Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of locally produced goods to buy since production was offshored
Port shutdown shortages?
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dopeassjackson
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Lol your not taking into consideration the 23% CPI for the last 3yrs...so yes all that has to be high yet your buying power is down. Meaning all those numbers (high stocks and home value) but there not unless you got a 30% raise in income.
Rednecktek
Expert Newbie
Wanna hear some real irony?
My job title is Reefer
On my payroll voucher it says "Position: Reefer"
I'm allergic to Marijuana... anaphalactic shock..
WTF!?!?
Rednecktek
Expert Newbie
So what brands are actually made in the USA for solar panels, LFP cells, BMS's, inverters, charge controllers, etc?Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of locally produced goods to buy since production was offshored
Let's tarrif those so people buy 'Murican!
Yes, home values are at an all time high, which is why someone earning 120k a year can't buy a home.
Tulex
Solar Wizard
It will be a short blip. They are going to want to move product once it starts coming back in. Now, if China stops producing because of this, that's a different story. But chances are they won't because they need to keep people working.
Brucey
Solar Wizard
Midnite Solar Rosie inverter/charger, hawkes bay and Barcelona and classic SCCs, and their SPDs are built in the USA in Arlington, Washington State.
Guaranteed to have globally sourced parts. We simply don't make all the silicon stuff here.
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
Stuff from China comes via West Coast ports, which are not directly affected by the strike. Indirectly, a lot of stuff may get diverted from East/Gulf coast ports to the West Coast. But, the Panama Canal is having its problems.
Fortunately, Oil Terminal workers are on a different contract, and refineries can keep producing.
Fresh fruits and vegetables will run out first.
Fortunately, Oil Terminal workers are on a different contract, and refineries can keep producing.
Fresh fruits and vegetables will run out first.
Rednecktek
Expert Newbie
So even with the tarrifs it'll still be cheaper to buy anything else.
Brucey
Solar Wizard
Well yes, it's not possible to have every part sourced from US.
But they do so to the extent possible.
They have a heritage of building in the USA since back in the 70's:
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MidNite Solar is the industry leader and manufacture of quality Renewable Energy System electrical components and E-Panels.
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"However, parts come from all over. Raw PCBs come from China or Taiwan. Aluminum castings come from China and Thailand.
FETs come from anywhere but not China. Electrolytics come from China and the best capacitor manufacturer in the world.
Resistors and small caps ? Not sure where but a lot I am sure come from China.
Connectors... Not sure but the Classic terminal block is made here in Arlington from plastic made in China and square terminals from I don't know where.
That's the short story. But we actually build things here as well as population of the PCBs and testing etc."
New Inverter Production Line Facility at Midnite Solar
New Inverter Production Line Facility at Midnite Solar
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Mattb4
Solar addict
Must say I am astounded that one of the major Union's demands is no new Port automation equipment. No robotic handling cranes and transports. I guess they are worried that the jobs will disappear. Reminds me a bit about when Self Service gas stations became popular, and to protect Service Station Attendants jobs, the State of Oregon made it illegal for self serve fuel pumping. Do not know if that is still the case there but it was pretty ridiculous and meant for higher pump prices to pay for it all.
The world changes and a lot of professions have become obsolete. What once took dozens of men to accomplish can now be done with a machine. How society incorporates the need for gainful employment with everything done by computers is an ongoing project.
The world changes and a lot of professions have become obsolete. What once took dozens of men to accomplish can now be done with a machine. How society incorporates the need for gainful employment with everything done by computers is an ongoing project.
HarryN
Solar Addict
Maybe that is why your solar trickle charger for your vehicle doesn't work ?
Not really when you consider the alternative to relatively well paying union jobs & how expensive basic living costs are in major cities - not just the USA. Port workers in Barcelona fought & won a similar battle a few years ago but rents there are killing odinary working folks.
Q-Dog
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Protecting jobs is kinda what unions do.
That is no different than the screen actor's guild asking for assurances they wouldn't be replaced with AI on future projects.
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
Using AI to reproduce someone's likeness is much different from using a robot to perform work that a person use to do.
Replacing a buggy with a car is inevitable. The union is going to lose on "no automation", and by striking, has accelerated the adoption of new technology. Management offered 50%. If that included "no automation" they should have taken it. Or countered with the 70% raise they asked for, and allow automation.
The only thing inevitable is death, everything else is a choice.
Mattb4
Solar addict
Yes SI (Simulated intelligence) is beginning to eliminate the need for much of humanity. Not sure how the next generation will earn a living.
I do not see that an artificial line can be drawn on you can use all these labor saving devices but not new ones that come along. After all Longshoremen no longer use man power to lift and lower cargo from the ships.
Q-Dog
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is it really? Strictly from a jobs standpoint they are the same in that they both eliminate someone's job.
And I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just that is what unions do.
AI and automation is changing the working landscape. My last job before retiring was working for a manufacturer of fuel bundles for nuclear reactors and before that the manufacturing of rotating parts of jet engines. In both cases I witnessed more product going out the door with a smaller work force as the use of AI and automation was accelerating. I was involved in the automation of the manufacturing process in both cases. These are good paying jobs that are being lost but good for corporate profits and the share holders. As AI and automation becomes more prevalent I wonder what's going to happen to the human race. My hope is for a new renaissance period but I have my doubts.
Peace
Peace
DIYrich
Solar Wizard
Using AI to replace an Actor with an AI likeness of the Actor is like using a copier to copy a book, rather than buying it. The actor has rights to their image.
If you use AI to create an entirely fictional character without infringing on the Rights of a living person (as opposed to copying someone who died 500 years ago), then have at it.
42OhmsPA
What's in a title?
Has this been discussed?
altenergy21
New Member
I blame the government creating debts and trade deficits. This allows foreign companies to buy up the ports.
EastTexCowboy
Solar Wizard
Short term, probably some kind of concession. Long term two paths - bring manufacturing back here so we don't need as many dockworkers, and automate. The first needs to happen. The second is going to happen no matter how much they fight it.
altenergy21
New Member
This never happens because politics is tied up with social justice, racism, gender issues, AOC, Russia, Ukraine, Covid, etc.
EastTexCowboy
Solar Wizard
Then maybe we need to get rid of DEI and woke agendas and get a handle on foreign policy. Maybe also get a handle on the many federal agencies that push all this garbage. But we're drifting pretty hard towards political discussion, which probably needs to be in the Chit Chat section.
Back to the whole port shutdown issue, if it goes on very long it's going to have a serious impact on the supply chain. Regarding the union boss who threatens to cripple the whole country, my opinion is that I no longer have any sympathy for those people. I don't believe all the dock workers want to cripple the country but they're letting their leader do it so they should be prepared to accept the consequences. I believe that their demand to have no automation will only cause management to do everything in their power to automate down the road after this mess passes. Practically speaking, there's no way to stop the march of progress and technology. It's going to happen eventually no matter what they do.
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