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The Admin now to carve back $6 Billion in funds intended for poorer and middle class residential solar

teal95 said:
All of those NGOs are just like the Clinton Foundation. 99.9% of the money goes to executive salaries. (How much is Chelsea being paid?). About 50¢ goes to the actual target.
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It's good work if you can get it.
 
I remember when Ted Kennedy died and they were going on and on about how much he "gave to the community", including being on the board of United Way. It turned out UW was paying him $500k each year for being on the board. In the 10 years they had been paying him he hadn't attended a single meeting that they had quarterly, despite them paying for hotels and plane tickets for him.
 
Daddy Tanuki said:
no there are none, unless they make spinner styled wheels with solar cells embedded to recharge the cars batteries none of those dazzling urbanites nor their close cousins the trailer trash will have anything to do with it.

it is a scam just like 90% of the build back better BS from Biden.

you are not wrong.
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I also thought it was a big scam by the non-conservative government. I refused to consider the so-called "alternative energy tax cut," even though my bookkeeping service recommended it. I see it as my patriotic duty not to pay "my fair share" in taxes. I believe that without people like me, the Federal government wouldn't be able to fund programs for those who don't contribute their fair share.

Additionally, policies like "no tax on tips (under $25,000)" and "no tax on Social Security (under $150,000)," along with removing all babies and people over 120 years old from Social Security payrolls, wouldn't even be possible if President Trump and Congress hadn't eliminated "tax breaks programs and NGOs."
 
IdaHome said:
Not only is the residential tax credit now ending this year but funds that were available and already funded by Congress are going to be carved back. The target - those on the lower end of the economic ladder.

I am happy to discuss efficiency and effectiveness of any policy but this is all so frustrating. This is the Solar for All program. Again, let’s discuss it’s effectiveness and fix it not work to kill solar anyway possible.

It’s so counter-productive to best practice and policy. Again, as argued in a previous post - we are our own worst enemy when it comes to solar. We are ceding the future of alternative power to countries we shouldn’t give such significant economic victories.

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Why ask why. We knew this would happen. Trump is getting hundreds of millions from big oil, so this is what you get.
Sorry if this is news to anyone.
 
1) They were campaign funds, not HIS funds, so he isn't getting it, the campaign did.
2) Politicians (on BOTH sides) ask for campaign donations all the time, with a "sell" so to speak that their policies would be beneficial to them.
3) Trump has long been not a fan of the green new scam for years, long before any sort of "deal" with them (which this is not). This is nothing new, and they weren't paying anything to him before.

Take your fake outrage elsewhere.
 
From Google AI, neither one is innocent. Harris was ranked behind only to Trump in contributions from oil and gas. Take your fake outrage elsewhere, they are all dirty, even the "green" promoters.

As of late 2024, Vice President Kamala Harris's campaign has received more than $1.3 million in contributions from the oil and gas industry. This has occurred despite her 2019 pledge not to accept more than $200 from fossil fuel entities.
Key details about her contributions from the oil and gas industry:
  • Total industry contributions: During the 2024 election cycle, the oil and gas industry contributed $1.4 million to Harris's campaign, according to OpenSecrets. This includes donations originally given to the Biden campaign before she became the Democratic nominee.
  • Significant donors: Two of the largest contributions from oil executives came from Richard Slifka of Global Petroleum and Lee Fikes of Bonanza Oil.
  • Ranking among recipients: As of October 25, 2024, Statista reported that Harris ranked second among recipients of oil and gas donations during the 2023/2024 election cycle, behind only Donald Trump.
  • Comparison to previous stance: Harris pledged in 2019 to reject campaign contributions over $200 from fossil fuel companies. Her 2024 campaign did not clarify whether this pledge still applied or if the recent donations violated it.
  • Difference between campaigns: While both Harris's and Trump's campaigns received significant fossil fuel money, industry contributions to outside groups supporting Trump were 35 times greater than those supporting Harris.
  • Varying campaign messages:
    • Public messaging: Harris has received criticism for the contributions, with some pointing out the contrast with her previous pledge and her focus on climate change.
    • Simultaneous actions: In September 2024, she promoted domestic oil drilling while also emphasizing clean energy and accountability for polluters.
    • Criticism of opponents: Her campaign has also highlighted that Donald Trump relied heavily on support from corporations and oil companies, citing reports that he asked for $1 billion in donations from the industry.
 
Hedges said:
How's that 2A doing for you on your little island?

(or for your neighbors, who are worried about you?)

And we have various exceptions, like for black powder.
Cannon would be good for home defense, how about this for driving around?

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Percussion cap is better than a flint lock.

My luck the AC would blow the powder out of the flash pan.
 
Hedges said:
The costs here are 10x to 40x what you quote.
Building permits 1000x to 4000x.

Could ask the same question about whether it is worth living in a high cost region as you do, vs. Bali, Mexico, etc.

I was born and raised here.

Just out of high school my job paid what would have been $6k/year if full time. Now we're talking like a quarter million.
(still lagging behind Will, but I hope he manages and diversifies what he got well.)
So the goal is to remain here comfortably for the rest of our lives.

I have the largest lot and largest pool in a neighborhood of mansions.
Smallest house. My pool is larger than my house.
Don't use it as much any more. Past couple years I let it be our "lily pond" and we enjoyed the serenade of a frog chorus.

My youngest car is 25 years. My oldest ones predate me.

Hypothetically speaking, if I were to uproot myself and move next door to you, and hypothetically speaking if I had say five million in the bank ... how would you suggest utilizing that for our remaining 30 or 40 years?
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$5,000,000 even in a simple annuity @ 4% would give you $20,000 month for 40 years.

I think you would be alright even in Oakland with that much.
In Iowa probably a good bit better.
 
FWIW, here are the OpenSecrets data on Oil and Gas contributions. It's a helpful website as others have noted on campaign contributions of all kinds. 9 of the top 10 recipients are Republican. 18 of the top 20. Harris is a distant second on the list behind Trump. The next highest Democrat recipient is 13th and is a Congressional candidate from Texas, which makes sense. You'll see that many GOP Congressional candidates are also from oil producing states.

It is worth noting that there is more dark and grey money being contributed beyond these amounts. Since Citizens United and related rulings, it's become far too easy to contribute huge amounts of money to influence our elections without disclosure. That does impact both sides but the GOP has generally taken greater advantage of that type of political activity. (But the Dems aren't innocent either).

What is clear (and I sadly see some comments supporting this on here), too many in the GOP today buy into a lot of anti-Solar and clean energy narratives. Conservatives are so much more likely than Progressives to believe the bad information being peddled about the industry overall. (Progressives for their part are far too likely to believe other false narratives).

The opposition is very clear in this administration - across the board. We see it in the carving back of the legislation that started the post, the killing (often for just punitive reasons with DC's current budget disfunction) of grid-scale solar and wind in recent days, the residential tax credit that has us all spending far too much this year while we still can get that.


It's unfortunate, why give the important industry and economic sector to China? Whatever country really figures out residential and grid-scale solar and clean energy wins big (add the EV industry as well). Future national economic success will not be found in the energy resources of the last century.
 

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IdaHome said:
FWIW, here are the OpenSecrets data on Oil and Gas contributions. It's a helpful website as others have noted on campaign contributions of all kinds. 9 of the top 10 recipients are Republican. 18 of the top 20. Harris is a distant second on the list behind Trump. The next highest Democrat recipient is 13th and is a Congressional candidate from Texas, which makes sense. You'll see that many GOP Congressional candidates are also from oil producing states.

It is worth noting that there is more dark and grey money being contributed beyond these amounts. Since Citizens United and related rulings, it's become far too easy to contribute huge amounts of money to influence our elections without disclosure. That does impact both sides but the GOP has generally taken greater advantage of that type of political activity. (But the Dems aren't innocent either).

What is clear (and I sadly see some comments supporting this on here), too many in the GOP today buy into a lot of anti-Solar and clean energy narratives. Conservatives are so much more likely than Progressives to believe the bad information being peddled about the industry overall. (Progressives for their part are far too likely to believe other false narratives).

The opposition is very clear in this administration - across the board. We see it in the carving back of the legislation that started the post, the killing (often for just punitive reasons with DC's current budget disfunction) of grid-scale solar and wind in recent days, the residential tax credit that has us all spending far too much this year while we still can get that.


It's unfortunate, why give the important industry and economic sector to China? Whatever country really figures out residential and grid-scale solar and clean energy wins big (add the EV industry as well). Future national economic success will not be found in the energy resources of the last century.
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Until batteries get drastically cheaper, solar will always be a small percentage of any electrical generation. And even then, the land requirement would not be feasible for many locations.
 
Danke said:
Until batteries get drastically cheaper, solar will always be a small percentage of any electrical generation. And even then, the land requirement would not be feasible for many locations.
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Put them on the S/W/E side of buildings as siding.
 
Nobodybusiness said:
$5,000,000 even in a simple annuity @ 4% would give you $20,000 month for 40 years.

I think you would be alright even in Oakland with that much.
In Iowa probably a good bit better.
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That would be great, for the early years.

Dollar has been losing half its value every decade. By the end of my golden years, annuity would pay around $1000/month in today's dollars. Less than unemployment benefits, way below poverty line for this area, more like destitute.

In a 0% inflation, 0% interest environment I could do fine just drawing down balance. $5M / 40 years / 12 months = $10,000/month. That is "Low Income" for this area, but I could live on it.

Need investments that roughly track inflation. Spread across the market, drawing as I need, I hope to be OK.
That's exactly what insurance companies do with your annuity purchase, but they pocket the spread between earnings and what they pay you. And keep cash balance in the end.

If I live to the age of my mother, and spend everything I draw, I bounce the check to the undertaker.
If I live to the age of grandparents, I leave a decade's worth to my heirs.


"Understanding Low Income in Santa Clara County
  • Income Threshold:
    For 2025, a single person with an annual income of $111,700 is classified as low income for purposes of affordable housing programs in the county. This limit is for a 1-person household, with higher income thresholds for larger households. "
 
Hedges said:
"Understanding Low Income in Santa Clara County
  • Income Threshold:
    For 2025, a single person with an annual income of $111,700 is classified as low income for purposes of affordable housing programs in the county. This limit is for a 1-person household, with higher income thresholds for larger households. "
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Obviously an annuity is a very very basic vehicle for retirement distribution and most should not use it.

I’m seeing $1 in 2014 equivalent to $1.33 today 36% deflation.

Brother $111,000 anywhere out side of the largest cities is more than enough to survive on even with deflation.

It’s a sad day when $100k a year is “ Poor “ in America.

Most around here surviving on 50k or more than likely much less.

If I live another 20 years I will be lucky so 40 years isn’t even a remote possibility.
 
IdaHome said:
I am happy to discuss debt and root causes of that debt. We should. What’s interesting is that some of these programs actually have the ability to save the government money in the long run. A lot of these poorer families live in very rural areas. I could point you to large groups of people here in the Intermountain West. The alternative is huge public costs to extend public utilities to their homes and communities.

Let’s be super clear. These actions (like the end of the residential credit) have nothing to do with saving money. So many of the current administration’s policy changes and the BBB will actually cost the US significantly more money than even the status quo (which should be reviewed and improved).

Yes, let’s address debt but let’s do so in a forward looking way, not in a vindictive or ideological way. Let best practice and analysis reign in that process.
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Not in any form of government in the world or in history has everyone have everything they want or need or should have..
There will always be the haves and the have-nots…nothing will change that.

All the professors in the world can preach it can exist …. but it can’t…not possible.
 
Tax credits were nice to get on all I had spent on solar. But I didn't buy a single piece of solar equipment with someone else's money. Also I have never bought a piece of equipment thinking this will save money at tax time. I just bought what I needed. If I can do it others can too. If you can't afford solar you probably have other areas your money needs to go in the first place to be honest.

Its a luxury not a necessity. I would bet 90% of the solar installs that came from the grant money (if any of it actually got to real consumers) ended up being grid tie crap that didn't work right to start with and saved little if any real money off the home owners power bill. Also when it messes up eventually they won't be able to afford to get it fixed and will have no clue how to fix it themselves. Thus a pile of junk on the roof that will get removed the next time the roof has to be shingled.
 
Danke said:
“Big oil” is more profitable under Democrat regimes.
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So why is trump protecting Big Oil? If they're profitable, why is trump playing defense for big Oil?

Trump’s administration has taken a series of anti-renewables actions during his second term, on top of Congress’ clean energy-gutting One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Federal actions include:

  • An executive order requiring that Treasury apply stricter qualifications for solar and wind projects seeking federal tax credits.
  • The Environmental Protection Agency is clawing back $7 billion in Solar For All grant funding. The grants are intended to support community solar projects with guaranteed bill savings for low-income Americans.
  • Solar and wind projects seeking to develop on federally owned land now face “final review” from Trump-appointed Department of Interior head Doug Burgum.
  • Trump executive order directed the Department of the Interior to scrub for “preferential treatment” for wind and solar and eliminate such treatment.
  • U.S. Department of Agriculture will “no longer” fund solar projects, like those made available to farms and small businesses via the $4 billion Rural Energy for America (REAP) grant program.
  • President Trump implemented widespread tariffs to most goods, as well as energy component-specific tariffs and tariffs on critical materials like steel and aluminum.
 
Danke said:
Until batteries get drastically cheaper, solar will always be a small percentage of any electrical generation. And even then, the land requirement would not be feasible for many locations.
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So your and trumps answer is to go backwards. Brilliant!

Trump administration cancels largest solar project in United States​


The Bureau of Land Management has officially cancelled the Esmeralda 7 solar project, a Nevada-based project that would stand among the world’s largest solar power plants, large enough to power nearly 2 million homes.
 
Michigan Solar and ESS said:
So your and trumps answer is to go backwards. Brilliant!

Trump administration cancels largest solar project in United States​


The Bureau of Land Management has officially cancelled the Esmeralda 7 solar project, a Nevada-based project that would stand among the world’s largest solar power plants, large enough to power nearly 2 million homes.
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Good, why would you want to ruin that beautiful land with solar panels?


PS the people canceled not a single person, take a chill pill and go clean your panels.
 
42OhmsPA said:
Good, why would you want to ruin that beautiful land with solar panels?


PS the people canceled not a single person, take a chill pill and go clean your panels.
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If big oil had to follow that rule we'd be paying $130/gal for gas.

Seriously though, some of these account comments appear to be written by executives.
 
Michigan Solar and ESS said:
So your and trumps answer is to go backwards. Brilliant!

Trump administration cancels largest solar project in United States​


The Bureau of Land Management has officially cancelled the Esmeralda 7 solar project, a Nevada-based project that would stand among the world’s largest solar power plants, large enough to power nearly 2 million homes.
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considering the viability of seve3ral US based solar power plants int eh recent past... so like less than 8 years it was the smart move.
Michigan Solar and ESS said:
So your and trumps answer is to go backwards. Brilliant!

Trump administration cancels largest solar project in United States​


The Bureau of Land Management has officially cancelled the Esmeralda 7 solar project, a Nevada-based project that would stand among the world’s largest solar power plants, large enough to power nearly 2 million homes.
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being that the last couple of taxpayer funded large scale solar farms in the US failed...miserably i might add, why would anybody with half a bran order up more of the,?

pv-magazine-usa.com

Why California’s closed $2 billion solar plant is not a signal of industry failure

Beginning operations in 2014, the Ivanpah Solar plant cost $2.2 billion to build. It is now closing operations, but the plant’s closure is not an indication cost problems for the solar industry.
pv-magazine-usa.com pv-magazine-usa.com

www.solarinsure.com

The Complete List of Solar Bankruptcies and Business Closures

2023 has brought immense challenges, with higher interest rates, tighter financing, and adverse policy shifts which have contributed to solar bankruptcies.
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you see, it only works on small scale because the people who do it are directly invested in the outcome... you see, you are fighting for a result that will never happen in the real world. solar works for me, and many other, becasue we are directly invested into it... an no other reason. your desire to take money from others and spend it is a direct indicator of your lack of mental wellness...
 
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