will adjust without a problem from 50 amp to 30 amp to 20 amp and back. They have a office in California. English speaking not a chinese representative. I had victron in my last rig with 2 3000 watt multiplus II inverters, 3 solar controllers, 2 lynx, and 20 battleborn batteries. It was a great system but too complex with what they have out there now. Also 48 volt will give you much less wiring and much easier install.

 

[Bigbillsd]

@Chuckcamphost: Are you saying that Sungold will Auto Sense the possible current coming in from the pole somehow? The thing about RV's you never know if you will have 50amp on the pole. Also, will that Sungold bump up that power using the battery if its a 20 or 30 amp shore power pole and you want to pull 40 amps? Example, I could run both AC's and the micro on 20 or 30 amp shore power?

The Victron requirement to have 2 inverters to power both legs of my RV's 50 amp circuit is so lame I want to hurl..

 

[justinm001]

@Chuckcamphost: Are you saying that Sungold will Auto Sense the possible current coming in from the pole somehow? The thing about RV's you never know if you will have 50amp on the pole. Also, will that Sungold bump up that power using the battery if its a 20 or 30 amp shore power pole and you want to pull 40 amps? Example, I could run both AC's and the micro on 20 or 30 amp shore power?

The Victron requirement to have 2 inverters to power both legs of my RV's 50 amp circuit is so lame I want to hurl..

Victron makes the 2x120 for the exact reason to power both legs.

 

[Bigbillsd]

Unfortunately the MultiPlus-II 2x 120V is only 2400 watts. Way too small to be useful for a large motorhome to run both AC's from Battery and run the Microwave at the same time. And when you factor in the very hot inverter bay they will run in. They will be limited to 1700 watts or even less.
Hence the reason I am looking for 6kw or more so I can keep at least 4000w available on a very hot day when AC is really needed.

Again, requiring us to buy two with that added complexity is way to lame to make any sense. Apparently we need to find a company that builds stuff for the USA as most of these seem to be based on European specs.. No split phase in Europe I guess.

 

[justinm001]

Unfortunately the MultiPlus-II 2x 120V is only 2400 watts. Way too small to be useful for a large motorhome to run both AC's from Battery and run the Microwave at the same time. And when you factor in the very hot inverter bay they will run in. They will be limited to 1700 watts or even less.
Hence the reason I am looking for 6kw or more so I can keep at least 4000w available on a very hot day when AC is really needed.

Again, requiring us to buy two with that added complexity is way to lame to make any sense. Apparently we need to find a company that builds stuff for the USA as most of these seem to be based on European specs.. No split phase in Europe I guess.

I'm confused, what's the issue with having 2 inverters? You can stack or split phase them. I run 2 inverters, it's just a couple more wires. And if heats an issue it'll be much easier to manage the heat with separate devices.

The other option is just go with a 5000w 120v and connect both legs

The issue is you're in that middle spot where you're too big for the 2x120 but too small for 2 inverters. Victron has options for 3kw, 5kw, 6kw,10kw and more. 120/240/277/230volt too.

 

[Bigbillsd]

I looked at all the Victrons and they just don't do 2 outputs on a reasonably high wattage model. Even the Quattro 10va only does one output from Battery which seems pretty lame, maybe its a European thing, not sure. I don't have the room for 2 inverters, hands down. And I don't need to add complexity just so they make more money selling more boxes. It really seems like a Victron focus's on the European market and the USA is an afterthought due to split phase being the norm. 2 inverters for that...kludge. I have found the Midnite Solar "Big Rosie" and its seems to do everything I need in a reasonable amount of space. I am still closely looking at it but so far it seems to check every box I have been able to look at. I'm sure there is something I am missing as it almost seems to good to be true at the moment. Its really odd reviews on them are scarce..

-Bill

 

[justinm001]

I looked at all the Victrons and they just don't do 2 outputs on a reasonably high wattage model. Even the Quattro 10va only does one output from Battery which seems pretty lame, maybe its a European thing, not sure. I don't have the room for 2 inverters, hands down. And I don't need to add complexity just so they make more money selling more boxes. It really seems like a Victron focus's on the European market and the USA is an afterthought due to split phase being the norm. 2 inverters for that...kludge. I have found the Midnite Solar "Big Rosie" and its seems to do everything I need in a reasonable amount of space. I am still closely looking at it but so far it seems to check every box I have been able to look at. I'm sure there is something I am missing as it almost seems to good to be true at the moment. Its really odd reviews on them are scarce..

-Bill

What do you mean "doesn't do 2 outputs from battery?" Are you talking about out2 option? If so they can be programmed to stay on when inverting, I have mine set to keep out2 as long as SoC is above 50%. This is done in veconfig. I use this for EV charging and as a buddy plug.

I run a pair of Quattro 5000s in split phase. They're 100a which allows me to run my 20kw genset to charge and pass thru. I can get 24kw out of my inverters with power assist, actually 30kw if using out2 also I think (I believe both outs are 100a). I have 6 ACs so can use 15kw when starting up.

I doubt Victron does it to make more money. Everything they do is super fair. They're by far the leader in the market and yet most equipment is same/similar priced.

Yes quite a few talk about the midnight rosie. I don't think they're used much as they're expensive and don't have an ecosystem. Also seem complicated.

 

[Bigbillsd]

I saw the programmability for out2. Thats cute. I would prefer it to always work and just to feed L2. Programming is great till a update wipes it and you're left wondering what happened. Kind of seems like that is another after thought. I am continuing to look at the big rosie as it looks Way less complicated to get me split phase and power both hots on my circuit panel. If I price out two Quattros, its basically the same price as the Rosie that provides me 7Kw (5Kw when 65C) provides 240v (if ever needed for a future induction upgrade) and is almost smaller than a single Quattro.

 

[justinm001]

I saw the programmability for out2. Thats cute. I would prefer it to always work and just to feed L2. Programming is great till a update wipes it and you're left wondering what happened. Kind of seems like that is another after thought. I am continuing to look at the big rosie as it looks Way less complicated to get me split phase and power both hots on my circuit panel. If I price out two Quattros, its basically the same price as the Rosie that provides me 7Kw (5Kw when 65C) provides 240v (if ever needed for a future induction upgrade) and is almost smaller than a single Quattro.

You can program it to be always on, they have a dedicated virtual switch option for the output. The programming is built into the inverter so updates don't affect it, its the same way you setup the charging profiles, limits, split phase and everything else. If you're trying to use out2 for your L2 you're risking overloading the neutral.

Midnight Rosie doesn't compare to a Quattro. Does the Rosie have a transfer switch at all? The Quattro has 2 transfer switches (Shore and Gen), the Multiplus has 1. The quattro is a big deal with solar because you can auto start the genset, set different charging rates, and setup to prioritize solar on one of the inputs. So say if its plugged into your home where you pay for electricity it'll forecast the solar production, your consumption and make sure there's enough room to capture all the sun while still having enough battery to last overnight. You can swap it to use gen so it'll know to turn the genny on to make sure there's enough power.

Obviously the Quattro's much larger, it has 2 inputs and 2 outputs that are 100amps each (5000w). The MP2 has 1 input but 2 outputs at 50amp.

Another huge feature is powerassist. So when you're on genny or moochdocking 15amp you can use that inverter power to boost the shore. if dual inverters you can input 15amp 120v and power 240v devices like that induction. I'll hookup my RV up to my garage 15a 120v and pull 10kw with the ACs running for 15 minutes to cool it down before I head for a trip. Same with RV parks with 30a shore.

The Midnight Rosie is good but its no where near the features of Victron. I'm not sure the quality as it hasn't been around for a while. Not sure I trust it over a Blueyetti RV5 or anything else thats new.

Size and weight is bad if you're limited but its good for quality electronics. It means they properly spaced it out to handle the heat (plus fans) and it uses quality components. A midnight rosie is like 15lbs while a quattro is like 50lbs. I took one apart and there's so much copper and metal in there causing the weight. I'm not sure what components Rosie and the others have that are missing.

 

[Bigbillsd]

You can program it to be always on, they have a dedicated virtual switch option for the output. The programming is built into the inverter so updates don't affect it, its the same way you setup the charging profiles, limits, split phase and everything else. If you're trying to use out2 for your L2 you're risking overloading the neutral.

Midnight Rosie doesn't compare to a Quattro. Does the Rosie have a transfer switch at all? The Quattro has 2 transfer switches (Shore and Gen), the Multiplus has 1. The quattro is a big deal with solar because you can auto start the genset, set different charging rates, and setup to prioritize solar on one of the inputs. So say if its plugged into your home where you pay for electricity it'll forecast the solar production, your consumption and make sure there's enough room to capture all the sun while still having enough battery to last overnight. You can swap it to use gen so it'll know to turn the genny on to make sure there's enough power.

Obviously the Quattro's much larger, it has 2 inputs and 2 outputs that are 100amps each (5000w). The MP2 has 1 input but 2 outputs at 50amp.

Another huge feature is powerassist. So when you're on genny or moochdocking 15amp you can use that inverter power to boost the shore. if dual inverters you can input 15amp 120v and power 240v devices like that induction. I'll hookup my RV up to my garage 15a 120v and pull 10kw with the ACs running for 15 minutes to cool it down before I head for a trip. Same with RV parks with 30a shore.cccc5

The Midnight Rosie is good but its no where near the features of Victron. I'm not sure the quality as it hasn't been around for a while. Not sure I trust it over a Blueyetti RV5 or anything else thats new.

Size and weight is bad if you're limited but its good for quality electronics. It means they properly spaced it out to handle the heat (plus fans) and it uses quality components. A midnight rosie is like 15lbs while a quattro is like 50lbs. I took one apart and there's so much copper and metal in there causing the weight. I'm not sure what components Rosie and the others have that are missing.

I think you are looking at the Baby Rosie? I am looking at the "Big Rosie". Its 45 lbs while using an Aluminum case to reduce its weight. Its 240v output (no overloading neutral issues, but that is interesting about the Victron) Has auto Gen Start, 120amp Charger, Power Assist (grid support mode), 7000 watts, 60 Amp, It will support 8400 surge watts for 30 MINUTES (not seconds) Max Surge is 15Kva, 14"x21x8"

Other than the transfer switch (which is already in my motorhome) it seems to support everything the Victron does, at much higher capacity with just a single unit. I haven't decided yet. I would love to be able to buy a Victron, but today they are kludge to support standard US power requirements. I read there is new stuff coming on soon, but all I can find is they might just be name changes.. Like removing the VA and replacing it with watts like most of us want to know as that is what most of us understand and consume. Nothing I own has a listing for VA, all they list is Watts.

Oh, and its built in USA! So maybe no tariffs...

 

[justinm001]

I think you are looking at the Baby Rosie? I am looking at the "Big Rosie". Its 45 lbs while using an Aluminum case to reduce its weight. Its 240v output (no overloading neutral issues, but that is interesting about the Victron) Has auto Gen Start, 120amp Charger, Power Assist (grid support mode), 7000 watts, 60 Amp, It will support 8400 surge watts for 30 MINUTES (not seconds) Max Surge is 15Kva, 14"x21x8"

Other than the transfer switch (which is already in my motorhome) it seems to support everything the Victron does, at much higher capacity with just a single unit. I haven't decided yet. I would love to be able to buy a Victron, but today they are kludge to support standard US power requirements. I read there is new stuff coming on soon, but all I can find is they might just be name changes.. Like removing the VA and replacing it with watts like most of us want to know as that is what most of us understand and consume. Nothing I own has a listing for VA, all they list is Watts.

Oh, and its built in USA! So maybe no tariffs...

$4500m. Ouch. Their website is horrible so it's hard to understand a lot of their features. In comparison a mp2 5000w is $1200 so 2 are $2400 and gives you 10kw.

Neutral overload is if you're trying to use both outputs on Victron in 120v mode. They support 50a (maybe 32a on out2) but if you have 6gauge wire like most that's all coming back on neutral, and since no breaker on neutral you can melt your wiring and set fire. Running separate neutral wiring for out2 fixes this or keeping total under 50a. This is a 120v vs 240v issue as 240v neutral only carries the unbalanced load.

The midnight rosie is only 60a which is a no go for my needs since I have 100a/240v service.

VA is the real rating of inverters, everyone else just uses watts. Commercial/industrial devices use VA.

They make 8k and 10k Victron inverters. They're only $1600

Does midnight have an entire system with MPPTs, remote access/control and everything else? This is the main selling point for Victron, you have an entire free ecosystem, they even open source most things so you can build your own CerboGX and screen. They also integrate with anything they can.

 

[mmmmmdonuts]

I have a build thread posted here that may help. I need to update it a bit now that I got about 1800W of solar on the roof as well.

 

[Bigbillsd]

$4500m. Ouch. Their website is horrible so it's hard to understand a lot of their features. In comparison a mp2 5000w is $1200 so 2 are $2400 and gives you 10kw.

Neutral overload is if you're trying to use both outputs on Victron in 120v mode. They support 50a (maybe 32a on out2) but if you have 6gauge wire like most that's all coming back on neutral, and since no breaker on neutral you can melt your wiring and set fire. Running separate neutral wiring for out2 fixes this or keeping total under 50a. This is a 120v vs 240v issue as 240v neutral only carries the unbalanced load.

The midnight rosie is only 60a which is a no go for my needs since I have 100a/240v service.

VA is the real rating of inverters, everyone else just uses watts. Commercial/industrial devices use VA.

They make 8k and 10k Victron inverters. They're only $1600

Does midnight have an entire system with MPPTs, remote access/control and everything else? This is the main selling point for Victron, you have an entire free ecosystem, they even open source most things so you can build your own CerboGX and screen. They also integrate with anything they can.

$3200 is the what I see them selling for.
Yes, their Website is Worse than Horrible. They tell me that fix is in the works.. They are still using their same website from 25 years ago and it really looks like it, I was thinking mid 1990's.
I only have 50 so 60 is fine for me.
My motorhome and most of my friends motor homes aren't commercial/Industrial so Watts are always preferred.
Those Victrons are 1600 each, two would be the same as the Big Rosie. Then no neutral issue.
Yes, that have a whole eco system. No VRM from what i can tell. I will miss that. There is some third party thing but its probably another kludge.
I am hoping Victron will get on the stick for us Non Commercial Motorhome users though and provide 48v 2x120 Quattro before I have to scrap my install this winter.
I must admit I just thought Vicrtron was the no brainier for this. But they are NRFPT for moving to 48v in my RV. Heck Bluetti seems to have really been thinking about the motorhome space. Their solution looks pretty nice if 5kw is all you need. -Bill

 

[Bigbillsd]

I have a build thread posted here that may help. I need to update it a bit now that I got about 1800W of solar on the roof as well.

I thought I read about a guy using the 6000xp in his motorhome and it wouldn't deal with 15/20/30 amp Shorepower often found at campgrounds. I am looking to have it work similar to my current setup which can handle all sorts of incoming power but cannot handle the Air Conditioning units. Being able to run them when on 15/20 amp, or both on 30amp SP with power assist would be great. Then maybe turn one AC off later to let the charger do its job bringing the batteries up to snuff.

 

[justinm001]

I thought I read about a guy using the 6000xp in his motorhome and it wouldn't deal with 15/20/30 amp Shorepower often found at campgrounds. I am looking to have it work similar to my current setup which can handle all sorts of incoming power but cannot handle the Air Conditioning units. Being able to run them when on 15/20 amp, or both on 30amp SP with power assist would be great. Then maybe turn one AC off later to let the charger do its job bringing the batteries up to snuff.

Yupp, this is exactly right. Almost all inverters are only 120v or 240v which makes sense for a house or whatever so for the 6000xp you'd need to charge the batteries with a 120v charger while it inverts. Victron can do this because it syncs 2 inverters so when on 120v it basically one passes thru power while charging the batteries and the 2nd inverter just inverts opposite phase, which basically is how power assist works.

Whats the idle consumption on that rosie? Thats my biggest concern with any inverter. My Quattro 1's are 32w but the Quattro 2's are less. I think the MP2 3000w is like 9w so 18w if you have 2 of them. I burn about 2kw per day just having the inverters on.

BTW the rosie measures its output in VA, they just say watts even though its not correct, so likely only 6400w or so.

https://www.midnitesolar.com/pdfs/Brochure,_MNROSIE7048_Series_(Rev_B).pdf

The neutral issue is just when trying to push over 50a (6000w) from 120v. If using 2 victron inverters in split phase it's a non-issue but trying to use 1 large 120v or the 2nd out as L2 it can be.

Victron should make the 2x120 in 5000w and 48v, I'm assuming they'll release this soon. They just don't understand US needs as much and since Euro is only 230v single phase they get twice the power as us in a cable. Plus euro doesn't have big RVs like us.

One thing that caught my eye was the 2 inputs/outputs on the Rosie. It would be nice if this worked like a quattro for gen options. I'm also curious on what the minimum power input is for shore. With Victron it depends on the size so my 5000w is like 13a which is super close to 15a limit on most outlets. I think its like 10a on the 3000w

There's no way I'd lose my VRM. I've been freaking out all day because yesterday I put my RV in a garage and no starlink means no internet. I forgot I took my 5g hotspot out. n On my rig I also run a bunch of Ruuvi temp sensors and use VRM to monitor those, if my fridge gets too warm VRM will email me... all for free.

 

[mmmmmdonuts]

I thought I read about a guy using the 6000xp in his motorhome and it wouldn't deal with 15/20/30 amp Shorepower often found at campgrounds. I am looking to have it work similar to my current setup which can handle all sorts of incoming power but cannot handle the Air Conditioning units. Being able to run them when on 15/20 amp, or both on 30amp SP with power assist would be great. Then maybe turn one AC off later to let the charger do its job bringing the batteries up to snuff.

Might of been my thread. I use an auto transformer to handle the 120V feed and convert it to 240V input on the generator port of the EG6000XP. I was using a chargverter at first but was extremely loud. I heard the Eco worthy version is quieter, but I am not positive.

Sungold and Eco worthy also have some newer stuff out in the off grid world that maybe good to look into as well.

 

[Bigbillsd]

Might of been my thread. I use an auto transformer to handle the 120V feed and convert it to 240V input on the generator port of the EG6000XP. I was using a chargverter at first but was extremely loud. I heard the Eco worthy version is quieter, but I am not positive.

Sungold and Eco worthy also have some newer stuff out in the off grid world that maybe good to look into as well.

The video I watched, the guy ripped out the xp6000 and put in 2 victron inverters.. He must be made of money, and he did have a LOT more space than I have.

 

[Erk326]

I believe your referring to One Strange Adventure on YouTube. He’s got to be made of money or getting it all free
Started with victron then changed to eg4 6000xp then back to a larger victron system
I’d guess he’s went thru 30 or 40k of equipment and that doesn’t include all the time and effort
Doesn’t matter what inverters he uses it still doesn’t work for him
Why?
It’s simple
He has 2400 watts of panels laying flat on the roof
It will never keep up using 3-4 times of power of what is coming in
He should stay plugged in at the rv spot they purchased
My 6000xp runs my rv perfect, but I have 5200 watts of panels

 

[Bigbillsd]

Yupp, this is exactly right. Almost all inverters are only 120v or 240v which makes sense for a house or whatever so for the 6000xp you'd need to charge the batteries with a 120v charger while it inverts. Victron can do this because it syncs 2 inverters so when on 120v it basically one passes thru power while charging the batteries and the 2nd inverter just inverts opposite phase, which basically is how power assist works.

Whats the idle consumption on that rosie? Thats my biggest concern with any inverter. My Quattro 1's are 32w but the Quattro 2's are less. I think the MP2 3000w is like 9w so 18w if you have 2 of them. I burn about 2kw per day just having the inverters on.

BTW the rosie measures its output in VA, they just say watts even though its not correct, so likely only 6400w or so.

https://www.midnitesolar.com/pdfs/Brochure,_MNROSIE7048_Series_(Rev_B).pdf

The neutral issue is just when trying to push over 50a (6000w) from 120v. If using 2 victron inverters in split phase it's a non-issue but trying to use 1 large 120v or the 2nd out as L2 it can be.

Victron should make the 2x120 in 5000w and 48v, I'm assuming they'll release this soon. They just don't understand US needs as much and since Euro is only 230v single phase they get twice the power as us in a cable. Plus euro doesn't have big RVs like us.

One thing that caught my eye was the 2 inputs/outputs on the Rosie. It would be nice if this worked like a quattro for gen options. I'm also curious on what the minimum power input is for shore. With Victron it depends on the size so my 5000w is like 13a which is super close to 15a limit on most outlets. I think its like 10a on the 3000w

There's no way I'd lose my VRM. I've been freaking out all day because yesterday I put my RV in a garage and no Starlink means no internet. I forgot I took my 5g hot spot out. n On my rig I also run a bunch of Ruuvi temp sensors and use VRM to monitor those, if my fridge gets too warm VRM will email me... all for free.

I will ask them if that 7000 watts advertised is really 7000va. That is not what I have seen, but its a good question. I watched a video last week that Victron is changing their Inverters to say Watts instead of VA some time in December.. maybe its just a silk-screening change.. who knows.

Idle consumption is 30watts, but its only one inverter so that's a plus. Your Idle consumption is 2Kwh? Geez that's what my Starlink sucks down. 80watts doing nothing, its the HP dishy. So I normally leave it off unless my Cell Router has no signal. I'm looking at replacing it with the mini to lower the power consumption going forward so I can leave it on 24x7.
I am still trying to hammer down the Genny Input as my Onan only provides 2x120v, not 240v.
I was told it will handle 120v 15 amp input circuits and will create 240v from that and will assist with battery power to make up the difference if something is on and requires more amps, like an Air conditioner.

I believe your referring to One Strange Adventure on YouTube. He’s got to be made of money or getting it all free
Started with victron then changed to eg4 6000xp then back to a larger victron system
I’d guess he’s went thru 30 or 40k of equipment and that doesn’t include all the time and effort
Doesn’t matter what inverters he uses it still doesn’t work for him
Why?
It’s simple
He has 2400 watts of panels laying flat on the roof
It will never keep up using 3-4 times of power of what is coming in
He should stay plugged in at the rv spot they purchased
My 6000xp runs my rv perfect, but I have 5200 watts of panels

Yes, that was the video I referred too.. I understand the solar production power situation, today I would just turn on the genny while boondocking to charge up the batts when needed. But 2400 watts lying flat is still a lot of power for an RV. My 1600 watts will put out ~1200 watts for a few hours a day 10:30 - 2:30 then it slows way done. I would expect 1800 watts from his solar that few hours a day. I think he only has 15Kwh of battery. I would think he can get 4Kwh of power into those on a good day. Looks like the genny might be able to put in close to 7Kwh @ 120a per hour if using the Big Rosie charger. I was looking at batteries costs vs what I paid 8 years ago. Today I can buy 40Kwh of battery for the same amount I paid for 8Kwh then.
In regards to the XP6000, how do you handle the 50 amp shore power only sending 3000 watts on each leg (1/2 the available power from the shore power) He also mentioned an issue connecting it with 15, 20 and 30 amp shore power. For us in an RV we travel in that would be an issue. We plan on hitting lots of campgrounds in Canada next year and getting anything bigger than 30 amp was few and far between last time, and only 15 amp plugs way way to common far from big cities there. What are you doing for a neutral bond when inverting vs shore power.

 

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Bluetti Apex 300.
Expand with any compatible non-OEM battery and/or easily plug inanother Apex for more power, use it wherever you would like and quit convincing yourself that 'one is fun' (rather than none) in terms of powering anything reliably no matter what via a single fixed Victron system (or better yet do both).
That little box in a 50A RV will have your head spinning in terms of options (especially with its OEM add-ons) versus DIY building anything similar/simply calling it a day.