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Powerwall 3 for my Off Grid?

arhamshah08

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Hello,

I am considering getting the Powerwall 3 for my home, and want opinions. I am a Tesla fan and want to see what you pros think of it. I want to go completely off the grid, its just me and my wife and 13.5kWh is sufficient for us.

Are there other batteries you'd recommend? Please help me understand and compare.
 
HOw do you know 13.5kwh is enough for you? It's just me and my wife and 60kwh isn't enough. Did you take power measurements? How much power is shown on your power bill?

Also powerwalls are only one part of the system. You also need panels. How many panels do you plan to have? And inverters? Will this be grid tied or off grid?

I bought 90kwh of battery for less than half the cost of a powerwall 3.

It would be more helpful to know what your end goals are. Why are you doing this?
 
Perhaps consider the Franklin WH aPower2. Note that the Franklin is AC Coupled so other equipment is needed.

Here is a YT video that I think is very helpful.

 
How do you know 13.5kwh is enough for you? It's just me and my wife and 60kwh isn't enough. Did you take power measurements? How much power is shown on your power bill?

Also powerwalls are only one part of the system. You also need panels. How many panels do you plan to have? And inverters? Will this be grid tied or off grid?

I bought 90kwh of battery for less than half the cost of a powerwall 3.

It would be more helpful to know what your end goals are. Why are you doing this?
1) Did not use any power calculations, based on our overnight use estimates
2) I need help deciding that as well - my monthly use is 500kWh, which is about 17 kWh. Would 13.5 kWh for overnight only not be sufficient? (sorry new to this)
3) End Goal: I want to be completely off the grid for independence and savings on utility costs. Need to identify Solar + Inverter + Battery combination.
4) What battery did you use? Half the cost is incredible

(i am a complete newbie so any good resources to help make the decision would be great)
 
1) Did not use any power calculations, based on our overnight use estimates
2) I need help deciding that as well - my monthly use is 500kWh, which is about 17 kWh. Would 13.5 kWh for overnight only not be sufficient? (sorry new to this)
3) End Goal: I want to be completely off the grid for independence and savings on utility costs. Need to identify Solar + Inverter + Battery combination.
4) What battery did you use? Half the cost is incredible

(i am a complete newbie so any good resources to help make the decision would be great)
What if you get a shady day? Or a shady week? What if it's winter where the days are extremely short? There are days where i've produced 35kwh and there are days where i've produces less than 1kwh. Several days in a row, actually. It's highly recommended you have 3 days of battery, but 5 days would be better.

There are a lot of things you need to learn that can't really be read, they have to be experienced. Being completely off grid is very difficult, because nature has a habit of throwing curve balls. It's best to keep the grid as backup. If you design your system to completely off grid in winter, it's going to be expensive, and your batteries are going to be full at 10am in the summer, and that just wastes money.

A better goal would be off grid 8 months out of the year, and the shitty 4 months charge the batteries overnight. Sort of a hybrid system. Then you can see how you like it, and decide if it's worth the extra money to go completely off grid. but in that time, you will have learned a great deal to determine what it really means to be off grid and a better idea of how much you will really need.

I think you didn't understand. My battery is half hte cost of a powerwall, and 7 times larger. 90 kwh vs 13.5kwh. That would give you a week of power if your readings are accurate. There's a big difference between buying a commercial battery, buying a diy battery, or building your own battery. There's a TON of video's about building your own 48v 280ah lifepo4 battery on youtube. I'm doing it right now. And my 15kwh battery cost me $1000, and it's bigger than a powerwall. And I have 6 of them.

There's no real good complete reading, stuff is scattered all over. You can start with will's channel, but there's so much more.

As for inverters, I have growatt, so I would recommend growatt, because I've had a good experience. But someone who bought eg4 would recommend eg4. And someone who bought deye would recommend solark. And someone who bought victron would recommend staying connected to the grid. Stuff is all over the place, each has their perks.

I bought 5 year old used panels for virtually nothing, but they work very well.

And you should start with looking into how commie your local government is. If you have a HOA, you may not be allowed to have panels. If your town has an ordinance against them, you may not have luck. If you need inspections and all that, it's a hassle.
 
End Goal: I want to be completely off the grid for independence and savings on utility costs.
Hi. We are totally off grid in Maine, in an energy efficient home but with almost all electric appliances (induction stove, side-by-side refrigerator, heat pump water heater, heat pump dryer, etc.). So, as far as being off grid and independent, I live what you seek.

First, I think @fatjay provides much good advice, although our opinions differ on a couple of things. The biggest of those is the number of days of battery one needs. I also once thought 3-5 days was necessary, but now think 2-3 days is likely fine if you are willing to run a generator a few times per year to recharge. We have 70 kwh of batteries and 13.6 KW of solar and use about 20kwh per day on average. We have not had to turn on the generator at all since Dec 22, when the last of our panels went live, and batteries have not gone below 44%. But I do think it's wise to simply plan on a limited amount of generator use in an off grid setting, because it keeps one from overbuying on expensive batteries.

The other area where I disagree is on the need to stay connected to the grid. It does provide a "safety" if things go wrong, but it also creates a connection and dependence some of us wish to avoid. I really like not receiving a power bill! F we had run power to our home during construction I suppose I would have kept it. We just decided not to do so, despite the power lines being only about 80 yards away, across an open field. We just said, "No, thank you." Our friends thought we were nuts. Now we just ask them if they need to stop by and shower when the grid power goes out.

The main thing I encourage you to do, before you start spending significantly, is to have a better idea of your daily power use. An inexpensive Emporia Vue device will allow you to better understand your daily patterns of use, which is a better planning tool than just monthly utility bills, including which devices use the most power, and when. Also, some utilities allow you to download your daily or even hourly power use, which is helpful but not as much as circuit-level Emporia Vue data.
 
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Everyone is a Tesla fan, but it's just a name, not a "fits-all solution" problems I see here:

1. You have not discussed your current situation - starting from scratch... already have solar? what product? Buying from an installer (definitely if it's Tesla), DIY kind of guy, or "you know someone"?

2. Off-grid means you need to size according to your worst day(s) of the year, there are probably days when you use 6kw... or 20kw.
Do you have room for 20kw of panels?.... size bigger for bad weather. 2nd the Emporia ASAP - you need to know granular hourly consumption in the winter.

3. Unless you live in a tiny home w\ 90% gas appliances and very little electric, 2x powerwalls aint enough.

4. Batteries are not like buckets of water, 5 gallons in the bucket is not 5 gallons usable out, they are more like cars, press the pedal harder, get 2x less miles, actual KWH varies by SOC / amperage / temperature... you wont get 13kw out of a powerwall. And the sun aint as reliable as your utility co.

5. Bad weather= less PV power, but you inherently tend to use more power, people stay indoors more, use appliances and heating more (you heat with gas?).

6. The term "permanent off-grid" is for very few people - Tesla is a pretty ribbon-wrapped box for people that dont want to get their hands dirty - that is NOT the off-grid crowd. Your consumption does sound low, but what you're saying is you want to become your own Utility company and assume all the liabilities and maintenance of that, the day will come when you will get your hands dirty, having power is not a trivial thing - you can do without for a day, but eventually time runs out and it's a MUST.

7. You would never charge an EV on 2 Powerwalls (+home). In 5-10 years you wont buy an EV?

I know people that have gone down that path, bought 2 powerwalls thinking "wow $50k out the door and I have a LOT of power".... only to find out it's not... then adding an EV in a couple years and finding out they need a huge expansion, and just small expansion is at a huge $$ premium.

What do you do when it's not enough? some say - "gas generator" (now you're buying/maintaining an $8-10k genset?) This endeavor will definitely cost way more than just paying the old utility company. Unless you do what previous commenters did and go big / go diy. You think you can slide by on 1 - get 2 (you will need 3-4 soon), plan for the near future.

Last question - who is going to put it in and maintain it (nothing lasts forever), if it is you - great, you will know what you have and possibly be equipped to service it faster than most solar companies.

If it is not you - your utility company just became some expensive solar installer that has probably installed 5,000 enphase systems - and then there's you - the one of 5 guys they *tried* to put off-grid... You can't really choose the "best product" (you here asking for advice on best option), you are at the mercy of what they know and sell. hmmm wonder how long that relationship will last and at what cost. I hear horror stories all the time about "my solar installer's dodging my calls for months while my system is under-performing or down". Then it's "I'm on my 3rd solar installer and they dont answer when I stomp my foot."

Even if you are a DIY kind of guy, you are still going to need some sort of *reliable* occasional support , call a place like Current Connected or Watts247 and ask them for a quality solution (something more robust than the typical guy wanting hybrid grid assisted... it probably wont be a Growatt/EG4). Personally I like Midnite Solar's MN15 inverter (you dont need that much inverter at 500kwh...until EV), and their Powerflo 16kw battery, they use grade A cells for long life, temp controlled with proper heating/cooling, and a real fire suppressant, while others advertise fire suppressor system, but they are just closing vents on the case, it's a clean well integrated system. You could buy 2-3 of those batteries for the price of 1 powerwall. Watts NHX inverter is similar to the Midnite. If you DIY (R&D) your own battery you can buy 7-8 for cost of PW3, (you plan to learn all the ins/outs and become your own battery support line), use big 280-300ah cells, Go to Docan Energy for a DIY 15kw enclosure kit with a JK BMS, they have a USA warehouse, usually very responsive, or one of these is maybe a better product, but not local:
(BE SAFE when messing with high amp power!!!)

Finding someone to put these "unicorn solar systems" in is difficult (thus DIY forum?), the mind-set of most solar installers is contrary to off-grid. .. The Tesla dealer network sounds tempting as a standard supported solution, but the dealers that "get it" are few and far. Too often I see Powerwalls paired with enphase (turning 13kw in to 10kw) - walk away if they mention enphase or any bs about "single point of failure" - get a robust inverter and separate batteries, if you're scared of single point of failure, get a spare cheapy inverter like a Growatt, they will produce more power on the days you *need* it than any enphase/powerwall combo.
 
Powerwall 3 and Generator Integration:
The Powerwall and generator are not directly integrated, meaning the Powerwall does not charge from the generator.
 
(i am a complete newbie so any good resources to help make the decision would be great)

Backwoods Solar is a North Idaho solar retailer that's been in business since 1976 so they've assembled some pretty good articles over the years. They even print a catalog!

Take a look at the worksheets and other articles at their Learning Center and review the examples below for a organized start learning more.
There are countless product alternatives to these examples, many less expensive, but it's a start. Also, this is N. Idaho where most folks don't have A/C so consumption is relatively low.

There's so much to learn and so many videos, articles, etc. that I found learning from a single POV filtered out a lot of noise. With this knowledge you'll be able to consume and filter much more info. WIll's DIY vids would be my second stop.
 

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