Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.

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In Ontario, 23,045,461 vaccine doses have been administered. 90.0% of Ontarians 12+ have one dose and 87.2% have two doses. 291 people are hospitalized with #COVID19, 241 are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status and 50 are fully vaccinated.

San Francisco is close to 90% and has only 21 hospitalized patients right now.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, the argument is as follows; "the CDC is not releasing data and therefore the vaccine is more dangerous for you then covid"

In the US, nearly 50 million have had covid, with 805,284 recorded deaths. About 4 times the number of people are fully vaccinated. Now if the risk was higher we would expect to see more then 4 times the number of deaths among the vaccinated and the Biden administration is competent enough to hide those 3 million deaths from the eyes of the public?
 

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Aside from all that odd and unbelievable stuff, the article is only about international travel.
Yes my concern is wanting to travel internationally and the destination requires an instantly verifiable document to show covid vaccination.
The party of NO will stop this from happening because it violates our freedom.
 

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Yes my concern is wanting to travel internationally and the destination requires an instantly verifiable document to show covid vaccination.
The party of NO will stop this from happening because it violates our freedom.
Depending on what you're willing to do, most countries allow one to quarantine for 10-14 days after a negative pcr test regardless of Vaccination status or accepted vaccine. Which is obviously and inconvenience, but also a way to travel without verifiable vaccination. How is quarantine defined? Might be different in different countries...
 

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The page I posted is one of the 91 pages the FDA has released so far .... It's hard to put it in context because for some reason, they redacted the page before that one that showed how how many vaccines had been administered at that time .... but it was part of the documentation Pfizer submitted to the FDA for the approval process ... and the FDA had it for over 3 months before they did the approval.
I really don't understand why the FDA would redact the information that would put this chart in context ..... none of the reasons that come to mind are good.

So ... If you don't want to accept the data ... that is fine with me ..... If you do some research, you can probably validate this for yourself instead of off handedly dismissing it like anything else you guys find inconvenient.
If the outlets where you get your news doesn't have any of this information .... you might want to ask yourself why.

I won't engage any further concerning this ..... just wanted to post this for anyone that might actually be interested in information.
yup, good job ignoring everything I said about your incomplete and inaccurate information. Cool! We don't have context, so lets take your interpretation and assume they are hiding something! Rock on! They discontinued inoculating people in 1976 because 1 person had died of the flu and 25 or 32 had died potentially related to the vaccination of 100 million... apples to apples for sure!
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, the argument is as follows; "the CDC is not releasing data and therefore the vaccine is more dangerous for you then covid"

In the US, nearly 50 million have had covid, with 805,284 recorded deaths. About 4 times the number of people are fully vaccinated. Now if the risk was higher we would expect to see more then 4 times the number of deaths among the vaccinated and the Biden administration is competent enough to hide those 3 million deaths from the eyes of the public?
No you pretty much have it right. You just forgot to add "covid is a myth!" "no one gets flu anymore!!" "dying in a motorcycle crash is caused by covid!!" and "the government is hiding the true data from us because big pharma initiated Biden in the Illuminati membership and they are taking over!!"
 

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The page I posted is one of the 91 pages the FDA has released so far .... It's hard to put it in context because for some reason, they redacted the page before that one that showed how how many vaccines had been administered at that time .... but it was part of the documentation Pfizer submitted to the FDA for the approval process ... and the FDA had it for over 3 months before they did the approval.
I really don't understand why the FDA would redact the information that would put this chart in context ..... none of the reasons that come to mind are good.

So ... If you don't want to accept the data ... that is fine with me ..... If you do some research, you can probably validate this for yourself instead of off handedly dismissing it like anything else you guys find inconvenient.
If the outlets where you get your news doesn't have any of this information .... you might want to ask yourself why.

I won't engage any further concerning this ..... just wanted to post this for anyone that might actually be interested in information.
All trade secrets and patient information get redacted. The major studies summaries and charts are part of the approval record. Any information underlying these studies needs to be reviewed and any legally privileged, trade secret, and patient identification information needs to be redacted. Remember these trials are done with humans all with their own personal health information. That information needs to be protected. Business as usual. No conspiracy. Sorry Bob.
 

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All trade secrets and patient information get redacted. The major studies summaries and charts are part of the approval record. Any information underlying these studies needs to be reviewed and any legally privileged, trade secret, and patient identification information needs to be redacted. Remember these trials are done with humans all with their own personal health information. That information needs to be protected. Business as usual. No conspiracy. Sorry Bob.
Anytime anything is potentially inconclusive, or incomplete, that means they can fill in the gaps with their own conclusions. Do you know nothing about the scientific method?!?
 

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All trade secrets and patient information get redacted. The major studies summaries and charts are part of the approval record. Any information underlying these studies needs to be reviewed and any legally privileged, trade secret, and patient identification information needs to be redacted. Remember these trials are done with humans all with their own personal health information. That information needs to be protected. Business as usual. No conspiracy. Sorry Bob.
Alright now I don’t know what talking point Bob was regurgitating. I thought he was in the FDA hiding Pfizer I for kick. So many conspiracy theories. So little time.
 

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Anytime anything is potentially inconclusive, or incomplete, that means they can fill in the gaps with their own conclusions. Do you know nothing about the scientific method?!?
I am learning about their specific brand of “scientific method”. Edited for typo.
 
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Depending on what you're willing to do, most countries allow one to quarantine for 10-14 days after a negative pcr test regardless of Vaccination status or accepted vaccine. Which is obviously and inconvenience, but also a way to travel without verifiable vaccination. How is quarantine defined? Might be different in different countries...
My daughter and sister were recently planning a trip.... could not risk the delay of return due to possible quarantine.
I believe the passport would have helped. Can't have that due to restricting our freedom.
 

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Nobody seems to ever discuss the alternative to carrying a proof of vax card, but rather a proof of antibodies card also being a valid method to walk with the vaxxed without them complaining. Or would they still complain and say it's not good enough?
 

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Alright now I don’t know what talking point Bob was regurgitating. I thought he was in the FDA hiding Pfizer I for kick. So many conspiracy theories. So little time.
He regurgitated the swine flu vaccine causing 25 deaths because it was a common tactic early during vaccination to claim that was the reason why they stopped vaccinations. In reality it was the 1976 swine flu not the 2009, and they stopped because only 1 person died and the flu was all but a non-issue. 2009 had way more infected, but a very low rate of death, so again pales in comparison to COVID. But screw it, the numbers sound good out of context and we can claim thousands have died of COVID vaccine due to incomplete information, so lets try to undermine things and keep this pandemic train rolling!!! CHOOOO CHOOOO!
 

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Nobody seems to ever discuss the alternative to carrying a proof of vax card, but rather a proof of antibodies card also being a valid method to walk with the vaxxed without them complaining.
Sure, once you get vaccinated since your antibodies seem to wane from infection after 6-8 months? Proof of booster will be required too.
 

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Nobody seems to ever discuss the alternative to carrying a proof of vax card, but rather a proof of antibodies card also being a valid method to walk with the vaxxed without them complaining.
That would require testing every one, even more bureaucracy.

Maybe Biden should make a vaccine passport mandatory for voting?
 
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