Sol-Ark response to reports of Deye inverters shutting down

[D71]

NSA Reportedly Adds Backdoors To US-Made Routers

Secret "supply-chain interdiction" program intercepts networking equipment being shipped overseas and adds phone-home surveillance capabilities, says Guardian report.

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Pegasus spyware was found on the mobile phones of Spanish politicians & all of our governments have increased their spying efforts on us with the "War on terror" or was it the war on drugs, I forget? There is a lot of China paranoia but why would a Chinese government agency want to spy on people who install solar PV or any other consumer product? The concerns about industrial scale telecoms hardware are more valid.

Who owns Peagus spyware? They were selling it.

Seems Everybody is spying on everybody. Them shutting down the Deye means they might do the same in major event such as onset of a war with china. Who knows what is planned. What is in place until it happens. Just like the DEYE being bricked.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Seems Everybody is spying on everybody.

 

[cs1234]

Pushing Deye to "do the right thing" would be counterproductive in pursuing their best business interest.

Possibly, it depends on how the bad word of mouth works out. Considering most people have the attention span of a gnat, it will probably be fine for them. This is also the age of "greed is good" and no corporate accountability or ethics is expected, so plenty of people will apologize for them because it's just business. Businesses "are people" sometimes, but aren't expected to be "good people" at any time.

Being as they are a private company, we don't know who owns what percentage of the business, it's possible that Sol-Ark is beholden to pretty much just the CEO / founder, in which case, he could run it as he sees fit with only a little bit of push from minority shareholders. The argument could even be made that "doing the right thing" would be beneficial for the companies minority shareholders in the long run to foster their sweetie pie, veteran owned image. Trying to defend property rights of fellow American citizens could be viewed as a good thing that would bolster their reputation, encouraging more business in the future.

 

[PulseSolar]

From EG4 Press release today:

https://eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Joint-Statement-by-EG4-Electronics-and-Luxpowertek.pdf

https://eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/EG4-Electronics-and-Luxpowertek-Announcement-on-Product-Integrity-and-Consumer-Rights.pdf

 

[Tulex]

Possibly, it depends on how the bad word of mouth works out. Considering most people have the attention span of a gnat, it will probably be fine for them. This is also the age of "greed is good" and no corporate accountability or ethics is expected, so plenty of people will apologize for them because it's just business. Businesses "are people" sometimes, but aren't expected to be "good people" at any time.

Being as they are a private company, we don't know who owns what percentage of the business, it's possible that Sol-Ark is beholden to pretty much just the CEO / founder, in which case, he could run it as he sees fit with only a little bit of push from minority shareholders. The argument could even be made that "doing the right thing" would be beneficial for the companies minority shareholders in the long run to foster their sweetie pie, veteran owned image. Trying to defend property rights of fellow American citizens could be viewed as a good thing that would bolster their reputation, encouraging more business in the future.

A month from now this thread will be forgotten. In the big picture, even if this made the national news, it would be forgotten.
The reaction on here is really no different than pissing in the ocean. Will go unnoticed in the long run.

The only long term effect will be, for the few that were involved, rethinking our connectivity to items.

 

[Tulex]

Sol-Ark is actually Portable Solar, LLC
Do some searching, you can find some of the lawsuits and a little about the company.

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[Tulex]

From EG4 Press release today:

https://eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Joint-Statement-by-EG4-Electronics-and-Luxpowertek.pdf

https://eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/EG4-Electronics-and-Luxpowertek-Announcement-on-Product-Integrity-and-Consumer-Rights.pdf

In case we missed it?

 

[Quattrohead]

These devices are simply using gps location service. Probably know where your device is located with 10-20 ft area.

TOO FUNNY, tinfoil hat time.

 

[newbie2024]

This just keeps getting more fun!! I can only imagine the strained relationship between Deye and solark and all the other brand names. I'm surprised no one has blamed Trump yet!

Also Simon, I own a solark 15k, my trust in your brand names is severely tarnished, and although my product has been reliable and i;ve installed others reliably, it leads me to believe that I won't recommend your brand in the future unless we get some SERIOUS transparency here. My dongle port is going to get a sticker that says never plug anything in here

I had to go through an RMA for a sol-ark 12k. After my experience, I would not recommend the sol-ark to anybody. Lots of good marketing, but watch for the fine print. It may be a recent thing, because about 2-3 years ago they were awesome for tech support and technical related questions.

 

[cs1234]

Sol-Ark is actually Portable Solar, LLC
Do some searching, you can find some of the lawsuits and a little about the company.

Your google-fu is better than mine. I can't find the shareholder percentages online.

 

[Tulex]

Your google-fu is better than mine. I can't find the shareholder percentages online.

Didn't look for that, was mostly reading lawsuits.

 

[cs1234]

I had to go through an RMA for a sol-ark 12k. After my experience, I would not recommend the sol-ark to anybody. Lots of good marketing, but watch for the fine print. It may be a recent thing, because about 2-3 years ago they were awesome for tech support and technical related questions.

They are pushing to go public, so they are probably trying to make all their numbers look better right now. You don't get better numbers by giving away product.

 

[Solar Guppy]

Your google-fu is better than mine. I can't find the shareholder percentages online.

Limited liability companies (LLCs) do not have shareholders, just members which can be the individuals, corporations, partnerships, or other legal entities

 

[Partimewages]

They are pushing to go public, so they are probably trying to make all their numbers look better right now. You don't get better numbers by giving away product.

That would be the reason for the December 31 deadline

 

[cs1234]

Limited liability companies (LLCs) do not have shareholders, just members which can be the individuals, corporations, partnerships, or other legal entities

Those members can have various percentages of ownership. I'm curious as to how much of Sol-Ark is owned by whom. By curious, I mean barely curious, only for the sake of pointless arguing here on the forum.

 

[DPC]

Wow, what a fiasco.
While I don't own neither a Deye or SolArk AIO, I was dreaming of getting a Deye Hybrid some day as a "quality" replacement for my system. After all this, not gonna happen!

I was also unaware of the missing relay scandal in the Deye microinverters. I happen to have one of those (rebadged), but it's not in use. Totally takes my trust from them.

I stick with the cheap Chinese stuff I buy, knowing that if they some day lockup on me, at least I didn't spend that much money...

Well....
if you collect enough meta data on just about anything you can start to see patterns in behaviour.
That's why the 5 eyes vacuum up all the data they can.
Its against the law for the US gov to spy on Americans without a reason.
But its not against the law for the Canadian gov to spy on Americans without a reason.
And if they find a reason they can look deeper and deeper until they find a communist under a bed.
All based purely on meta data and not being constrained by any rules......

Then if, lets say an ally secrete police of the USA says to the American secrete police " Hey we have been watching this guy, you should get a warrant and bug his smart fridge ".
And if you don't mind US secrete police can you do the same for us and inform on any of our people so we can start a file please and thank you?

There are so few safeguards on what CSIS and the RCMP can snoop in on as long as its not on Canadian soil it should scare the daylights out of people who live in friendly countries.

Now what do the people we really don't trust try and bore into and collect meta data on?
Think of all those server farms out there burning up all that electricity in the world.
That's a lot of meta data...

 

[Solar Guppy]

Those members can have various percentages of ownership. I'm curious as to how much of Sol-Ark is owned by whom. By curious, I mean barely curious, only for the sake of pointless arguing here on the forum.

Spend a dollar and see for yourself, should all be in Articles of Organization for Portable Solar, LLC filed with the Secretary of State for Texas

 

[TheseekerJam]

Even if you got a solark at half price it may still be way more expensive than deye or a EG4. I thought they would say they woukd buy back the disabled deye. I don't know but it sounds like they are not far removed from this shutdown

 

[TheseekerJam]

you keep saying that but US laws are different. the seller did not brick the unit, Deye did. and it will be Deye that pays for it if it goes to court in the US. you speak like you know something about the US... i get this feeling you get everything from your little socialist bubble. we are not the same as you by a long stretch.
Americans are a cantankerous lot as such the laws need to be heavily defined as we are always looking for a loophole. thats why lawfare, legal battles and payouts are so big in the US.
deye bricked something that they had no right to brick they did not own it anymore. PR is considered a US territory, as such the people will take it to the US courts, not china's. Best case they pay out for their perfidity... worst case they get banned from any of their products entering the US if they do not pay out.... even crap marked as SOLARK.

I am quite sure that the CEO and board of SOLARK are sweating right now hoping nobody will go that far, but let a single old person or child die due to their power being cut by a foreign entity.... you will see what its like to see Americans pissed.... people lose their shit over a couple of things in the US... puppies, kittens, children and grandpa and grandma... you can f with me all day long and most people will simply say sucks to be you... mess with one of the aforementioned and watch the court's come down like an angry god's fist.

Some of these sellers know they should never have imported deye inverters to the USA. I read somewhere where a guy here in the US brought a few in and sold them for double the price. I also saw a few on ebay the other day. Those inverters were region specific and not for sale in the US.
People are saying to boycott deye, however they fail to realize that if they do boycott deye in the US or Canada they would only be boycotting solark. The majority of Deye inverters which are very good inverters by the way are sold in the Caribbean, Europe and Africa etc. Deye have no problem giving the US and Canadian market to Solark because they had to pay deye top dollar for it. Now if Solark goes out of business in the US deye inverters would be a serious competitor and I guarantee people would buy them.

 

[Oldphile]

They have been pressuring Deye for this for 3 years. They aren't going to ask them to stop now.

For good reason. One person reported that 3 phase Deye inverters that he bought from GreensunSolar were bricked. That web site has Deye split phase inverters for sale described as "For US Home Power Use". Sol-Ark wants Deye to stop selling product specifically intended for the US market to these businesses. I very much doubt that bricking inverters is what Sol-Ark wanted.

As for the 3 phase product, I have no idea if they are within the agreement.

 

[OutlawSolar]

They are pushing to go public, so they are probably trying to make all their numbers look better right now. You don't get better numbers by giving away product.

Going public!
being just a reseller of Chinese commodity product (and now a bad product).
very ambitious.

 

[timselectric]

For good reason. One person reported that 3 phase Deye inverters that he bought from GreensunSolar were bricked. That web site has Deye split phase inverters for sale described as "For US Home Power Use". Sol-Ark wants Deye to stop selling product specifically intended for the US market to these businesses. I very much doubt that bricking inverters is what Sol-Ark wanted.

As for the 3 phase product, I have no idea if they are within the agreement.

It doesn't matter which version of Deye inverter. Sol-Ark has the territory for all.

 

[TM48]

Some of these sellers know they should never have imported deye inverters to the USA. I read somewhere where a guy here in the US brought a few in and sold them for double the price. I also saw a few on ebay the other day. Those inverters were region specific and not for sale in the US.
People are saying to boycott deye, however they fail to realize that if they do boycott deye in the US or Canada they would only be boycotting solark. The majority of Deye inverters which are very good inverters by the way are sold in the Caribbean, Europe and Africa etc. Deye have no problem giving the US and Canadian market to Solark because they had to pay deye top dollar for it. Now if Solark goes out of business in the US deye inverters would be a serious competitor and I guarantee people would buy them.

None of which violates any US laws. Withholding parts, service or support of any kind is a legitimate response. Bricking private property is a crime.

 

[cs1234]

Spend a dollar and see for yourself, should all be in Articles of Organization for Portable Solar, LLC filed with the Secretary of State for Texas

I was hoping somebody else would. I'm a cheapskate.

 

[HighDesertDrifter]

@Tuelex said: "Anyone who thinks that most businesses don't and aren't doing the same thing is gullible."

Sadly, just because so many others operate in this manner is NOT a good measure to judge by.

Kind of reminds me of all the Wall Street bs of the past (80's) with Subprime mortgages "Mortgage backed securities" It was all ok and everyone playing the game made a boat load of money, until one day it wasn't ok anymore, and guess who paid?
That's right all of us did, especially many who had been sucked in so deep by the false narrative that they lost everything.

O yea, and then the government bails you out with "Our" money, the exact ones who have already been robbed got to pay up again through taxation to support the bankers and the Wall Street guys that ripped us all off.

Seems that way of doing business has become the accepted "New Norm" these days.

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