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sol-ark 15k and pytes: how to minimize use of grid

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i just finished my DIY; 17.85kw/61kwh (pytes) with sol-ark in a whole-home (line side tap) config. now I'm trying to understand how to configure the solark for the behavior i want, which is to minimize grid use. so, at least conceptually, when i have PV, it should use that to supply the loads and the excess to charge the batteries.

below is what i was seeing mid-afternoon today.
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this is my limiter configuration:
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why is the solark drawing from the grid at all? thanks.
 
Just to clarify a few points:

- First, when you say "line side tap," to me, that implies you have the main breaker panel (off the inverter's Grid terminal) AND a critical loads panel (off the inverter's Load terminal -- diagram 2 in the (my) manual). Is that what you have? Or, is the Sol-ark powering the whole home through just the main breaker panel (off the Load terminal -- diagram 1 in the manual)?

- Second, do you have an operating agreement where you can sell power back to the utility?

- Third, does the utility charge/pay different amounts at different times of day?

The way your Limiter tab is currently set, without Grid Sell checked, you're not selling anything back to the grid and the inverter will limit how much PV you generate to cover only what you've told it to power with the "Limited Power to ..." options. With Limited Power to Load checked, you're limiting the PV you generate to cover only what's in your critical loads panel (whatever's hanging off your Load terminal). If you want to cover everything (i.e., you have both a critical loads panel and a main breaker panel), you'll need to check the Limited Power to Home box, instead.

Your current TOU settings (without the Charge box checked anywhere) won't charge the batteries from anything but PV and will limit how low you can deplete your battery (down to 50% most of the time and won't let the battery discharge at all between 1PM and 5PM). I don't know what time your photo of the inverter's main screen was taken, but if it was between 1pm and 5pm, then that's probably why you're getting power from the grid -- the inverter's charging the battery up to 100% with PV and pulling whatever it needs for the loads from the grid). That Battery First setting is probably contributing to that (assuming what you show from the manual is what you've set yours to). As @Oldphile said, changing to Load First should help. But, for whatever reason, I don't see any difference in behavior between the two options.


What I'd recommend doing is:

- If you can sell energy back, turn on Grid Sell.
- Choose the correct "Limit Power to ..." option (which you might already have set).
- Check the "Charge" button for every time slot of TOU. That will change the Batt % number to a ceiling instead of a floor (i.e., instead of allowing the battery to be drawn down to only that number, it will charge the battery from the grid up to that number if it ever falls below it).
- Change the Batt % numbers for all TOU slots to match what you've set for the Start % on the inverter's Batt Setup > Charge tab.
- If you do want to go into the night with a full battery (or as close to it as possible), then leave that 1pm to 5pm TOU block (or the latest time slot you want) set at 100% and keep that particular Charge button unchecked. I used to have mine set that way, but decided it wasn't worth it. Now, all the TOU time slots are set to Charge up to 20%.

I'd also recommend changing your Battery Charge and Discharge tab numbers to use as much of the battery as possible. I used to keep my battery lower level at 40% just to leave me some leeway in case of the zombie apocalypse. Then I changed it to 20%. Now, I'm down to 10%:


EDIT: And, in case you haven't seen it, Sol-Ark has a TOU Application Guide on their site that explains more about TOU:

 
- First, when you say "line side tap," to me, that implies
ah, sorry, i was sloppy with my terms. i'm configured for what the manual (page 53) calls "bypass transfer switch". the main panel is on the LOAD. the transfer switch selects if the main panel is powered by the grid or the solark.

- Second, do you have an operating agreement where you can sell power back to the utility?
no, we only have "approval to install" from the utility, which is why i have "grid sell" disabled. i have final inspection tomorrow and then will move to the next step in their interconnection process towards PTO.

- Third, does the utility charge/pay different amounts at different times of day?
no. we (currently) have net metering and no TOU (baltimore gas & electric).

Your current TOU settings...
these were the out-of-the-box settings.

What I'd recommend doing is:
thanks very much for this explanation and especially the link to the TOU application guide! that's the secret decoder ring i needed all along. the manual just left me feeling stupid. lol. i've no clue why solark doesn't include it as an appendix to the manual or even mention it.

I used to keep my battery lower level at 40% just to leave me some leeway in case of the zombie apocalypse. Then I changed it to 20%. Now, I'm down to 10%:
lol re apocalypse. yeah same. i saw that recent will prowse video. as i get more knowledgeable and comfortable with how the system works and our power usage (this is the first time i'm able to see our power consumption almost minute-by-minute), I'll change the settings to be like yours.

thanks again! this was very helpful.
 
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SolArk has a youtube video which goes over the TOU settings in pretty good detail. I suggest watching it a couple times. Basically, from my understanding, the power section is how much you want going in and out of your batteries and the Batt section is the low point that you want your battery to go to. If your battery is above that, it will use from the battery, if it's below, it uses from the grid. Excess PV will try to charge the battery.
 

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