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Sol-Ark max usable PV input

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Hi Everyone,

I am working on my home solar system and I am finally settled on Sol-Ark 15k with almost 19kW of panels. I am having hard time finding information about the usable max PV input for Sol-Ark. According to their documentation, max 15k of PV can be converted to AC but what if the possible PV production is more than 15k, would the extra be redirected to the batteries? I called the customer support but the guy I spoke with kept insisting that all of PV would be converted to AC which clearly is not true according to their own documentation. Unfortunately he finally hung up on me. He told me each MPPT is capable of 6.5kW of PV so a total of 19.5kW is usable. It would be really helpful if someone can help me with the answer of this question.
 
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Well there are two inputs that you COULD use for solar. One is the DC (direct current) side that has the 19kW limit the rep explained. The other is the generator/smart input that is an AC (alternating current) input. That would require micro-inverters, or an inverter between your panels and the unit.

So the customer support guy was correct in that approx 15kW of the DC can be converted to AC. If you had more panels than the DC side allows, they would already be converted to AC via the generator/smart input.

Does that help clear it up? I would recommend reading through the install manual, even though you are not currently installing it, to get a feel for things. Also, watching youtube videos of comparisons between inverters can help clear up the input differences as well.

There are a lot of differences in installations, and sometimes those affect the unit output ability. Grid tie, vs. off grid. If you want a generator, etc.

Good luck with your project!
 
Thank you so much for your feedback. In my situation, I am not going to use the Gen input or any AC coupled system. My system is DC coupled. As I said earlier I only have 19kW PV panels for input.

I have experience with a Deye(arguably Sol-Ark's manufacturer) 8kW(with max usable input of 10.5kW) where I have about 12.5kW of PV panels. At the peak production these panels sometime output as much as 10.5kW out of which 8kW is converted to AC, whereas the rest 2.5kW is routed to the batteries.

My question is if my 19kW panels are producing 17kW of PV, if we ignore the losses the Sol-Ark-15k will convert 15kW into AC, what would happen to the remaining 2kW of PV. Would that be clipped or routed to the batteries?
 
Thank you for your answer. This is how I assume it should be, just wondering if this is your personal experience with Sol-Ark-15k?
Yup, personal experience. It's definitely not common to get a SolArk 15k to clip, it's a damn lot of panels to make 19.5kW.
 
19.36Kw of PV panels mainly into the batteries at 17.1Kw. And because the amperage of the three MPPTs are the same (17.5A), clipping is happening.
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It would be routed to batteries.

If batteries are full, it will clip it

It would be routed to batteries.

If batteries are full, it will clip it
How about if grid tied with ability to sell back? After loads are satisfied and batteries full, or the max charge rate reached, would the excess be then sold back to the grid as mine does when my system battery is charged?

I’m expanding my PV system with an additional 5700w of small supplementary arrays, with my 13.6kw main array. I am aiming the two small 2850w arrays 30° or so E and W to flatten my production curve and increase morning and evening production-but during the day if the whole (13.6+5.7=19.3kw) outstrips the capacity of the 15k to invert-I’m curious what will happen.

It’s not going to stop me, but I does make me curious.
 
How about if grid tied with ability to sell back? After loads are satisfied and batteries full, or the max charge rate reached, would the excess be then sold back to the grid as mine does when my system battery is charged?

I’m expanding my PV system with an additional 5700w of small supplementary arrays, with my 13.6kw main array. I am aiming the two small 2850w arrays 30° or so E and W to flatten my production curve and increase morning and evening production-but during the day if the whole (13.6+5.7=19.3kw) outstrips the capacity of the 15k to invert-I’m curious what will happen.

It’s not going to stop me, but I does make me curious.
It can invert 15kW for consumption and export. Anything above that can go to battery. If batteries are full, it leaves the excess at the panels.
 
I think I'm not understanding this correctly. But, just in case, is the spec sheet of any help? Max Allowed PV Power = 19.5kW, Max AC Coupled Input = 19.2kW, Real Power, Max Continuous = 15kW, Real Power, Max Continuous (Batteries Only, No PV) = 12kW. Or, is the actual issue what happens when those numbers are exceeded?
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The question was what happens if Max PV possible production power(e.g. 18kW) is above the Max continuous AC power(15kW). 15kW would be converted to the AC but what would happen to the remaining 3kW of the PV power.
 
I think I'm not understanding this correctly. But, just in case, is the spec sheet of any help? Max Allowed PV Power = 19.5kW, Max AC Coupled Input = 19.2kW, Real Power, Max Continuous = 15kW, Real Power, Max Continuous (Batteries Only, No PV) = 12kW. Or, is the actual issue what happens when those numbers are exceeded?
What is your question?
 
My question is if my 19kW panels are producing 17kW of PV, if we ignore the losses the Sol-Ark-15k will convert 15kW into AC, what would happen to the remaining 2kW of PV. Would that be clipped or routed to the batteries?
if your batteries can take the charge, the 2kW will go to battery. If batteries are full, then clipped.
 
DID almost same as you, the BIGGIE is to make sure each string is < 450VDC (you can go to 500) they prefer you don't
and watch the amperage. Each MPPT can take two strings, (there in parallel) On a Sunpower retrofit, where I removed the dead SMA sunnboys
(a pair) and replaced with a Sol-Ark 15k
Here is Mine.

MPPT 1:
#1 – 407VDC 3AMP
#2 – 407VDC 3AMP

MPPT2:
#3 – 291VDC 2.3AMP
#4 – 468VDC 3.4AMP

MPPT3:
#5 -- 420VDC 3.1AMP
#6 – 180VDC? 2.3AMP?

String 6 was we had to remove three panels from the old group and run a new string, I was over volting
electrician gave me the readings, but I never wrote them down :P

Jonathan
 
DID almost same as you, the BIGGIE is to make sure each string is < 450VDC (you can go to 500) they prefer you don't
and watch the amperage. Each MPPT can take two strings, (there in parallel) On a Sunpower retrofit, where I removed the dead SMA sunnboys
(a pair) and replaced with a Sol-Ark 15k
Here is Mine.

MPPT 1:
#1 – 407VDC 3AMP
#2 – 407VDC 3AMP

MPPT2:
#3 – 291VDC 2.3AMP
#4 – 468VDC 3.4AMP

MPPT3:
#5 -- 420VDC 3.1AMP
#6 – 180VDC? 2.3AMP?

String 6 was we had to remove three panels from the old group and run a new string, I was over volting
electrician gave me the readings, but I never wrote them down :P

Jonathan
Shouldn’t the parallel strings be matched for voltage and current?
 
It can invert 15kW for consumption and export. Anything above that can go to battery. If batteries are full, it leaves the excess at the panels.
I think I’m seeing the root with the explanation phrased like this. AC max is 15kW, while DC max is 19.2kW.

Thanks for clarifying.

Haven’t had enough PV to see this in action to this point, so I wasn’t sure how it would handle it. Hopefully my additional panels will push it to that point
 
DID almost same as you, the BIGGIE is to make sure each string is < 450VDC (you can go to 500) they prefer you don't
and watch the amperage. Each MPPT can take two strings, (there in parallel) On a Sunpower retrofit, where I removed the dead SMA sunnboys
(a pair) and replaced with a Sol-Ark 15k
Here is Mine.

MPPT 1:
#1 – 407VDC 3AMP
#2 – 407VDC 3AMP

MPPT2:
#3 – 291VDC 2.3AMP
#4 – 468VDC 3.4AMP

MPPT3:
#5 -- 420VDC 3.1AMP
#6 – 180VDC? 2.3AMP?

String 6 was we had to remove three panels from the old group and run a new string, I was over volting
electrician gave me the readings, but I never wrote them down :P

Jonathan
I think it is more important to match voltage than amps. It is my understanding Amps will add, but volts will be limited to the lower.
Any thoughts on putting #4 and #5 on one MPPT, and #3 and #6 on another MPPT?
 
I think it is more important to match voltage than amps. It is my understanding Amps will add, but volts will be limited to the lower.
Any thoughts on putting #4 and #5 on one MPPT, and #3 and #6 on another MPPT?
I discussed it with my master electrician, he was more concerned with getting it running, then optimized, its 'on the list' :P
 
I discussed it with my master electrician, he was more concerned with getting it running, then optimized, its 'on the list' :P
I'd be concerned about the 180v string seeing 420v. I suppose it is not much different from panels going into bypass with shading.
 
I discussed it with my master electrician, he was more concerned with getting it running, then optimized, its 'on the list' :P
You can't be getting much out of your mismatched inputs! The mppts track the voltage where peak production happens, and your mismatches are crazy big! I don't mean to come across as snobbish or know-it-all, but I am nearly 100% certain that your production would go up just by eliminating the lowest voltage string on both of your unmatched mppts!!

We had a job where the customer had used panels that we set up for him and one had "opposite" MC4 connectors and we didn't catch it. He had 4 strings of 3x panels (30V each) in parallel. But with that one panel "reversed" in one string, his production numbers were WAYYYYYY down on that charge controller! I wish I could remember the numbers.... by simply unplugging that ONE wrong string, his production instantly went to something like double or triple!!!!!

That situation was essentially stringed like this:
  1. 90Vdc/7A
  2. 90Vdc/7A
  3. 90Vdc/7A
  4. 30Vdc/7A
Those were of course all in parallel. Disconnecting string #4 popped production waaayyyy up!

The issue was that the low voltage string caused the other string voltages to "pull down", therefore they didn't even reach their own max production voltage.

Now, I know there are bypass diodes and all that, and maybe someone has a theory on that with my specific scenario. Perhaps the reverse voltage scenario caused that one panel's diode to not function or something.... but even if that were the case, for my scenario. Your scenario (OP) would still end up in the higher voltage string essentially "overriding" the lower voltage string, therefore rendering the lower voltage string pretty well completely useless!
 
I appreciate the input!!!
I can experiment with different strings and see what gives me the best production
right now I'm getting about 8kW -- my old inverters produced 9kW -- so I know it can get better!

Jonathan
 
DID almost same as you, the BIGGIE is to make sure each string is < 450VDC (you can go to 500) they prefer you don't
and watch the amperage. Each MPPT can take two strings, (there in parallel) On a Sunpower retrofit, where I removed the dead SMA sunnboys
(a pair) and replaced with a Sol-Ark 15k
Here is Mine.

MPPT 1:
#1 – 407VDC 3AMP
#2 – 407VDC 3AMP

MPPT2:
#3 – 291VDC 2.3AMP
#4 – 468VDC 3.4AMP

MPPT3:
#5 -- 420VDC 3.1AMP
#6 – 180VDC? 2.3AMP?

String 6 was we had to remove three panels from the old group and run a new string, I was over volting
electrician gave me the readings, but I never wrote them down :P

Jonathan
When you connect parallel strings into a single MPPT, the total output power is limited by the VOLTAGE of the lower-voltage string. The CURRENT adds together (from two or even 3 strings) with no loss.

But WITHIN each string (of panels wired in series), the current received by the MPPT is limited to the current of the lowest-performing panel. This is why some installations add 'optimizers' to each panel - the job of each 'optimizer' is to cut out the panel from the string when the panel's own current is seen to be much lower than the current value from the other running panels.

When active, its acts sort of like like a string of Chrsttmas lights - the low-perfoming light is made to go out completely, while the the others remain at ful brighness. Without optimizers, it would be like all panel becoming "dim" when only one or two have become shaded.
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In any case, you need to re-arrange your strings so that each MPPT is connected to strings with roughly the same VOLTAGE. On a Sol-Ark 15K, with each MMPT supporting current up to 26A (and safely protecting from even higher values), you have zero concerns with current - all six parallel strings could wired into a single MPPT. But in using only one MMPT, the widely varying VOLTAGE values would yield only 180 volts * 17.1 amps= 3078 watts of input power.

Strings #1 and 2 could be combined with string #5 on a single MPPT, degrading the voltage of string #5 from 420 volts to 407 volts. That's not a huge power loss. Your high-voltage string #4 exceeds the MPPT operating limit of the Sol-Ark units. It might work at 450 volts 3.4 amps, using "MPPT2 all by itself. And that is what I would do - alone on MMPT2

String #3 (2.3A @ 291 Volts = 669 watts input) should be isolated on MPPT3, because it's very low voltage would degrade the performance of any other "higher voltage" string on the same MPPT.

String #6 offers only 414 watts to begin with. The only possible combination (with string #3) would pull down the power of String #3 from 669 to 4141, a loss of 348 watts -- the net "gain" in the combination would be only around 60 watts, probably not worth the extra wiring hassles. So I would put string #3 on MMPT3 alone, not connecting string #6 at all.

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In my scheme, your peak input power would be about 3700 watts from MPPT1 (Strings 1+2+5, with 5 degraded to 407 volts); 1530 watts from MPPT (String 4 alone, downgrade to 450 volts); and 700 watts from MPPT3 (String 3 alone). That's only 5300 watts total.

The 3 big MPPT units within the Sol-Ark 15K are EACH capable of far more, but your panel arrangement is weird - what sort of panels put out only 3 amps? Please diagram or describe the strings, and the individual panels they contain.
 
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