diy solar

diy solar

The Real Reason LA port is backed up

Why did this suddenly start this year ?
There is an California rule which eliminates most older trucks from entering the port area. That's the problem.
Thank the tree huggers for their ability to screw things up.
You conveniently ignore a number of other factors.
And hey guess what our air in CA is actually cleaner than it used to be even with all the fires we’ve had.
admittedly it’s currently not good in the port areas due to the 80 some odd ships off shore running their bunker fuel systems for power.

But tree huggers?
Solar enthusiast?
Why are you even on this forum with that mentality.
 
You conveniently ignore a number of other factors.
And hey guess what our air in CA is actually cleaner than it used to be even with all the fires we’ve had.
admittedly it’s currently not good in the port areas due to the 80 some odd ships off shore running their bunker fuel systems for power.

But tree huggers?
Solar enthusiast?
Why are you even on this forum with that mentality.
Environmentalists seem to have no logic in their decisions.
Ban older trucks from picking up cargo and bring the entire US economy to a halt. For what ?
A tiny bit of emissions that are being released anyway, just not around the port of LA.
Many of us on this forum are waiting months for solar equipment.
Meanwhile, as California strains over a few CO2 molecules, Etna explodes :
 
Environmentalists seem to have no logic in their decisions
In this case there are a number of factors that came together not the least of which is a concern for air quality. I grew up over looking the LA Basin and I continue to support efforts to clean the air that we breath. You could blame a lot of organizations, including Heart, Lung and Cancer Associations for supporting the CARB rules. There is some fairly clear logic for wanting clean air.
 
Oh so a volcano is erupting somewhere so whatever lets just pollute all we can even though we have the technology to reduce our pollution output substantially. Typical mindset of trumptards. Btw last I checked the economy is still booming. Building is still going nuts in most areas that people actually want to live in.
People are buying possessions like crazy.
you ignore facts and assign a bs political reason for everything to try to further a short sided agenda.
It’s just flat dangerous Ignorance.
Again… with your mentality, why are you even on a site about solar energy.
that’s not really a question.
Like I said, environmentalists have no logic. If requiring lower emissions on trucks didn't stop the economy,
of course it's not a bad idea (unless there were other bad consequences).
Everything is a compromise, unless you are an environmentalist, then you feel entitled to pass rules and never
listen to the feedback from the "little people" you are ruling over.

High unemployment and skyrocketing costs are things that get politicians kicked out of office.
I posted the chart showing how far we have come and your response ? Shut down the economy !
We need cleaner and cleaner air ! Who cares if we have jobs !
We have the cleanest country in the world and not one of you young people are grateful for what has been done.

2020_baby_graphic_1980-2020.png


The 6 common pollutants are CO, lead, nitrogen dioxide, sulphur dioxide, ozone and particulates.
 
It’s not so simple. Florida does not have the vast amount of cranes and unloading systems that Ca has. Also the rail services are not geared up for that kind of traffic. They would need to spend billions on upgrading the ports. Also the extra fuel used to get to and from Fl via the canal is not cheap, it Is going to come out of our pockets in increased fees.
This whole comment is based on the governor stating billions have been spent and that they have the capacity to accept more containers. Even if 10% of the Los Angeles back log was sent to FL it would help. CN has to make this change.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mia
In this case there are a number of factors that came together not the least of which is a concern for air quality. I grew up over looking the LA Basin and I continue to support efforts to clean the air that we breath. You could blame a lot of organizations, including Heart, Lung and Cancer Associations for supporting the CARB rules. There is some fairly clear logic for wanting clean air.

Everything is a compromise, unless you are an environmentalist, then you feel entitled to pass rules and never

Problems created with a stroke of the pen, can be solved (or paused) with another stroke of the pen.
Maybe oxygenated gas is good to make our air cleaner. But if a refinery catches fire and there is a shortage of California-compliant fuel, obvious solution is temporary rollback of the oxygenation rule.
If L.A. port is backed up due to a confluence of factors including Covid-driven internet ordering and shortage of drivers, why not ease the truck emission rules temporarily?
 
If L.A. port is backed up due to a confluence of factors including Covid-driven internet ordering and shortage of drivers, why not ease the truck emission rules temporarily?
Last I read the trucks are waiting hours to get loaded. This does not seem like a shortage of trucks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mia

California Drove Truckers Out of Business. Now Store Shelves Are Empty​


Two years ago, Governor Newsom signed the Democrat supermajority's Assembly Bill 5 into law. While AB5 was billed as a crackdown on Uber and Lyft, forcing the companies to treat l freelance contractors as employees, the gig economy companies pushed Proposition 22 so that they were the only ones exempt from the law. (A Democrat judge has since illegally blocked the approved ballot measure while falsely claiming that it was unconstitutional.)

AB5 however was less about Uber than it was about outlawing freelance employees in order to force them into unions. The union power grab inconvenienced Uber and Lyft, but crushed freelance workers in a variety of fields including journalism. One of the fields was trucking.

Over the summer, the California Trucking Association actually went to the Supreme Court to fight AB5 and allow owners and operators to use independent contractors. The CTA listed 70,000 owner operators. In the years since AB5, Ubers have become scarcer and more expensive, which is what the law was actually designed to do, but the consequences to the trucking industry have been far worse albeit invisible to most people until now. While truckers are still protected from AB5, many in the industry are not willing to bet their future on SCOTUS.

AB5 was not only the assault on the trucking industry by California Democrats who were aggressively trying to unionize the industry and to impose environmental regulations on it.

Last year, the California Air Resources Board issued a press release boasting that it had taken a "bold step to reduce truck pollution". The bold step required switching to electric trucks.

"We are showing the world that we can move goods, grow our economy and finally dump dirty diesel," Jared Blumenfeld, California’s Secretary for Environmental Protection, sneered.

Jared and California certainly showed the world something.

While the ultimate truck ban was scheduled for 2045, an initial phase-in of 5% to 9% begins in 2024. Last year, California's DMV began refusing to register thousands of trucks with an estimated 100,000 trucks under threat. With "green" trucks costing $70,000 more, this was a non-starter for already troubled independent owner-operators and even larger companies.

That was part of the plan.

California Democrats and their environmentalist special interests had set out to crush the state’s ports and trucking industry. Had everything gone as planned, this would have been a slow and gradual process. Costs would have crept up and deliveries would have fallen off without an immediate catastrophic impact. But then the pandemic and its consequences arrived.

Business at California’s ports dropped during the pandemic. The loss of traffic convinced trucking companies and owner operators who were already battered by AB5 and the green truck ban that it was better to just downsize or pull out entirely. And when port activity rebounded, there was a huge hole in the delivery infrastructure that backed up the entire system.

Biden called for ports to operate around the clock, but that’s not going to magically bring back thousands of trucks or truckers. California Democrats still haven’t changed their regulations and without that, there’s no incentive or even legal structure that would allow trucks to operate.

The resulting disaster is likely to accelerate the ongoing shift of shipping from California ports. Democrats imposed their green shakedown not only on truckers, but on shipping. With companies moving to Texas, Houston was already becoming a more appealing alternative. It’s now at capacity as everyone is looking for alternatives to the California economic disaster area.

But much of our imports and exports still depend on the California bottleneck that begins with Communist China and ends in Communist California. The red-to-red pipeline has savaged our economy and wrecked imports and exports. Newsom’s survival and the Dem legislative supermajority which passes more extreme leftist regulations every session means that things will only get worse. A radical party that actively seeks to dismantle the economy is in power in Sacramento and its regulations have the ability to hold our entire economy hostage.

What happens in California unfortunately doesn’t stay there unless it’s waiting on a ship.

 
Last I read the trucks are waiting hours to get loaded. This does not seem like a shortage of trucks.
All I know is other posters in this thread have verified that it's extremely tough to have a trucking business in California.
People are leaving the state in droves because it's so anti-business.
 
All I know is other posters in this thread have verified that it's extremely tough to have a trucking business in California.
People are leaving the state in droves because it's so anti-business.
The ships are charging 10x rates from two years ago.... has CA capped the fees that can be charged by trucks?

Instead of $2 per mile maybe $15 or $20 per mile is the new normal.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mia
This whole comment is based on the governor stating billions have been spent and that they have the capacity to accept more containers. Even if 10% of the Los Angeles back log was sent to FL it would help. CN has to make this change.
Yes that is true but then the issue becomes who decides which 10% of the ships spend the time going the long expensive route?

It has been my personal experience that when all options are open and yet large companies are staying with one option it's typically because it's the best option. It's just that us arm chair Quarter backs don't realize it.

With that in mind I just ran some simulations on Google Earth and came up with a Round Trip mileage from China to LA of roughly 11,500 Nautical Miles. The same Trip from China to the Panama canal and then onto the West coast side of Florida would be roughly 19,400 Nautical Miles! I would imagine that the extra fuel alone and the Fees to go through the Canal are more than enough to make it not financially viable.
If you want the cherry on the cake then also factor in that most cargo ships go at a speed of about 23 Knots. So that extra distance of 7900 Nautical miles would add an Extra 2 weeks for the ship to do the round trip.
 
The ships are charging 10x rates from two years ago.... has CA capped the fees that can be charged by trucks?

Instead of $2 per mile maybe $15 or $20 per mile is the new normal.
Not sure I get your point. What have trucks got to do with tanker shipping rates ?
The shipping fees have gone up because the tankers are tied up waiting to be unloaded.
The longer the wait, the higher the shipping.
It's not based on mileage. It's based on how long the tankers are being used to ship the product.
 
Yeah, "pandemic"....I love that excuse for shipping problems and everything else. Some sickness with a 99.8% recovery rate isn't a pandemic....it's a scam-demic and this nation has turned into the nation of Howard Hughes- germ-a-phobics. I've heard that things have gotten so bad that the bums have given up drinking Sterno (Squeeze) and are now swallowing hand sanitizer.

On a lighter note....Christmas is only 62 days away.
 
The U.S. used to have a ship building industry.
My dad was a welder at the Newport News Shipbuilding Yard before WWII. Became an engineer with the GI bill.
They still build ships there.
 

Yes, the U.S. still builds its own military ships.
I think it lost all commercial shipbuilding industry.

That is a key industry which can help a country win a major war.
 
Not sure I get your point. What have trucks got to do with tanker shipping rates ?
The shipping fees have gone up because the tankers are tied up waiting to be unloaded.
The longer the wait, the higher the shipping.
It's not based on mileage. It's based on how long the tankers are being used to ship the product.
The point is if the emission controlled trucks cost more, the transport fees should reflect that cost.
If more wages need to be paid to get drivers, the transport fees should reflect that cost.

Shipping fees have gone up due to supply and demand. Very little extra cost. Take a look at the recent profits of the big boys.

Same should be happening near the port, land transport fees need to be increased to reflect demand and cost.
 
The point is if the emission controlled trucks cost more, the transport fees should reflect that cost.
If more wages need to be paid to get drivers, the transport fees should reflect that cost.

Shipping fees have gone up due to supply and demand. Very little extra cost. Take a look at the recent profits of the big boys.

Same should be happening near the port, land transport fees need to be increased to reflect demand and cost.
Running a business is more complex than that.
The article I posted does a good job of explaining why trucking companies have left California :

Front Page Magazine – Over the summer, the California Trucking Association actually went to the Supreme Court to fight AB5 and allow owners and operators to use independent contractors. The CTA listed 70,000 owner operators. In the years since AB5, Ubers have become scarcer and more expensive, which is what the law was actually designed to do, but the consequences to the trucking industry have been far worse albeit invisible to most people until now. While truckers are still protected from AB5, many in the industry are not willing to bet their future on SCOTUS.

AB5 was not only the assault on the trucking industry by California Democrats who were aggressively trying to unionize the industry and to impose environmental regulations on it.

Last year, the California Air Resources Board issued a press release boasting that it had taken a “bold step to reduce truck pollution”. The bold step required switching to electric trucks.

“We are showing the world that we can move goods, grow our economy and finally dump dirty diesel,” Jared Blumenfeld, California’s Secretary for Environmental Protection, sneered.

Last year, California’s DMV began refusing to register thousands of trucks with an estimated 100,000 trucks under threat. With “green” trucks costing $70,000 more, this was a non-starter for already troubled independent owner-operators and even larger companies.

Biden called for ports to operate around the clock, but that’s not going to magically bring back thousands of trucks or truckers. California Democrats still haven’t changed their regulations and without that, there’s no incentive or even legal structure that would allow trucks to operate.

 
Running a business is more complex than that.
The article I posted does a good job of explaining why trucking companies have left California :

Front Page Magazine – Over the summer, the California Trucking Association actually went to the Supreme Court to fight AB5 and allow owners and operators to use independent contractors. The CTA listed 70,000 owner operators. In the years since AB5, Ubers have become scarcer and more expensive, which is what the law was actually designed to do, but the consequences to the trucking industry have been far worse albeit invisible to most people until now. While truckers are still protected from AB5, many in the industry are not willing to bet their future on SCOTUS.

AB5 was not only the assault on the trucking industry by California Democrats who were aggressively trying to unionize the industry and to impose environmental regulations on it.

Last year, the California Air Resources Board issued a press release boasting that it had taken a “bold step to reduce truck pollution”. The bold step required switching to electric trucks.

“We are showing the world that we can move goods, grow our economy and finally dump dirty diesel,” Jared Blumenfeld, California’s Secretary for Environmental Protection, sneered.

Last year, California’s DMV began refusing to register thousands of trucks with an estimated 100,000 trucks under threat. With “green” trucks costing $70,000 more, this was a non-starter for already troubled independent owner-operators and even larger companies.

Biden called for ports to operate around the clock, but that’s not going to magically bring back thousands of trucks or truckers. California Democrats still haven’t changed their regulations and without that, there’s no incentive or even legal structure that would allow trucks to operate.


Yikes.. You read those wacky jacky websites?

Frontpagemag.com is a fake news website. Satire tabloids are more reliable sources of accurate information.
 

Attachments

  • fakenews.jpg
    fakenews.jpg
    11.6 KB · Views: 0
Back
Top