Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.

MurphyGuy

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For people who think morality is objective they will often search for absolutes, black and white boxes where they can neatly sort everything in their lives to keep their worldview intact and orderly. Life is messy, not knowing something with certainty is reality, striving to understand and uncover more as you seek to narrow down possibilities is the essence of open minded scientific inquiry.
You are of course correct.. but but but....

Reading the bible is so much easier... requires less effort.. And instead of having to expend effort to seek and search for the knowledge, it is usually forced into most from the day of their birth. The bible comes with social events, games, food and candy.

Earning scientific knowledge through hard work and study is lonely.. social events are extremely rare, and there is no food or candy.
 

Cdkipp

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You'd best stick to electrical engineering and let big Pharma do what it knows best : screw over the little guy while making a fortune.
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Pfizer's latest earnings report notes that Comirnaty profits are split 50-50 with BioNTech. The companies expect the vaccine to bring in revenues of approximately $15 billion in 2021. Pfizer and BioNTech plan to supply up to 1.3 billion doses of the vaccine worldwide by the end of 2021.

Moderna noted in its fourth quarter earnings report that it expects $18.4 billion in anticipated product sales related to advanced purchased agreements for its vaccine.
What is the fact they are making money supposed to prove? As usual, what is your point? I thought you were the big capitalist here, calling everyone socialists and communists. Now you are upset they are making money?

Perhaps their strategy was to utilize cutting-edge technology to quickly bring a vaccine to market that worked AND make money. Wouldn't that be weird?
 

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What is the fact they are making money supposed to prove? As usual, what is your point? I thought you were the big capitalist here, calling everyone socialists and communists. Now you are upset they are making money?

Perhaps their strategy was to utilize cutting-edge technology to quickly bring a vaccine to market that worked AND make money. Wouldn't that be weird?
There's no way they did that man.... what kind of for-profit company would ever dream of bringing a product to market to solve a problem and make a profit? Who would think such a thing? What is wrong with you? (ROFLMAO)
 

Hedges

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Interested in your views on ultrasound being required before abortion or forced birth due to the lack of abortion options. Also, you act like a vaccine has never been required before?

Well, I don't believe life begins at conception.
I believe life never begins. It only ends.
The sperm cells split off from other living cells. The eggs were a living part of the woman before she was born.
The unborn child is a human, doesn't become human only after taking a first breath of air, or after developing to the point of being able to obtain oxygen from its lungs and food from its digestive tract rather than from the placenta.

I believe birth control is preferable to abortion. Some people oppose birth control.
Obviously, an ectopic pregnancy must be terminated. The unborn was going to die anyway. Why kill the mother?
Beyond those two, "It's complicated"

Smallpox killed 30% who caught it.
Inoculation with smallpox bacteria under the skin created immunity, but killed 1%
Vaccination with cowpox provide immunity and was approximately 0% lethal. (Cowpox, Vaca meaning cow, therefore vaccination.)

In a Smallpox epidemic I could consider mandatory vaccination.
With Covid, the vaccinated 80 year old with same risk as unvaccinated 50 year old should wear a mask. I would suggest an actual respirator with screw-on filters. Exhalation valve is acceptable. Only go to the store when necessary. If an outbreak is occurring in the area, have delivery instead.
 

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I see. So 750,000 dead (many more to come) I cannot be troubled to get a shot. With a 30% mortality rate, I will consider getting a shot. Got ya.
 

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I believe birth control is preferable to abortion. Some people oppose birth control.
Interesting parallel to covid. Many do prefer prevention. Maybe it works out. Then there is the desperation for some at the end.

Nobody starts the evening date wanting an abortion. Nobody mingles with friends expects to be on a ventilator either.
 

Cdkipp

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Interesting parallel to covid. Many do prefer prevention. Maybe it works out. Then there is the desperation for some at the end.

Nobody starts the evening date wanting an abortion. Nobody mingles with friends expects to be on a ventilator either.
He finds a shot too physically intrusive, yet he is fine with women being forced to have intravaginal ultrasounds before getting an abortion or the state requiring a woman to go through the birthing process even when due to rape and incest. He is also saying if a disease killed 102 million Americans he would consider getting a shot. He isn’t sure.
 

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I also find it interesting if a doctor in TX helps with an abortion there is a 10K bounty.... how about locating the father to support the child? Crickets.

Likewise the vaccine companies are the bad guys for making profits on the shot while a typical covid hospital stay costs $51,000 to $78,000 is OK. Somebody pays either way.
 

Hedges

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He finds a shot too physically intrusive ...

Please quote my quotes precisely, with quotation marks.
Don't say what I think or approve of, if it is your words not mine.
 

Hedges

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I also am aware that the most prolific abortionist of all time is Jehovah himself (for those who believe in such beings.)
100,000,000 time a year, a woman's body spontaneously miscarries, because there was a problem with the pregnancy.
Other pregnancies are carried to term even when there are serious problems, for instance such that the infant isn't viable at birth.
 

Hedges

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I see. So 750,000 dead (many more to come) I cannot be troubled to get a shot. With a 30% mortality rate, I will consider getting a shot. Got ya.

I don't think 8 billion people on earth should all be required to get vaccinated to save 800,000 (0.01%)
For the case of Smallpox, to save 2,400,000,000 it would be more reasonable. Or maybe only needed in communities where Smallpox is present, to save the 30% who would die there.

How do you feel about the flu shot? flu has killed far more over the decades. Should all people on earth be required to get that vaccine, even against their will?

How about those who are at higher risk can take greater precautions?
Since this is an airborne virus, how about just voluntary wearing of masks, with exhalation valves allowed? Anyone who wants to protect themselves in public, can.
Hospitals, care homes, other employers could of course have employment requirements. Employment at will, it only occurs if both employer and employee agree. That is freedom.
 

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There is a free E-book that includes an interview with Dr Robert Malone that anyone who wants to be more informed should read ..... He is the guy who actually invented mRNA vaccines .... so, a lot of the technical stuff went over my head..... He is explaining the reasons for some of the complications from the vaccine that are being reported. Overall it's pretty eye opening.

I might be able to attach the pdf file, but don't know if it would be legal for me to do that ..... so, here is a link where it can be downloaded.

 

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Reading the bible is so much easier... requires less effort.. (sarcasm, condescension) And instead of having to expend effort to seek and search for the knowledge, it is usually forced into most from the day of their birth. The bible comes with social events, games, food and candy.

Earning scientific knowledge through hard work and study is lonely.. social events are extremely rare, and there is no food or candy.
2 Corinthians 4:4

You have been blinded to understand what God is trying to make super simple to understand in the BIble.

We are all rotten and need to be forgiven.

You are blind to how complex everything is.
Scientists still are trying to understand how our immune system works, and you think we evolved from an algae pool ?
There is zero chance we evolved without an intelligent designer, and you need to figure out who did it.
Your faith to believe that fairy story (evolution) takes way more belief in the supernatural than me knowing that God created us.
 

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2 Corinthians 4:4

You have been blinded to understand what God is trying to make super simple to understand in the BIble.

We are all rotten and need to be forgiven.

You are blind to how complex everything is.
Scientists still are trying to understand how our immune system works, and you think we evolved from an algae pool ?
There is zero chance we evolved without an intelligent designer, and you need to figure out who did it.
Your faith to believe that fairy story (evolution) takes way more belief in the supernatural than me knowing that God created us.
I'm sorry, I'm confused.

Which god? There have been something like 10,000 of them throughout history.. and while I'm sure you think the one you picked, or more accurately, the one picked for you, is the one true god, everyone else thinks the same thing. What makes your god special?

Judging by your quote of the Christian bible, how do you feel about your god endorsing slavery?
Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.


I'll bet I know your religion and your bible better than you do...

But let me ask you a question... do you believe you choose to pick your religion? Or do you think it was picked and forced upon you?
 

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IMHO: Omicron variant may make Covid-19 Vaccine unnecessary. It's mild and fast spreading. Might initiate a natural immune response. Might contribute to herd immunity.
After all, milk maids who had Cow Pox nursed Small Pox patients and did not contract it.
 

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I'm sorry, I'm confused.

Which god? There have been something like 10,000 of them throughout history.. and while I'm sure you think the one you picked, or more accurately, the one picked for you, is the one true god, everyone else thinks the same thing. What makes your god special?

Judging by your quote of the Christian bible, how do you feel about your god endorsing slavery?
Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.


I'll bet I know your religion and your bible better than you do...

But let me ask you a question... do you believe you choose to pick your religion? Or do you think it was picked and forced upon you?
Dont fall for the bait, this guy is a gish galloper, he will ignore all of your points and twist one word or phrase and go off on a made up point pretending you said it.
 

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We all want society to open up, how about a compromise?

If any one want to refuse the free vaccine, against the advise of experts, then be consistent and refuse hospitalization for the virus. Go home self isolate for 2 weeks, take loads of vitamin C, a horse dewormer, shine uv light up your intestines, drink bleach, pray to your god(s), have chicken soup, or whatever you want. You have a 97% chance of surviving it and even if you don't believe any of it, hospitals can get back to treating people.
 

Shale MacGregor

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We all want society to open up, how about a compromise?

If any one want to refuse the free vaccine, against the advise of experts, then be consistent and refuse hospitalization for the virus. Go home self isolate for 2 weeks, take loads of vitamin C, a horse dewormer, shine uv light up your intestines, drink bleach, pray to your god(s), have chicken soup, or whatever you want. You have a 97% chance of surviving it and even if you don't believe any of it, hospitals can get back to treating people.
It seems like a fair compromise but we've all seen the deniers who have repented on their sick bed. It also doesn't account for the people they spread it to or the variant proliferation.
 

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Isn't there a law that puts people in a safe place when they are a danger to themselves or the community?
Let's start with the politicians, they seem like the biggest danger to the community.
 

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IMHO: Omicron variant may make Covid-19 Vaccine unnecessary. It's mild and fast spreading. Might initiate a natural immune response. Might contribute to herd immunity.
After all, milk maids who had Cow Pox nursed Small Pox patients and did not contract it.
Preliminary evidence suggests there may be an increased risk of reinfection with Omicron (ie, people who have previously had COVID-19 could become reinfected more easily with Omicron), as compared to other variants of concern, but information is limited. More information on this will become available in the coming days and weeks.

 
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