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Flapjack

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Hello Will,
I am building a cabin in interior Alaska; I want to assemble a 24v system using an all in one mpp controller similar to the one you used in a video.
I want to use a Honda generator/inverter as a backup but as I am new to this arena I need. Some direction on where to learn how to properly balance the generator’s size to the rest of the system.
Could you please direct me to a book or video where I can learn about this. I am interested in something in the neighborhood of 2400 to 3000 watt “all in one” controller, such as the mpp 2424 you used in one of your videos.
I apologize for my lack of proper terminology.
I must say, I have watched a number of your videos on your you tube channel and you do an excellent job at speaking on a level that facilitates understanding and learning. I did take courses in physics in college but it has been a loooong time ago. You are an excellent teacher.
Thank you for any information!
Best wishes,
Mark
 
Welcome to the forum.

Will's pretty busy.

Assuming you're looking at this:


If you look at the datasheet, it says it has a 60A AC charger.

60A * 28V (24V near full) = 1680W, i.e., that's the MAXIMUM power it can pull from ANY AC source - grid or generator.

On that basis, I would select a 2,000W generator. Running a generator at 70-80% generally puts you near the peak efficiency of the generator.
 
Thank you Snoobler!
That info clears up my question.
I do not wish to abuse your generosity;
I have watched a number of Will’s videos on building batteries from cells that are available on line and would like, in the interest of saving money while also getting a quality battery, to build a battery.
I would need approximately 2000 amp hours. Some of the videos I have watched are 1 or 2 years old;
Could you please suggest a place for me to start looking at cells or kits that include an appropriate BMS? I am interested LiFePo4.
I believe I can manage when it comes to the solar collection panel array as I have enjoyed several of Will’s videos regarding total voltage and amperage from the solar panels in series and parallel connection.
Thank you again.
Also, Will has mentioned his store regarding hardware connections. Could you provide me with the link?
With gratitude!
Mark
 
2000Ah @ 24V?

2000Ah * 25.6V = 51,200 Wh

That's a very very big battery. DIY LFP will run you around $7500.
 
2000Ah @ 24V?

2000Ah * 25.6V = 51,200 Wh

That's a very very big battery. DIY LFP will run you around $7500.
This just show little I know as I misspoke.
I actually mean 2kwhours and not 2000amp hours; apologies.
 
Welcome to the Forum,

A 24V System can support an Inverter up to 4000W + Surge. At 4000W, that is 166A Amps being pulled from the Battery Pack.
I am also Offgrid in the North (not as far up as you) running a 24V/4000W system with 2Kw of panels. You can have a peek at the "About my system" link in my signature on more details about my setup. I do not run an AIO (All-In-One) system like MPP or Growatt.

I use a Generator in winter on those low sun days (hoping I can solve that this year) to charge my Battery Bank. My Bank was 910AH/23kWh which for me is 6 days runtime in "conserve" mode. I am reconfiguring my battery bank now, bringing it to 1190AH/30kWh for 7.5 days autonomy. My Samlex Inverter/Charger is capable of pushing 100A Charge rate but I've set this to 80A to keep things nice & reasonable. When using my Genset, it is pulling 120V/22A to 25A (it floats due to Pass-Through power being provided to Cabin) from the L5:30 (120V/30A) plug. NB My AC system is 120VAC only as I have no need for 240VAC. The Samlex Inverter is 120V only as is its charging input.

A Generator needs to be sized so that it can deliver as much Volts/Amps as required by the Charging System. All-In-Ones can be either 120V or 240V, they can take either 120V/240V for charging depending on model. There should also be an Overhead Margin so you do not run the generator at its maximum generating capacity (that will only hasten its demise) Therefore I suggest a model that has a minimum of 1000W more Running Watts that is required to fully support your charging system. So if the Charger requires 120V/2500W/21A the Genset should be at least a 3500W "Running Watts" unit. Also if your system has Pass-Through power, meaning it can charge batteries AND provide power to the AC Circuits as well, that amp demand will go up and fluctuate during use.

NOTE: Not all Generators can be used with an Auto-Start system !
Most systems have AGS (Auto-Generator-Start) capabilities which signals a GSCM (Generator Start Control Module) to start, stop a generator.
Here is a Link to one of the best GSCM's for our usage: http://atkinsonelectronics.com/gscm-mini-60hz-usa-canada/
Link to the PDF DOC which you can search through to see if you have a Compatible Genset. IF the Generator is not listed in there, then it is unlikely that ANY GSCM will work with it... http://atkinsonelectronics.com/content/product_pdfs/All Hookup Diagrams Merged.pdf

Your 1st order of business is to determine how many Amp Hours you use per day. Power Usage Assement.
- This will help determine the sizing of your "basic" battery system
Next, you will have to decide how many days autonomy you want without any charging (solar/genset or other). Most folks go with 3 days but some of us need more due to lack of sunshine in winter...
- This makes sure the battery system is big enough for your needs.
NEXT, once you know the battery size, then you have to figure out how much solar panel it will take to charge that battery bank. This is where it gets trickier because it's hard to replace 5 days of battery use in just "5 hours". This is where you think about 1/3rd charge (for full bank) per full sun day and you have to hedge it a bit. Much depends on your Lowest Sun Hour days and Highest Sun hour days. and how you want to manage that.

Solar System - All in One Systems:
Victron is obviously a Top Brand Tier-1 product. These cost more but the adage of "you get what you pay for" is very true in this instance.
Growatt is both Tier-1 & Tier-2 product levels. These are very good units which are feature rich as well and a Good Dollar Value for the quality.
MPP-Solar is Tier-2 & Tier-3 product. These are also quite good but have a few less features & functions included (a few can be added on at extra $).
Most of these can be "stacked" to increase capacity for both the solar & inversion side.

Given you are Rural & Remote and will not have time to furtle with problems should something go awry, you need / want dependability & reliability. To that end, I will "tell you" to avoid High Frequency (HF) Inverters and stick ONLY to Low Frequency (LF) Inverters. They are more costly (not terribly) and they are far more reliable and can handle 3X Surge rates whereas HF units can only do 2X Surge.
REF:

LESSONS LEARNED:
It is not unusual for people to come up with a guesstimate and say they need 3000W Inverter, assuming that at most the system will only pull that much with your usage. Within a year, about 75% of folks realize they undershot and then upgrade to the next model or two up. That get's expensive really fast PLUS you end up charging battery cables etc and your head will be spinning and Blue Air will be emanating from your mouth ! MRS TOO 99.9% of the Time as well ! (something to always avoid when possible).

Battery to Inverter Cable. I always suggest to folks to go One Size above what is required (no penalty for bigger) so they only have to buy it once, the stuff is crazy pricey. So if you work out the specs and it requires 3/0 Wire to meet the "need" I suggest going with 4/0 which provides more throughput potential and reduced resistance and is also a bit of future proofing. BTDT.

By using a 4000W instead of a 3000W Inverter there is no extra "penalty" to pay for having the "delivering capacity" but can save you much grief. So PLEASE Consider, that a bit bigger then you imagine is not a bad thing, especially if it does not cost you a heap extra.
Examples:
I run my Coffee Maker it pulls 50A from the battery for 6 minutes while brewing (no warmer, it has a thermal insulated carafe).
I run my Microwave (Panasonic 1200W Inverter type) and it pulls 60-70A from teh battery while running.
My GrundFos SQ-5 Deep Well Pump is a 120VAC Soft Start unit, which is 260' deep, pushes to a 50 Gal. Pressure tank then 75' to Cabin. It starts at 550W and stages up to 1100W by the time it reaches the 50-PSI cutoff point. At 1100W it is pulling roughly 45A from the battery bank.

Let me put this another way, 120V/1000W = 8.3A uncorrected. 120V/4000W = 33.3A uncorrected. Deliverable to AC Side.
With a 120V/4000W Inverter, it can only deliver 120 Volts @ 33A at any given time + Surge Handling for motor starts (fridge, AC unit, Pump etc)

To give you an example... As I sit here writing this, my HP EliteDesk i7 PC is running with an LG 47" TV as a screen, a Router, Satelite modem, 2 LED lights, fridge is NOT going and I am using 7.2A off my battery bank, with Fridge running it would be 10.1A. I also have a few wall warts plugged in as well as the idle power on both my On-Demand water heaters.

A GOTCHA that get's New People.
Inverter Efficiency ! That blighter lurks in the wide open. Many of the lower cost "Value" Tier3 & even Tier-2 Inverters are between 84-88 % efficient. Some Tier-2 do better than that, Tier-1 products tend to be more efficient like Victron at 94% or my Samlex at 94%. Believe it or not, that does make a significant difference over a 24 hour period. It is worth getting a higher efficiency unit as that will return that investment with longer battery life (more juice).

Lots to chomp on, Hope it helps, Good Luck
Steve

PS, look at the links in my Signature, a few will likely help you along your path.
 
Welcome to the Forum,

A 24V System can support an Inverter up to 4000W + Surge. At 4000W, that is 166A Amps being pulled from the Battery Pack.
I am also Offgrid in the North (not as far up as you) running a 24V/4000W system with 2Kw of panels. You can have a peek at the "About my system" link in my signature on more details about my setup. I do not run an AIO (All-In-One) system like MPP or Growatt.

I use a Generator in winter on those low sun days (hoping I can solve that this year) to charge my Battery Bank. My Bank was 910AH/23kWh which for me is 6 days runtime in "conserve" mode. I am reconfiguring my battery bank now, bringing it to 1190AH/30kWh for 7.5 days autonomy. My Samlex Inverter/Charger is capable of pushing 100A Charge rate but I've set this to 80A to keep things nice & reasonable. When using my Genset, it is pulling 120V/22A to 25A (it floats due to Pass-Through power being provided to Cabin) from the L5:30 (120V/30A) plug. NB My AC system is 120VAC only as I have no need for 240VAC. The Samlex Inverter is 120V only as is its charging input.

A Generator needs to be sized so that it can deliver as much Volts/Amps as required by the Charging System. All-In-Ones can be either 120V or 240V, they can take either 120V/240V for charging depending on model. There should also be an Overhead Margin so you do not run the generator at its maximum generating capacity (that will only hasten its demise) Therefore I suggest a model that has a minimum of 1000W more Running Watts that is required to fully support your charging system. So if the Charger requires 120V/2500W/21A the Genset should be at least a 3500W "Running Watts" unit. Also if your system has Pass-Through power, meaning it can charge batteries AND provide power to the AC Circuits as well, that amp demand will go up and fluctuate during use.

NOTE: Not all Generators can be used with an Auto-Start system !
Most systems have AGS (Auto-Generator-Start) capabilities which signals a GSCM (Generator Start Control Module) to start, stop a generator.
Here is a Link to one of the best GSCM's for our usage: http://atkinsonelectronics.com/gscm-mini-60hz-usa-canada/
Link to the PDF DOC which you can search through to see if you have a Compatible Genset. IF the Generator is not listed in there, then it is unlikely that ANY GSCM will work with it... http://atkinsonelectronics.com/content/product_pdfs/All Hookup Diagrams Merged.pdf

Your 1st order of business is to determine how many Amp Hours you use per day. Power Usage Assement.
- This will help determine the sizing of your "basic" battery system
Next, you will have to decide how many days autonomy you want without any charging (solar/genset or other). Most folks go with 3 days but some of us need more due to lack of sunshine in winter...
- This makes sure the battery system is big enough for your needs.
NEXT, once you know the battery size, then you have to figure out how much solar panel it will take to charge that battery bank. This is where it gets trickier because it's hard to replace 5 days of battery use in just "5 hours". This is where you think about 1/3rd charge (for full bank) per full sun day and you have to hedge it a bit. Much depends on your Lowest Sun Hour days and Highest Sun hour days. and how you want to manage that.

Solar System - All in One Systems:
Victron is obviously a Top Brand Tier-1 product. These cost more but the adage of "you get what you pay for" is very true in this instance.
Growatt is both Tier-1 & Tier-2 product levels. These are very good units which are feature rich as well and a Good Dollar Value for the quality.
MPP-Solar is Tier-2 & Tier-3 product. These are also quite good but have a few less features & functions included (a few can be added on at extra $).
Most of these can be "stacked" to increase capacity for both the solar & inversion side.

Given you are Rural & Remote and will not have time to furtle with problems should something go awry, you need / want dependability & reliability. To that end, I will "tell you" to avoid High Frequency (HF) Inverters and stick ONLY to Low Frequency (LF) Inverters. They are more costly (not terribly) and they are far more reliable and can handle 3X Surge rates whereas HF units can only do 2X Surge.
REF:

LESSONS LEARNED:
It is not unusual for people to come up with a guesstimate and say they need 3000W Inverter, assuming that at most the system will only pull that much with your usage. Within a year, about 75% of folks realize they undershot and then upgrade to the next model or two up. That get's expensive really fast PLUS you end up charging battery cables etc and your head will be spinning and Blue Air will be emanating from your mouth ! MRS TOO 99.9% of the Time as well ! (something to always avoid when possible).

Battery to Inverter Cable. I always suggest to folks to go One Size above what is required (no penalty for bigger) so they only have to buy it once, the stuff is crazy pricey. So if you work out the specs and it requires 3/0 Wire to meet the "need" I suggest going with 4/0 which provides more throughput potential and reduced resistance and is also a bit of future proofing. BTDT.

By using a 4000W instead of a 3000W Inverter there is no extra "penalty" to pay for having the "delivering capacity" but can save you much grief. So PLEASE Consider, that a bit bigger then you imagine is not a bad thing, especially if it does not cost you a heap extra.
Examples:
I run my Coffee Maker it pulls 50A from the battery for 6 minutes while brewing (no warmer, it has a thermal insulated carafe).
I run my Microwave (Panasonic 1200W Inverter type) and it pulls 60-70A from teh battery while running.
My GrundFos SQ-5 Deep Well Pump is a 120VAC Soft Start unit, which is 260' deep, pushes to a 50 Gal. Pressure tank then 75' to Cabin. It starts at 550W and stages up to 1100W by the time it reaches the 50-PSI cutoff point. At 1100W it is pulling roughly 45A from the battery bank.

Let me put this another way, 120V/1000W = 8.3A uncorrected. 120V/4000W = 33.3A uncorrected. Deliverable to AC Side.
With a 120V/4000W Inverter, it can only deliver 120 Volts @ 33A at any given time + Surge Handling for motor starts (fridge, AC unit, Pump etc)

To give you an example... As I sit here writing this, my HP EliteDesk i7 PC is running with an LG 47" TV as a screen, a Router, Satelite modem, 2 LED lights, fridge is NOT going and I am using 7.2A off my battery bank, with Fridge running it would be 10.1A. I also have a few wall warts plugged in as well as the idle power on both my On-Demand water heaters.

A GOTCHA that get's New People.
Inverter Efficiency ! That blighter lurks in the wide open. Many of the lower cost "Value" Tier3 & even Tier-2 Inverters are between 84-88 % efficient. Some Tier-2 do better than that, Tier-1 products tend to be more efficient like Victron at 94% or my Samlex at 94%. Believe it or not, that does make a significant difference over a 24 hour period. It is worth getting a higher efficiency unit as that will return that investment with longer battery life (more juice).

Lots to chomp on, Hope it helps, Good Luck
Steve

PS, look at the links in my Signature, a few will likely help you along your path.
Hello,
Thank you. All of you who have taken the time to read and respond to my questions.
I appreciate the information!
Aopologies for such a lengthy delay in my response; lots of life between last time and now. Getting back to the plan now.
Thank you again..
Stay safe and be well,
Flapjack
 
Welcome to the Forum,

A 24V System can support an Inverter up to 4000W + Surge. At 4000W, that is 166A Amps being pulled from the Battery Pack.
I am also Offgrid in the North (not as far up as you) running a 24V/4000W system with 2Kw of panels. You can have a peek at the "About my system" link in my signature on more details about my setup. I do not run an AIO (All-In-One) system like MPP or Growatt.

I use a Generator in winter on those low sun days (hoping I can solve that this year) to charge my Battery Bank. My Bank was 910AH/23kWh which for me is 6 days runtime in "conserve" mode. I am reconfiguring my battery bank now, bringing it to 1190AH/30kWh for 7.5 days autonomy. My Samlex Inverter/Charger is capable of pushing 100A Charge rate but I've set this to 80A to keep things nice & reasonable. When using my Genset, it is pulling 120V/22A to 25A (it floats due to Pass-Through power being provided to Cabin) from the L5:30 (120V/30A) plug. NB My AC system is 120VAC only as I have no need for 240VAC. The Samlex Inverter is 120V only as is its charging input.

A Generator needs to be sized so that it can deliver as much Volts/Amps as required by the Charging System. All-In-Ones can be either 120V or 240V, they can take either 120V/240V for charging depending on model. There should also be an Overhead Margin so you do not run the generator at its maximum generating capacity (that will only hasten its demise) Therefore I suggest a model that has a minimum of 1000W more Running Watts that is required to fully support your charging system. So if the Charger requires 120V/2500W/21A the Genset should be at least a 3500W "Running Watts" unit. Also if your system has Pass-Through power, meaning it can charge batteries AND provide power to the AC Circuits as well, that amp demand will go up and fluctuate during use.

NOTE: Not all Generators can be used with an Auto-Start system !
Most systems have AGS (Auto-Generator-Start) capabilities which signals a GSCM (Generator Start Control Module) to start, stop a generator.
Here is a Link to one of the best GSCM's for our usage: http://atkinsonelectronics.com/gscm-mini-60hz-usa-canada/
Link to the PDF DOC which you can search through to see if you have a Compatible Genset. IF the Generator is not listed in there, then it is unlikely that ANY GSCM will work with it... http://atkinsonelectronics.com/content/product_pdfs/All Hookup Diagrams Merged.pdf

Your 1st order of business is to determine how many Amp Hours you use per day. Power Usage Assement.
- This will help determine the sizing of your "basic" battery system
Next, you will have to decide how many days autonomy you want without any charging (solar/genset or other). Most folks go with 3 days but some of us need more due to lack of sunshine in winter...
- This makes sure the battery system is big enough for your needs.
NEXT, once you know the battery size, then you have to figure out how much solar panel it will take to charge that battery bank. This is where it gets trickier because it's hard to replace 5 days of battery use in just "5 hours". This is where you think about 1/3rd charge (for full bank) per full sun day and you have to hedge it a bit. Much depends on your Lowest Sun Hour days and Highest Sun hour days. and how you want to manage that.

Solar System - All in One Systems:
Victron is obviously a Top Brand Tier-1 product. These cost more but the adage of "you get what you pay for" is very true in this instance.
Growatt is both Tier-1 & Tier-2 product levels. These are very good units which are feature rich as well and a Good Dollar Value for the quality.
MPP-Solar is Tier-2 & Tier-3 product. These are also quite good but have a few less features & functions included (a few can be added on at extra $).
Most of these can be "stacked" to increase capacity for both the solar & inversion side.

Given you are Rural & Remote and will not have time to furtle with problems should something go awry, you need / want dependability & reliability. To that end, I will "tell you" to avoid High Frequency (HF) Inverters and stick ONLY to Low Frequency (LF) Inverters. They are more costly (not terribly) and they are far more reliable and can handle 3X Surge rates whereas HF units can only do 2X Surge.
REF:

LESSONS LEARNED:
It is not unusual for people to come up with a guesstimate and say they need 3000W Inverter, assuming that at most the system will only pull that much with your usage. Within a year, about 75% of folks realize they undershot and then upgrade to the next model or two up. That get's expensive really fast PLUS you end up charging battery cables etc and your head will be spinning and Blue Air will be emanating from your mouth ! MRS TOO 99.9% of the Time as well ! (something to always avoid when possible).

Battery to Inverter Cable. I always suggest to folks to go One Size above what is required (no penalty for bigger) so they only have to buy it once, the stuff is crazy pricey. So if you work out the specs and it requires 3/0 Wire to meet the "need" I suggest going with 4/0 which provides more throughput potential and reduced resistance and is also a bit of future proofing. BTDT.

By using a 4000W instead of a 3000W Inverter there is no extra "penalty" to pay for having the "delivering capacity" but can save you much grief. So PLEASE Consider, that a bit bigger then you imagine is not a bad thing, especially if it does not cost you a heap extra.
Examples:
I run my Coffee Maker it pulls 50A from the battery for 6 minutes while brewing (no warmer, it has a thermal insulated carafe).
I run my Microwave (Panasonic 1200W Inverter type) and it pulls 60-70A from teh battery while running.
My GrundFos SQ-5 Deep Well Pump is a 120VAC Soft Start unit, which is 260' deep, pushes to a 50 Gal. Pressure tank then 75' to Cabin. It starts at 550W and stages up to 1100W by the time it reaches the 50-PSI cutoff point. At 1100W it is pulling roughly 45A from the battery bank.

Let me put this another way, 120V/1000W = 8.3A uncorrected. 120V/4000W = 33.3A uncorrected. Deliverable to AC Side.
With a 120V/4000W Inverter, it can only deliver 120 Volts @ 33A at any given time + Surge Handling for motor starts (fridge, AC unit, Pump etc)

To give you an example... As I sit here writing this, my HP EliteDesk i7 PC is running with an LG 47" TV as a screen, a Router, Satelite modem, 2 LED lights, fridge is NOT going and I am using 7.2A off my battery bank, with Fridge running it would be 10.1A. I also have a few wall warts plugged in as well as the idle power on both my On-Demand water heaters.

A GOTCHA that get's New People.
Inverter Efficiency ! That blighter lurks in the wide open. Many of the lower cost "Value" Tier3 & even Tier-2 Inverters are between 84-88 % efficient. Some Tier-2 do better than that, Tier-1 products tend to be more efficient like Victron at 94% or my Samlex at 94%. Believe it or not, that does make a significant difference over a 24 hour period. It is worth getting a higher efficiency unit as that will return that investment with longer battery life (more juice).

Lots to chomp on, Hope it helps, Good Luck
Steve

PS, look at the links in my Signature, a few will likely help you along your path.
Thank you, Steve. This very helpful!
 
Welcome to the Forum,

A 24V System can support an Inverter up to 4000W + Surge. At 4000W, that is 166A Amps being pulled from the Battery Pack.
I am also Offgrid in the North (not as far up as you) running a 24V/4000W system with 2Kw of panels. You can have a peek at the "About my system" link in my signature on more details about my setup. I do not run an AIO (All-In-One) system like MPP or Growatt.

I use a Generator in winter on those low sun days (hoping I can solve that this year) to charge my Battery Bank. My Bank was 910AH/23kWh which for me is 6 days runtime in "conserve" mode. I am reconfiguring my battery bank now, bringing it to 1190AH/30kWh for 7.5 days autonomy. My Samlex Inverter/Charger is capable of pushing 100A Charge rate but I've set this to 80A to keep things nice & reasonable. When using my Genset, it is pulling 120V/22A to 25A (it floats due to Pass-Through power being provided to Cabin) from the L5:30 (120V/30A) plug. NB My AC system is 120VAC only as I have no need for 240VAC. The Samlex Inverter is 120V only as is its charging input.

A Generator needs to be sized so that it can deliver as much Volts/Amps as required by the Charging System. All-In-Ones can be either 120V or 240V, they can take either 120V/240V for charging depending on model. There should also be an Overhead Margin so you do not run the generator at its maximum generating capacity (that will only hasten its demise) Therefore I suggest a model that has a minimum of 1000W more Running Watts that is required to fully support your charging system. So if the Charger requires 120V/2500W/21A the Genset should be at least a 3500W "Running Watts" unit. Also if your system has Pass-Through power, meaning it can charge batteries AND provide power to the AC Circuits as well, that amp demand will go up and fluctuate during use.

NOTE: Not all Generators can be used with an Auto-Start system !
Most systems have AGS (Auto-Generator-Start) capabilities which signals a GSCM (Generator Start Control Module) to start, stop a generator.
Here is a Link to one of the best GSCM's for our usage: http://atkinsonelectronics.com/gscm-mini-60hz-usa-canada/
Link to the PDF DOC which you can search through to see if you have a Compatible Genset. IF the Generator is not listed in there, then it is unlikely that ANY GSCM will work with it... http://atkinsonelectronics.com/content/product_pdfs/All Hookup Diagrams Merged.pdf

Your 1st order of business is to determine how many Amp Hours you use per day. Power Usage Assement.
- This will help determine the sizing of your "basic" battery system
Next, you will have to decide how many days autonomy you want without any charging (solar/genset or other). Most folks go with 3 days but some of us need more due to lack of sunshine in winter...
- This makes sure the battery system is big enough for your needs.
NEXT, once you know the battery size, then you have to figure out how much solar panel it will take to charge that battery bank. This is where it gets trickier because it's hard to replace 5 days of battery use in just "5 hours". This is where you think about 1/3rd charge (for full bank) per full sun day and you have to hedge it a bit. Much depends on your Lowest Sun Hour days and Highest Sun hour days. and how you want to manage that.

Solar System - All in One Systems:
Victron is obviously a Top Brand Tier-1 product. These cost more but the adage of "you get what you pay for" is very true in this instance.
Growatt is both Tier-1 & Tier-2 product levels. These are very good units which are feature rich as well and a Good Dollar Value for the quality.
MPP-Solar is Tier-2 & Tier-3 product. These are also quite good but have a few less features & functions included (a few can be added on at extra $).
Most of these can be "stacked" to increase capacity for both the solar & inversion side.

Given you are Rural & Remote and will not have time to furtle with problems should something go awry, you need / want dependability & reliability. To that end, I will "tell you" to avoid High Frequency (HF) Inverters and stick ONLY to Low Frequency (LF) Inverters. They are more costly (not terribly) and they are far more reliable and can handle 3X Surge rates whereas HF units can only do 2X Surge.
REF:

LESSONS LEARNED:
It is not unusual for people to come up with a guesstimate and say they need 3000W Inverter, assuming that at most the system will only pull that much with your usage. Within a year, about 75% of folks realize they undershot and then upgrade to the next model or two up. That get's expensive really fast PLUS you end up charging battery cables etc and your head will be spinning and Blue Air will be emanating from your mouth ! MRS TOO 99.9% of the Time as well ! (something to always avoid when possible).

Battery to Inverter Cable. I always suggest to folks to go One Size above what is required (no penalty for bigger) so they only have to buy it once, the stuff is crazy pricey. So if you work out the specs and it requires 3/0 Wire to meet the "need" I suggest going with 4/0 which provides more throughput potential and reduced resistance and is also a bit of future proofing. BTDT.

By using a 4000W instead of a 3000W Inverter there is no extra "penalty" to pay for having the "delivering capacity" but can save you much grief. So PLEASE Consider, that a bit bigger then you imagine is not a bad thing, especially if it does not cost you a heap extra.
Examples:
I run my Coffee Maker it pulls 50A from the battery for 6 minutes while brewing (no warmer, it has a thermal insulated carafe).
I run my Microwave (Panasonic 1200W Inverter type) and it pulls 60-70A from teh battery while running.
My GrundFos SQ-5 Deep Well Pump is a 120VAC Soft Start unit, which is 260' deep, pushes to a 50 Gal. Pressure tank then 75' to Cabin. It starts at 550W and stages up to 1100W by the time it reaches the 50-PSI cutoff point. At 1100W it is pulling roughly 45A from the battery bank.

Let me put this another way, 120V/1000W = 8.3A uncorrected. 120V/4000W = 33.3A uncorrected. Deliverable to AC Side.
With a 120V/4000W Inverter, it can only deliver 120 Volts @ 33A at any given time + Surge Handling for motor starts (fridge, AC unit, Pump etc)

To give you an example... As I sit here writing this, my HP EliteDesk i7 PC is running with an LG 47" TV as a screen, a Router, Satelite modem, 2 LED lights, fridge is NOT going and I am using 7.2A off my battery bank, with Fridge running it would be 10.1A. I also have a few wall warts plugged in as well as the idle power on both my On-Demand water heaters.

A GOTCHA that get's New People.
Inverter Efficiency ! That blighter lurks in the wide open. Many of the lower cost "Value" Tier3 & even Tier-2 Inverters are between 84-88 % efficient. Some Tier-2 do better than that, Tier-1 products tend to be more efficient like Victron at 94% or my Samlex at 94%. Believe it or not, that does make a significant difference over a 24 hour period. It is worth getting a higher efficiency unit as that will return that investment with longer battery life (more juice).

Lots to chomp on, Hope it helps, Good Luck
Steve

PS, look at the links in my Signature, a few will likely help you along your path.
Hi Steve, this information is exactly what i needed.
 
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