teal95
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Freewill, Rush
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Solar tariffs + tax credit = illogical?
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chill633
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Last quarter 22% of auto buyers signed up for an 84 month loan. Also, 19% committed to a monthly payment of $1,000 or more. Yes, I think that's a bad sign economically.
Daddy Tanuki
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two words, nuclear power... the greenest power option out there at this time.
RvNaut
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I beg to differ.. it pollutes... forever... we can't take a fish from the ocean without a trace of our nuke activity.. Fukishima? Chernoble? #-Mile Island and then there are the f-ups the military did that we were never told about... Nuke is not clean and it is not safe.....
Daddy Tanuki
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your opinion, no more valid nor less than mine. The ocean itself has a high background radiation level simply due to the iodine that is part and partial of saltwater. everything you post are simply your opinion and your facts are almost always from industry "experts" that get paid to push an agenda. just like the whole covid debacle.
DougL
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Maybe there are too many people who think they'll be getting DOGE rebates so buy big or go home.
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Sorry.. .it is fact.
Michigan Solar and ESS
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I don't disagree. Some nuclear is part of the solution. Coal and oil are primitive and costly to society.
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Maybe we could use coal and oil on the moon.. all the badness could just float away into outer space.
AH Trimble
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"illogical"???? When has the government and politicians ever done anything logical?
Daddy Tanuki
Emperor Of Solar
I would for the most part agree, how ever they were what bootstrapped us through the last century. alarmists raised the nuclear boogeyman and stupid legislators listened to them. nuclear could have bootstrapped us to the next truely clean power with things like solar and hydro helping to fill the gap until then. that would be some form of fusion hopefully that is clean...who knows, too many alarmists (read politicians trying to control via fear) have stopped us and put us in a losing position vis a vis time.
DougL
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and today, with the help of the IOUs, automotive unions and dealerships it's the fear of Lithium batteries. But not to just limit the move to EVs but also to prevent energy storage near population areas. Including rooftop solar PV.
Today, the nuclear energy alarmists might have more of a fight with communications as they are now. IIRC it was more the environmentalists rather than other groups. But it was also a crazed industry with massively expensive power plants each uniquely designed.
AH Trimble
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You make a great point. Just look at the US Navy standardized nuke power plants...LOTS of 'em. And how many release accidents has the Navy had?
Daddy Tanuki
Emperor Of Solar
they had a few at the start, but that was a long long time ago. new procedures, standards and an absolute adherence to following the rules corrected all of the issues they had at its inception .
DougL
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and San Onofre? Where standard wear on generator plumbing after 30+ years of operating but owners wanted another 10% from it so hired out a redesign while insisting it cost less than $200 million. The $200 million was a threshold for NRC engineering review. Hired company said they couldn't do it, games were played, it was done for under $200 million and then the new system failed in weeks of going online. So the owner swung a private deal with the State PUC and the power plant was decommissioned at the public's expense.
I don't like big government but I like big business far more. Seems odd there are not more nukes around, especially with the coming energy frenzy looming.
Daddy Tanuki
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yes well your state wil be the poster child for no power... so let us know how it goes... the rest of us are watching in interest.
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Maine Yankee... spent fuel still sitting on site, 100' from a river and the ocean.... profiteers ran off with the profits and left tax payers with the garbage.... ran for 25 years.. plumbing deteriorated and needed replacing.... they ran away rather than rejuvenate... nuke has been and will be a boondoggle... billions poured into it and no benefit to the people, but lots of profits for the builders and operators.. Maine Yankee was built with the bullshit line of "energy to cheap to meter".... a big fat lie and they knew it...
robbob2112
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Well, to answer both problems -- thorium reactors -- They stopped developing those in the 50s because the waste product couldn't produce material for nuclear weapons --- China says they are currently working to scale them up to full size and generate power from them -- Waste products with short half lives and far less danger than any sort of uranium based nuclear reactor ---
Molten-salt reactor - Wikipedia
Thorium Reactors: Fact and Fiction
These next-generation reactors have attracted a nearly cultish following. Here are the real facts.
skeptoid.com
One problem with uranium based nuclear is they are still using tech designed in the 1960's and implemented in the '70s and '80s with very little change --- it takes so long to get things through the approval process that changes are slow and hard to do--- If they choose this path they would need to come up with enterally new control systems but that takes time -- and for those that don't know - electronics don't typically react well in high radiation environments so everything has to be hardened and checked and backed up and be redundant and manual overrides that work have to be present.. I haven't ever worked around nuclear power but I researched it once shortly after they sent a drone into the three mile island reactor that melted --- and also Chernobyl and its surrounding issues...
Costs are high if something goes wrong with a uranium cycle reactor verse thorium .... of course there is a lot of R&D before it can be used commercially but there is to modernize uranium/plutonium reactors as well.
chill633
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Late last month the governor of New York announced that she had approved a 1+ GW nuclear reactor to be built in the state. It will be in upstate New York.
Now the fun begins. They're researching technologies and looking for specific sites, etc. It will be years before this is completed if not decades.
Now the fun begins. They're researching technologies and looking for specific sites, etc. It will be years before this is completed if not decades.
AH Trimble
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Do you know of any that resulted in injuries, damage, or deaths?
Do you know where could I find that list of accidents/releases?
H
How can nuclear power be financially viable in a free or unregulated market?
I’m neither opposed to nuclear power nor in favour of an unregulated energy market, but it's worth noting that while nuclear power in China is cheaper than in the U.S., it still costs more per kWh than solar. Given this, how can nuclear compete financially in a market that doesn’t provide the same level of government support or regulation?
The reason I bring this up is that while New York is currently a democrat state, in the US there seems to be significant opposition to government intervention in the free market.
How can nuclear power be financially viable in a free or unregulated market?
I’m neither opposed to nuclear power nor in favour of an unregulated energy market, but it's worth noting that while nuclear power in China is cheaper than in the U.S., it still costs more per kWh than solar. Given this, how can nuclear compete financially in a market that doesn’t provide the same level of government support or regulation?
The reason I bring this up is that while New York is currently a democrat state, in the US there seems to be significant opposition to government intervention in the free market.
chill633
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By placing a value on stable, committed base load production as a floor. They can compete with other non-intermittent producers including coal, oil, gas, battery, and others. Nuclear has a very high capacity factor, but we also need to take into account downtime, both planned and unplanned. NERC publishes a State of Reliability Report (2024 report) that provides a breakdown by fuel type. Nuclear regularly spanks the other conventional fuel types:
The average lifespan of a power plant varies significantly by fuel type. Hydropower plants generally last the longest, often around 50-70 years, while coal plants typically operate for 40-60 years, and natural gas plants have a shorter lifespan, often around 30-40 years. Nuclear power plants can be designed for 40 years, but with license extensions, can operate for 60-80 years.
All of this needs to be taken into account for long-term planning. Add to that you just can't slap hydropower anywhere you like, you have to have a good river -- and we've already exhausted most of those of any size -- and you have to look elsewhere. While solar can be very quick to deploy for generation, we're again talking 24/7 base load production, and I don't believe we have enough data, yet, on solar + storage reliability and lifespan to compare apples-to-apples. But, with its cheap cost and rapid deployment timeframe, we're certainly going to be finding out.
While I'm all for wind and solar, I believe the studies that show 100% is unattainable are accurate. However, as the linked video below sums up, it is that last 5% that is the killer. 95% is realistically attainable.
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Who paid for the study?
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