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Solar controller for battery bank which is also fed by 40A charger

Liz_F

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The guys have an old 43-watt panel mounted to the family cabin, for keeping a 300AH (3x100AH) 12V lead-acid deep cycle marine battery bank topped off. This is at a remote location in northern WI, and the cabin can go for months with no-one visiting it.
When in-use, the cabin is primarily powered by a generator. The cabin's power is then fed via 40A charger (StatPower TrueCharge 40+amp multi-stage battery charger) to the 300AH backup battery bank, so that the batteries can power the fridge and etc. at night, when the generator is off.
The old solar controller was probably an 8-10 amp PWM, which doesn't seem to be working. (Don't know if it ever was... Plus, that setup had originally came off an RV, so I don't think it has much else in the way of grounds or fusing, either.)
The guys, and other people using the cabin, would prefer to not have to manually switch between feeds. Thus, if ordering a replacement controller, I'm concerned about the potential for feeding from that 40A charger. Do I need to order a 40A+ controller, or can I stick with a smaller controller with backfeed protection? I presume, at a bare-minimum, an added fuse between the controller and batteries would also be wise; but then that might need to be 40A+, as well? (And if 40A bleeds into the solar setup, are those wires and everything else capable of handling it? Or should there not really be reason for that 40A to be trying to travel through the solar end of things?) Or might there be something simple--like a blocking diode or automatic switch or something--which could perhaps be added, to help insure against this?
I understand some basics, but this situation is totally beyond my experience, and I want to try to keep the setup as safe as possible.
Thanks for your help! :)
(P.S. As a secondary question, the guys also have a small automotive-type non-controlled amorphous solar panel connected to the generator's battery 24/7, as a trickle charger. On paper, that should be 6 watts, 15V, .4A, and not "require" a controller; however, when the guys checked, it seems to be kicking out much higher voltage; even over 20V... Thoughts on safety--and battery health--if leaving this hooked up to that generator battery, all the time? Should I get them a different trickle charger, with a controller? Any concerns a small controller might get damaged, if left hooked up when generator is started?)
 
You can have multiple chargers hooked to a battery. They will split the charging duties and so long as they are not craptastic devices like your panel/maintainer that outputs 20vDC nothing will damage each other.

Yes you should upgrade your SCC to a MPPT style*. I would also upgrade your panels, you can pick up new 100w for $40-50 and free shipping. Or find a used larger watt panel for even cheaper. Heck I would give you 4-100w panels I have in storage for free if you lived in AR and could come pick them up.

* Be aware that there is many fraudulent labeled PWM controllers as MPPT in the budget SCC segment. Pretty much if you see a plugin on it for a USB device it is not MPPT.
 
Thanks! Useful tips, and it would definitely be wise to upgrade!...
And, just so I'm sure: There are then no particular solar controller- or fuse-sizing concerns at all, re. potential backfeeding from that 40A charger on the cabin's battery bank?? (And, as far as that other, separate Q: No worries if leaving a small controlled trickle charge on the generator battery, even when generator starts/runs?)
I'm just being a worry-wort?? lol
(Wish I lived close enough to to take you up on that panel offer!) :D
 
Thanks! Useful tips, and it would definitely be wise to upgrade!...
And, just so I'm sure: There are then no particular solar controller- or fuse-sizing concerns at all, re. potential backfeeding from that 40A charger on the cabin's battery bank?? (And, as far as that other, separate Q: No worries if leaving a small controlled trickle charge on the generator battery, even when generator starts/runs?)
I'm just being a worry-wort?? lol
(Wish I lived close enough to to take you up on that panel offer!) :D


Charger and mppt have a one way charge function.
Means it can not go back in to the charger function part that handel the charge it self.
The power part to operate in a mppt or charger .
That part can draw power from a battery but its design for that part .
So even if you start a generator it have the same volts output like a charger.
So nothing go happens.
Same if you have a charger on your battery and start you car .
The alternator kick in and the charger wil stop or help with charging if both have the same volts output .
 

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