Schneider XW Pro - End of Sale???

[agtcovert]

I am not sure they could make these for under $1200.

Given they weigh about 120 lbs (if I remember correctly) and there's a lot of copper in that transformer, I'm very much inclined to agree. The list price was too high. $1200 is an utter steal, that's less than some HF inverters.

Wish they would've dropped the price on the other components too (PDP, MPPTs).

 

[PreciseD]

Given they weigh about 120 lbs (if I remember correctly) and there's a lot of copper in that transformer, I'm very much inclined to agree. The list price was too high. $1200 is an utter steal, that's less than some HF inverters.

Wish they would've dropped the price on the other components too (PDP, MPPTs).

I know they are going with all-in-ones, but they might keep those around since they can be added to any system. That would be my guess as to why they didn't drop the prices down that much on that gear. Either way, I know I got a great deal on a tried and true system. I can't wait to get it all fired up. It sure looks pretty on my wall...

 

[agtcovert]

I love the PDP piece of this. Feel like you could take almost any setup and make it look super clean.

 

[robbob2112]

P "W" M , I think Robbob2112 meant Width Mmm, 2112 a RUSH fan by chance ?

Pulse Width Modulation --- i.e. square wave with varying duty cycle to to provide varying amounts of power to an end device.

The PWM SCC uses pulse width modulation ... i.e. shorting the panel to the battery on and off -- square wave with varying duty cycle to present the battery with a specific current and voltage.

 

[455dan]

Pulse Width Modulation --- i.e. square wave with varying duty cycle to to provide varying amounts of power to an end device.

The PWM SCC uses pulse width modulation ... i.e. shorting the panel to the battery on and off -- square wave with varying duty cycle to present the battery with a specific current and voltage.

Yep , but you posted Pulse Wave Modulation earlier, (post 463)
I had just never heard of PWM described as wave instead of width since width is what changes the duty cycle of the waveform.


ps. Can't wait, the 2 XW Pros, chargeverter and another battery should be here today! Have to plug in the block heater on the tractor to unload the pallets, it is reading -5* F this morning. Da-n it is cold. First time I have seen the panel strings reading almost 400 Volts under load.

 

[robbob2112]

Yep , but you posted Pulse Wave Modulation earlier, (post 463)
I had just never heard of PWM described as wave instead of width since width is what changes the duty cycle of the waveform.


ps. Can't wait, the 2 XW Pros, chargeverter and another battery should be here today! Had to plug in the block heater on the tractor to unload the pallets, was reading mius 5* F this morning.

Ha ha, typo... I was probably on the tablet and the auto-correct did it different than I expet

 

[455dan]

Ha ha, typo... I was probably on the tablet and the auto-correct did it different than I expet

I need new reading glasses, can't believe how many times I go back and see where I misspelled, or left out letters entirely. Like above what the heck is mius? SMH

 

[robbob2112]

I need new reading glasses, can't believe how many times I go back and see where I misspelled, or left out letters entirely. Like above what the heck is mius? SMH

That is usually what I go back to change in my posts - just the spelling verse the content..... once in a while I have to go back and strike through an entire answer when I figure out I am totally out to lunch and wrong.,

 

[OffGridForGood]

I need new reading glasses, can't believe how many times I go back and see where I misspelled, or left out letters entirely. Like above what the heck is mius? SMH

It would be handy if the forum had some basic auto spell check/correct - not everyone's first language is English...and then there is the fat finger issue too

 

[Farm Boy]

right now $1600

Question: I have studied many of the Schneider goodies to make a complete system. By the time with it all I could just about buy another 18kpv.
So would this work if I buy 1-6848 / 1-insight home / 1- eg4 solar controller 100a 500v , use my own race way and breakers for Batteries, load.
Using as a back up.
would the insight home show the state of charge in the battery bank? I know the Eg4 don't have remote monitoring it probably would not be hooked up to the 6848 but I wonder if the insight would still show battery state. I read some where another guy had issues using an external controller with the insight showing different readings till he updated firmware to 2.1. I could see spending 2200. to make a second system .

 

[Quattrohead]

Question: I have studied many of the Schneider goodies to make a complete system. By the time with it all I could just about buy another 18kpv.

Stick with the system you currently have, adding an entirely different manufacturer would complicate your life so much. The integration between the two EG4 18K PV inverters is a no-brainer.
As you have calculated, you won't end up saving much money and will gain a massive headache with less available power.

 

[400bird]

Quattrohead's point is a good one.
I'll answer your questions as best I can.

So would this work if I buy 1-6848 / 1-insight home / 1- eg4 solar controller 100a 500v , use my own race way and breakers for Batteries, load.
Using as a back up.

Yup, that would function.

would the insight home show the state of charge in the battery bank? I know the Eg4 don't have remote monitoring it probably would not be hooked up to the 6848 but I wonder if the insight would still show battery state. I read some where another guy had issues using an external controller with the insight showing different readings till he updated firmware to 2.1. I could see spending 2200. to make a second system .

Without BMS communication, there's no way for the Schneider to know SOC from your battery's BMS. An alternative is to add Schneider's shunt, which confusing they call a BMS
It's just a shunt and box to get the shunt talking to everything else Schneider.

 

[robbob2112]

I agree with the above when it comes to adding capacity to an existing system - stick with what you have unless there is a reason to completely replace it like changing voltage or something....

Now if you have a need for a completely different install on another building it might be worth it... the 6848 + insight home to program it is the bare minimum required.... you can hook it up without either PDP and wire it into an existing raceway and just make the connections to an existing panel and just add breakers... but doing this way just about breaks even with the mini-pdp for a single inverter or the full pdp for the multiple...

 

[ksmithaz1]

Question: I have studied many of the Schneider goodies to make a complete system. By the time with it all I could just about buy another 18kpv.
So would this work if I buy 1-6848 / 1-insight home / 1- eg4 solar controller 100a 500v , use my own race way and breakers for Batteries, load.
Using as a back up.
would the insight home show the state of charge in the battery bank? I know the Eg4 don't have remote monitoring it probably would not be hooked up to the 6848 but I wonder if the insight would still show battery state. I read some where another guy had issues using an external controller with the insight showing different readings till he updated firmware to 2.1. I could see spending 2200. to make a second system .

The EG4 has remote monitoring... Unless the systems are completely discreet, you kill all the advantages of either system when you try and mix them.

 

[Farm Boy]

Stick with the system you currently have, adding an entirely different manufacturer would complicate your life so much. The integration between the two EG4 18K PV inverters is a no-brainer.
As you have calculated, you won't end up saving much money and will gain a massive headache with less available power.

Thanks Quattrohead, you've been like a friend to me out here.

Quattrohead's point is a good one.
I'll answer your questions as best I can.

Yup, that would function.

Without BMS communication, there's no way for the Schneider to know SOC from your battery's BMS. An alternative is to add Schneider's shunt, which confusing they call a BMS
It's just a shunt and box to get the shunt talking to everything else Schneider.

Thanks for confirming.

I agree with the above when it comes to adding capacity to an existing system - stick with what you have unless there is a reason to completely replace it like changing voltage or something....

Now if you have a need for a completely different install on another building it might be worth it... the 6848 + insight home to program it is the bare minimum required.... you can hook it up without either PDP and wire it into an existing raceway and just make the connections to an existing panel and just add breakers... but doing this way just about breaks even with the mini-pdp for a single inverter or the full pdp for the multiple...

Yes, every thing is getting moved but also have a back up hanging here dormant sense I started the kpv. Just all ways wonted one, it's that solar addition in me.

 

[pvdude]

I just ordered a "spare" XW-Pro from NAZ on a quote I received a few weeks ago, when they were listed for $1200.
Not planning on installing it, no more space available.
It will just stay in the shipping box until one of the others fails, or I find some way to use it elsewhere.

 

[robbob2112]

I just ordered a "spare" XW-Pro from NAZ on a quote I received a few weeks ago, when they were listed for $1200.
Not planning on installing it, no more space available.
It will just stay in the shipping box until one of the others fails, or I find some way to use it elsewhere.
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I love the idea - but were it me I might swap it out with one of the others that you know works and keep that one in the box. This way you can make sure the new spare is fully functional.

 

[BKY2003]

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Anyone looking to use this battery with your Schneider?

 

[Brucey]

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Anyone looking to use this battery with your Schneider?

Oh very affordable for "UL 9540 DC ESS 3rd Edition (Pending)".

Basically could be paired with any ul1741sa or sb inverter for a ul compliant solution?

 

[BKY2003]

29.30 and 50.40 mark. But they say you have to have the Link II device.

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[Quattrohead]

Lowe's screws in the front make it look like it was made in someone's garden shed. The rest of it looks vaguely familiar

 

[Gttnsun]

Lowe's screws in the front make it look like it was made in someone's garden shed. The rest of it looks vaguely familiar

Do you like anything other then EG4 products?

 

[Brucey]

Do you like anything other then EG4 products?

I don't think the other brands offered him discounted hardware....

 

[wheelman55]

I bought one for $1200. SRP is $4800. Regular price was $3800.

What amazes me is the markup. You know that even $1200 is above cost. How much markup are we paying on other solar components?

There is markup on virtually everything that we consume. The markups can be at various levels, so that’s mark up’s on mark ups.

These mark up’s either directly or indirectly pay for everything and provide all of us with paychecks.

Think on this

 

[Brucey]

Lowe's screws in the front make it look like it was made in someone's garden shed. The rest of it looks vaguely familiar

Seems like more value than the eg4 power pro outdoor at the same $3600 price, more lifetime production, significantly more surge capability, ess 3rd edition for UL compliance with a large number of inverters?