Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.

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Mono-clonol antibody treatment reduces hospitalization by 70% and I would combine ivermectin, zinc, vit C & D and quercetin with this.
If you are high-risk, vaccination may be called for. It should never be mandated.

Just found out KY, TN and one other state made it illegal to ask for your vaccine status.
And with these thoughts many more will not see the other side. Primarily it will be the unvaccinated.
 

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I do find it odd that mono-clonol antibodies are accepted as safe vs. the experimental vaccine.
I personally prefer that my own system produces the antibodies.
 

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And with these thoughts many more will not see the other side. Primarily it will be the unvaccinated.
You are assuming ivermectin doesn't work. Based on what ? Pfizer told you so ? The FDA ? The government ? LOL
But this forum is full of backers of Big Pharma. I remember when it was republicans that were the defenders of Big Business.
Things have flip-flopped in recent years.
Now republicans are the defenders of the middle class and dems are in bed with corporations and China.
 

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The VAST majority of people that are afflicted with sars-cov-2 make full recovery, doing nothing than what they would normally do. Aside from the proportions of this, one can be thankful for that at least.
 

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You are assuming ivermectin doesn't work. Based on what ? Pfizer told you so ? The FDA ? The government ? LOL
But this forum is full of backers of Big Pharma. I remember when it was republicans that were the defenders of Big Business.
Things have flip-flopped in recent years.
Now republicans are the defenders of the middle class and dems are in bed with corporations and China.
I assume nothing about ivermectin. My statement is based on the reality we live in that is happening every single day.
The primary option to increase the chances to see the other side of this is to be vaccinated.

Over 1,000 people died yesterday from this. Could have been a lot less with more vaccinations. That is the real world today.

Nothing to do with politics.
Nothing to do with the FDA.
Nothing to do with Dems or Reps.
Nothing to do with China or big business.

You can blame all the deep state institutions you don't like. And many will be dead right about their convictions. For those that want to fight another day.... get vaccinated.
 

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You are assuming ivermectin doesn't work. Based on what ? Pfizer told you so ? The FDA ? The government ? LOL
But this forum is full of backers of Big Pharma. I remember when it was republicans that were the defenders of Big Business.
Things have flip-flopped in recent years.
Now republicans are the defenders of the middle class and dems are in bed with corporations and China.
I am no defender of Big Pharma or the American health care system. Vaccines have been reviewed and approved by scientists in every country. There is nothing pr4oving Ivermectin works? That is the standard that applies. Not "show me that it doesn't work". You have it back assward solely for political purposes.
 

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Take a good look :
Florida has been pushing getting an early mono-clonal antibody shot if you catch Covid and almost no one is dying.



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You can blame all the deep state institutions you don't like. And many will be dead right about their convictions. For those that want to fight another day.... get vaccinated.
The propaganda has worked and it's killed hundreds of thousands. Biden came out today endorsing mono-clonal antibody shots, because he doesn't want Desantis to get credit for it.
Either way, maybe the worst is over and we can get back to normal.
 

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The propaganda has worked and it's killed hundreds of thousands. Biden came out today endorsing mono-clonal antibody shots, because he doesn't want Desantis to get credit for it.
Either way, maybe the worst is over and we can get back to normal.
You are not an astute man. Who is filling your head with this garbage?
 

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The propaganda has worked and it's killed hundreds of thousands. Biden came out today endorsing mono-clonal antibody shots, because he doesn't want Desantis to get credit for it.
Either way, maybe the worst is over and we can get back to normal.
Florida has the 9th highest deaths per million in the US. They have the 14th highest level of cases per million population.
 

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Take a good look :
Florida has been pushing getting an early mono-clonal antibody shot if you catch Covid and almost no one is dying.



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So yes everyone go get monoclonal antibodies if you get sick and are at high risk but first get your vaccine. Both of those have been CDC and NIH recommendations since late 2020. And both are big pharma solutions,
 

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The propaganda has worked and it's killed hundreds of thousands. Biden came out today endorsing mono-clonal antibody shots, because he doesn't want Desantis to get credit for it.
Either way, maybe the worst is over and we can get back to normal.
BMcl is now big pharma. Go BMcl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The propaganda has worked and it's killed hundreds of thousands. Biden came out today endorsing mono-clonal antibody shots, because he doesn't want Desantis to get credit for it.
Either way, maybe the worst is over and we can get back to normal.
DeSantis's "plan" of taking no preventative measures against Covid and instead encouraging sick people to seek Monoclonal antibodies triggered a searingly high infection rate and hospital crisis. It also triggered a national shortage of monoclonal antibodies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/14/monoclonal-antibodies-shortage/
 

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The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)

If a plumber with a lifetime of experience were to tell you that water runs uphill, you would know he is lying and that the lie is not accidental.
It is a lie with a purpose. ...

One of the most common reasons given for mass COVID vaccinations is the idea that if we reach herd immunity through vaccination, we can starve the virus out of existence and get our lives back. It's the COVID-Zero strategy or some variant of it.

By now it is abundantly clear from the epidemiological data that the vaccinated are able to both catch and spread the disease. Clearly vaccination isn't going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become.

But a tour through pre-COVID science demonstrates that, from day one, long before you and I had even heard of this virus, it was 100% inevitable and 100% predictable that these vaccines would never be capable of eradicating this coronavirus and would never lead to any kind of lasting herd immunity. Even worse, lockdowns and mass vaccination have created a dangerous set of circumstances that interferes with our immune system's ability to protect us against other respiratory viruses. They also risk driving the evolution of this virus towards mutations that are more dangerous to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. Lockdowns, mass vaccinations, and mass booster shots were never capable of delivering on any of the promises that were made to the public.

And yet, vaccination has been successfully used to control measles and even to eradicate smallpox. So, why not COVID? ...

This Deep Dive exposes why, from day one, the promise of COVID-Zero can only ever have been a deliberately dishonest shell game designed to prey on a lack of public understanding of how our immune systems work and on how most respiratory viruses differ from other viruses that we routinely vaccinate against. ...

... As this story unfolds it will become clear that the one-two punch of lockdowns and the promise of vaccines as an exit strategy began as a cynical marketing ploy to coerce us into a never-ending regimen of annual booster shots intentionally designed to replace the natural "antivirus security updates" against respiratory viruses that come from hugs and handshakes and from children laughing together at school. We are being played for fools.

This is not to say that there aren't plenty of other opportunists taking advantage of this crisis to pursue other agendas and to tip society into a full-blown police state. One thing quickly morphs into another. …

So, let's dive into the fascinating world of immune systems, viruses, and vaccines, layer by layer, to dispel the myths and false expectations that have been created by deceitful public health officials, pharmaceutical lobbyists, and media manipulators. What emerges as the lies are peeled apart is both surprising and more than a little alarming.

Hey BMcL, I finally made it through that entire article, it was a long read and I hope others would actually have the courage, open-mindedness, and patience to read through the entire thing prior to making any judgements about its contents.

My heart has known all this stuff the whole time and unconsciously guiding me on this path constantly ever since the onset of this fiasco, but this Julius brings it together in a logical way with facts and references. His speech almost made me cry by the end, it was better than William Wallaces Freedom Speech in Braveheart. :geek:
 
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You are not an astute man. Who is filling your head with this garbage?
BMcL - I'm impressed with how well you hold up against these programmed bots who know nothing other than to believe what they're told to believe, and preach it to others. You've got them down to personal insults now. I gave up on wasting time on this thread and glance at it only occasionally. Here's a good summary that cuts through the BS:
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I'm just simple (perhaps could call me a simpleton of sorts), but I prefer to live simply and not clutter my thoughts with all the extra steps everyone says I need in order to live a happy and fulfilled life.
Its interesting/funny how the same basic logic or disposition can lead different people to different actions/perspectives, your reasoning is roughly the same reasoning that led me to getting vaccinated without much hesitation. Its just the simplest thing to do, and I preferred not to overstress about the decision or devote the mental bandwidth to it.

It was the simplest reasonable approach (in my estimation), and the action recommended by the medical/public health officials that I trust and outsource medical expertise to. I wasn't interested in playing armchair epidemiologist/medical researcher with the Covid Vaccine anymore than I was with Tetanus or Diptheria or Hepatitis, partially because I am well aware that I am a not-qualified to do so, and partially because it just seemed like a lot of time & effort that could be more fruitfully directed to other things in my life. In my calculation, it just wasn't/isn't worth the time and effort for me personally to second guess the medical industry, even though emotionally I can understand many of the reasons that covid-vax-hesitant (not full on anti-vax) people are fearful/nervous about something that feels new and uncertain and unknown to them.

Public health officials the world over recommended vaccination, medical researchers the world over believe to the best of their knowledge that the vaccine is reasonably safe and represents the lesser risk. I could spend 100's of hours doing my own "research" or 1000's of hours of real research (beginning with the fundamentals of biology, medicine, epidemiology, and medical research before even approaching anything related to Covid), to try to become a pseudo-expert, but then that sounds like a lot of work, just to maybe get to the level of basic understanding/fluency in the field.

To me the simplest approach was to trust people I trust with my health in every other situation, doctors, nurses, public health officials, etc. Not trust them to never be wrong, not trust them to be all knowing about a new virus, not trust them to not make mistakes and missteps, not trust a profit driven healthcare system or pharmaceutical industry that I disliked before and dislike still, but trust that experts and public health officials as a whole, medical researchers that have devoted their career/lives to this field, have a hell of a better chance of getting things right than I do, or you do, or some youtuber, or blogger, or Gwyneth Paltrow/Joe Rogan does, or even any one or two or three lone doctors or medical researchers.

I don't fault or judge anyone for wanting to be in control of their health, their wellness, their body, and I definitely don't judge anyone for a strategy of health that begins with living a healthy and active lifestyle that is the foundation of good health, or for wanting to be informed about what they put in their body, or about the decisions about their bodies. What I do judge people for is how unequally their 'skepticism' or rejection of expertise/experts is applied to this situation versus the thousands of other ways it touches their lives, and how vulnerable so many people seem to be to manipulation/misinformation from low quality sources (both receiving and spreading it), and how willing people seem to be to discount a whole field when it conflicts with their politics or worldview, but at the same time be willing to so uncritically believe and repeat random things they read/hear/watch on the internet with virtually no due-diligence/criticism and without applying anywhere near the same bar of skepticism they would apply to something they disagree with, just because it supports their biases/worldview.

And I do definitely judge those who think of themselves as 'not a sheep' 'open-minded/critical thinkers/skeptics' when it comes to issues they want to reject or are preconditioned to disagree with, without the recognition that they take hundreds of actions/make hundreds of decisions a day based on expert derived information that they accept uncritically without thought or question, and only become 'open minded' on topics that conflict with their worldview (climate science and vaccines are great illustrations of this). (these last few paragraph are not in any way intended to be directed at you, or anyone in particular by the way, just my thoughts messily tumbling out).

If I do die of a future variant of Covid, then I guess I'll see you on the other side bro... For now, happy trails 🤟
Depending on which other side we talking about, I'm not sure I'm allowed in :). From what I gather, lots of those other sides are members only clubs. I do fervently hope that some kind of reincarnation is a thing though, that sounds really cool! And I suppose I got pretty good at sneaking into places in my teenage years/20's so there is a chance I'll see ya there.
 
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The idea is to live long enough to get through this.... so that you can tell the story.
Today over 1000 will not have a chance to tell the story mostly due to not being vaccinated.
When do we get to hear their story?
 
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