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DPC
Canada, Great already
Lots of what if and should have and could...
Fact is people don't like to be forced to do do things even if they are seen to be in their best interest.
The moment you force people to do somethings for the public good even in the face of a public health crisis you lose faith with what is your your personal rights human rights.
How could things have been done differently?
I cant answer that but we can look at statistics in hind sight form our own opinions.
What was the main idea in all the COVID restrictions?
TO slow the progression of the virus and buy time for vaccines to be rolled out and prevent a wave of infection from breaking the hospitals systems
Did this work?
Well we ran out of respirators at one point and doctors were starting to decide who lived and who died.
Could have been worse...
You ( D71 ) have the choice of taking a vaccine or not today.
I'm sick as a dog today and have been for a week because of some virus.
I did get a flue shot and it didn't help....
Maybe I don't have the flue?
I dunno...
But I don't have small pox, Polio or Measles....
SO I'll gamble on a vaccine doing more harm than good.
Did the events of the Covid virus really change anything in my life?
Nope....
But it did prove to me one thing when a government in motivated to do something in the name of the public first then it can
Right thing wrong thing doesn't matter.
What does matter is what we can do if we want to
We should think very hard about what we can do the next time and be sure its the right thing
Be that a virus or bailing out the banksters or what ever the next crisis is.
There will be a next one, you just wait....
Maybe we are at the start of it right now we just wont know until something happens we cant ignore.
You used the word "FAITH." That is what ppl invested in FAITH in Medical and MAN made protection. "TRUST SCIENCE"
Most ppl do not like to honestly examine the fact of what if they did not take it and survived vs saying they survived because took vaccine.
I had no choice in military take a shot or get court martial if I refused. We were given a lot of experimental vaccines. I did not sign up in service for that shit.
Again no one can prove what would have happened with no vaccine from Trump. Without Biden ppl on Left already banned together for a NO. With Biden ppl on the Right started saying hell no.
I was not taking that COVID vaccine because it was marked Emergency Use Authorization. That means a double fuck no.
I lost 2 vaccine and 1 without for family. Had they ALL stayed out hospital might have lived. The Trump pushed EUA Vaccine did not prevent COVID. Biden forced ppl to take it or lose their jobs - he pressured Employers because he could not force citizens. That is grounds for Nuremberg Trials because "it was not free will."
FAUCI was the secondary reason as He wanted run same covid play book with HIV/AIDS under Bill Clinton which basically said FUCK FAUCI.
Fauci Said it was airborne and all. Lock downs, masks, and everything same as COVID play book. Biden offering a pardon to Fauci is very forth coming to the bs too.
Most ppl let pride or whatever get in way of logic. They want to be right no matter. You cant say the vaccine saved your life while using logic.
Logic - Wikipedia
The only way to know for sure is an alternative universe with same ppl and same conditions except no vaccine. That is not possible.
I test ppl all the time to check their thinking ..... what if there was No EUA Vaccine with COVID? They cant honest prove their assumption that it saved their lives.
Other fact all doctors use to say Virus had to run course. With that during Covid the FLU was basically absent.
DPC
Canada, Great already
I read this response today from Don trump to Doug Ford Ontario Premier.
""Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on "electricity," of all things, and your not even allowed to do that," he wrote.
Someone want to remind Trump we had a legally bonding treaty he signed, that he was not allowed to break but he did anyways?
If we live in a rules based world where rules no longer matter why is he whining about what Doug Ford does?
We allow in about a Billion dollars worth of American dairy and export about a quarter of that value.
He's so full of shit, sounds like we are getting screwed and should be the one putting tariffs on US exports to Canada...
The problem:
American factory farms produce a surplus of Dairy and you have no idea what to do with it.
You produce so much dairy its worth less than it cost to produce!
Why not send it over seas as foreign aid when there famine?
In the mean time figure out how not to put your own farm corporations out of business by over producing.
Or let them fail, maybe when they are gone you can go back to having family owned farms again....
In the mean time we have small family owned farms and commercial dairies and cheese makers that depend on supply management to keep our prices stable and roughly at cost
""Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on "electricity," of all things, and your not even allowed to do that," he wrote.
Someone want to remind Trump we had a legally bonding treaty he signed, that he was not allowed to break but he did anyways?
If we live in a rules based world where rules no longer matter why is he whining about what Doug Ford does?
We allow in about a Billion dollars worth of American dairy and export about a quarter of that value.
He's so full of shit, sounds like we are getting screwed and should be the one putting tariffs on US exports to Canada...
The problem:
American factory farms produce a surplus of Dairy and you have no idea what to do with it.
You produce so much dairy its worth less than it cost to produce!
Why not send it over seas as foreign aid when there famine?
In the mean time figure out how not to put your own farm corporations out of business by over producing.
Or let them fail, maybe when they are gone you can go back to having family owned farms again....
In the mean time we have small family owned farms and commercial dairies and cheese makers that depend on supply management to keep our prices stable and roughly at cost
DPC
Canada, Great already
I'm very sorry for your loss.
Not to rub any salt into any wounds but no one in my family died.
I had to work through the whole pandemic.
A few guys I worked with got sick, I can't recall anyone in the entire Ontario Div dying from Covid related sickness.
Perhaps its a medical system failure?
Going into this Covid thing Americans were less healthy and had less access to medical care than Canadians.
We spend a significant amount of GDP soent on basic medical care for all and I think that made the biggest difference in Covid outcomes
If you tried to spend what we spend and do it the same way we do it would mean a fundamental shift in how your government and medical systems work.
I don't think a majority of Americans would stand of it.
More taxes and fewer choices being the sticking point
I have been to an American Hospital but I hear they have valet parking?
Here a hospital visit is like going to factory.
Its in and out as fast as you can, push the numbers through the system to keep costs down...
That's not to say it s bad care.
If I get cancer OHIP's machinery will churn through hundreds of thousands of dollars to cure me of it even if its hopeless..
I could spend a Million on a walking corps.
But its fair, and its what the people here want.
And there are trust issues.
Canadians trust the government and the machinery of the state to do its job.
Your folks don't trust your government to do what is in your interest first.
Here is an interesting article from TIME on the subject
One outcome that should stick out Canadians live longer.
You cant fake that, so you need to ask why.
The U.S. Failed Miserably on COVID-19. Canada Shows It Didn't Have to Be That Way
Canada has done a much better job than the U.S. on COVID-19.
whattheheld
New Member
Going to bounce around... ready?I'm very sorry for your loss.
Not to rub any salt into any wounds but no one in my family died.
I had to work through the whole pandemic.
A few guys I worked with got sick, I can't recall anyone in the entire Ontario Div dying from Covid related sickness.
Perhaps its a medical system failure?
Going into this Covid thing Americans were less healthy and had less access to medical care than Canadians.
We spend a significant amount of GDP soent on basic medical care for all and I think that made the biggest difference in Covid outcomes
If you tried to spend what we spend and do it the same way we do it would mean a fundamental shift in how your government and medical systems work.
I don't think a majority of Americans would stand of it.
More taxes and fewer choices being the sticking point
I have been to an American Hospital but I hear they have valet parking?
Here a hospital visit is like going to factory.
Its in and out as fast as you can, push the numbers through the system to keep costs down...
That's not to say it s bad care.
If I get cancer OHIP's machinery will churn through hundreds of thousands of dollars to cure me of it even if its hopeless..
I could spend a Million on a walking corps.
But its fair, and its what the people here want.
And there are trust issues.
Canadians trust the government and the machinery of the state to do its job.
Your folks don't trust your government to do what is in your interest first.
Here is an interesting article from TIME on the subject
One outcome that should stick out Canadians live longer.
You cant fake that, so you need to ask why.
The U.S. Failed Miserably on COVID-19. Canada Shows It Didn't Have to Be That Way
Canada has done a much better job than the U.S. on COVID-19.time.com
This part is not truth. It is pure spectulation and is baseless if logic is appllied. No argumemt can logically support it for response. Some ppl like Gates want all events in future to be handled like china does it with total govt control.
To be truthful the "would" word should be changed to "could." Or even "maybe." There is no "would" because it is a one sided argument thus no argument at all. Means it is suppose and thus unproven bs. Just faked fact.
THe writer in article want to be right .... as his mind set is on display for "Would Statement". Again only way to prove it is an exact alternative universe ...... which does not exist. Ppl are effected differently by virus. Exactly why hiv / aids so hard to cure.
With that article I think you are missing it. Most ppl do. That article definitely missed it. Again It is writtten as a matter of fact vs actual fact. The actual fact is they do not know if there would have been a difference or not as a fact. It is DEEP Think.
Americans stopped trusting govt in USA when govt chased white around at gun point and said they would learn to be diverse with racial integrations or get shot. Before that it was draft in senseless wars that drove wedges. Great Depression. WW1. Gold confiscation. WW2. Welfare used to wreck family unit.
Woke DEI lgbtq desegregation. So on.
Canada is or was mostly white ..... you won't last long either. As ppl show up that do not share same values your country values will change until it is Different in all ways.
Canada was also very harsh on covid lock downs Deadly Authoritarian. I watched videos of police beating ppl up for not wearing mask The same in AU and Europe. Hahaha think about that.
With spanish flu in usa - california police..... shot ppl for not wearing mask then accordingly it was mask traced pneumonia killing more ppl than anything. Wrong think and deadly enforcement making it worse with spanish flu pneumonia. As am showing we changed in a lot of ways .... you are going to see it too.
Sweden has already seen changes. Diverisity is bs when it means ppl are robbed and made to share with ppl that applied zero investment. The system will fracture like animal farm when the work horse was sent to glue factory.
I notice things... that to me are obvious. Other ppl try to maintain frames and boxes they are suppose to live in for confinement. Sorry. You either see or you don't.
Statements about Efficacy is bs too. Those numbers dewindled rapidly. Real world was very different. Several ppl had mud all over them with it.....like Pigs rolling in their own piss and shit.
DPC
Canada, Great already
You raise some good points.
Would or Should for example but I think your splitting hairs.
You know what the author means...
You know what the Citrus Caligula it will all just go away one day...
No one ever calls him out for that.
You feed pigs antibiotics to pigs so they don't get sick from all that piss and shit....
DPC
Canada, Great already
So Ford is going to Washington because his Hydro tax has people cranked up.
The US side has backed down now Ludnik and Trump and invited Ford for a meeting ? ( not sure who this guy is trade secretary )
The elephant in the room is Aluminum and Quebec if they follow Ford dollar for Dollar and tariff for Tariff then things could cool off
And the stock market continues to crater.....
Doug Ford is in a position unique in Canadian politics at this moment in time.
As leader of the most populous province and richest he has the most clout over the other premiers.
But with the flux in Ottawa there is no one there to Challenge him on things like this.
Until Carney gets a seat and plan Doug Ford is effectively at the wheel of the country and non of the other premiers are going to buck him.
Quebec will be an interesting test of Fords resolve.
They are quiet.....
Will they triple down and mess with hydro rates to protect the aluminum industry...
Pierre Polieve must be shitting his pants.
Here is a guy from Ontario challenging him for the real power in the Canadian political right VS left fight.
A provincial premier no less.
Polieve though a political brawler has nothing no cards to play and no one is paying any attention to him.
Its Fords fight to win or lose, I predict he will win and become the next leader of the federal conservatives if he gets the chance to push Polieve out.
Less a trade thing now as a fight for the soul of the Conservative party.
The west always loses these fights, they lack the numbers.....
The US side has backed down now Ludnik and Trump and invited Ford for a meeting ? ( not sure who this guy is trade secretary )
The elephant in the room is Aluminum and Quebec if they follow Ford dollar for Dollar and tariff for Tariff then things could cool off
And the stock market continues to crater.....
Doug Ford is in a position unique in Canadian politics at this moment in time.
As leader of the most populous province and richest he has the most clout over the other premiers.
But with the flux in Ottawa there is no one there to Challenge him on things like this.
Until Carney gets a seat and plan Doug Ford is effectively at the wheel of the country and non of the other premiers are going to buck him.
Quebec will be an interesting test of Fords resolve.
They are quiet.....
Will they triple down and mess with hydro rates to protect the aluminum industry...
Pierre Polieve must be shitting his pants.
Here is a guy from Ontario challenging him for the real power in the Canadian political right VS left fight.
A provincial premier no less.
Polieve though a political brawler has nothing no cards to play and no one is paying any attention to him.
Its Fords fight to win or lose, I predict he will win and become the next leader of the federal conservatives if he gets the chance to push Polieve out.
Less a trade thing now as a fight for the soul of the Conservative party.
The west always loses these fights, they lack the numbers.....
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DPC
Canada, Great already
Coydon
Over Easy
Gee, ya think a global cabal of trillion dollar drug companies that have a cash cow in vaccines that are exempt from legal repercussions for any harm done to recipients might employ any of the legions of zombie addicts they've created to do Search Engine Optimization? Such that only the pseudo science performed by researchers in their employ and promoted by politicians they own and published by the media they spend billions sponsoring shows up in a "simple" search?
Tell me if you can explain the "cheap trick" used in the statistical methodology of efficacy studies that judges anyone in between their first and second injection to be "unvaccinated", such that anyone that gets sick or reacts to having the vaccine put into their body for the first time gets categorized as having an "unvaccinated" problem for the purpose of the study...
DPC
Canada, Great already
Coydon
Over Easy
I think most of us purple territory people down here see CAFO milk the same way sensible Australians see Fosters- Not going to touch it, but as long as there are people somewhere else stupid enough to buy the shit from us and drink it, we'll keep pumping it out...
(Actually we hate having our wells poisoned with Ecoli and would love to see those cesspools go away...)
Coydon
Over Easy
Did you happen to notice that NSW Australia in 2021 had 90+% vaccine uptake and zero community spread of Covid (all unvaccinated or infected people were arrested and forced into concentration camps), yet their 'well funded and organized commonwealth' hospital system was overwhelmed and broke? Public officials: "Dar, we haven't been able to put our finger on what is causing our health epidemic, we just know it has nothing to do with the mRNA vaccines, that's for sure."
If you step back from that myopic, reductionist little graph for a glimpse of the big picture, you'd see that "the curve" is a sine wave going through time. Supposing there was a "safe and effective" vaccine as reflected by results rather than manipulated data and authoritative disinformation campaigns; 'flattening the curve' would have involved people interacting at a normal or higher level during the lull period, producing a greater number of robust, naturally immune members of the public to obtain herd immunity faster and negating the next peak without further intervention.
This is essentially what Sweden did, only without the initial policy-induced 'flattening'. Made bold headlines about the massive waves of death those poor people were inflicted with by their callous leadership. Then they ended up with less than half as much Covid mortality as any other developed nation. Wonder why that hasn't made any headlines?
How horrible it is to let something trivial like improving the survival rate get in the way of important things like reducing vaccine hesitancy...
DPC
Canada, Great already
I tried Fosters.
Nope don't like it....
Laws and agriculture policies that harm the private farmer and help the factory farm ultimately might not be in the public interest
Since we have long had co-ops and regulatory boards that support farmers up here its considered normal.
This is not how the USA farms...
SO lets just agree to not agree and move on.
Trump should know better but he keep pushing it.
E.coli:
25 years ago we learned our lesson from pig shit in the drinking water.
Walkerton E. coli outbreak - Wikipedia
I was on a small town in that area doing a job in the years before the tainted water scandle and you could smell the pig shit in the tap water and the extra Clorine they added to try and kill the bacteria..
Leave it to the family farm owners they do things different and often it costs a little more but the results are better for the farmer and the consumer.
Yap, yap, SLAP! The bitch slap that was heard around the globe. It's nice to see Trump pointing out Biden isn't in the White House anymore to all these lefty sniveling coward "leaders".
www.thegatewaypundit.com
BREAKING: Canada Caves: Ontario Premier Agrees to Suspend Surcharge on Electricity Exports to US a Few Hours After Trump Threatens Retaliation | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
In a swift response to rising concerns, Ontario Premier Doug Ford has decided to suspend the surcharge on electricity exports, a move that could have significant implications for the province’s energy market.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
DPC
Canada, Great already
White house called Toronto...Yap, yap, SLAP! The bitch slap that was heard around the globe. It's nice to see Trump pointing out Biden isn't in the White House anymore to all these lefty sniveling coward "leaders".
BREAKING: Canada Caves: Ontario Premier Agrees to Suspend Surcharge on Electricity Exports to US a Few Hours After Trump Threatens Retaliation | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
In a swift response to rising concerns, Ontario Premier Doug Ford has decided to suspend the surcharge on electricity exports, a move that could have significant implications for the province’s energy market.
Trump dropped the threat agreed to meetings.
The tariff is dropped from the US Side and Ford dropped the export tax and got a meeting with US trade secretary.
Not bad for a Provincial politician.
But the new changes from different stations.
But there is also news that says the 25% starts tomorrow.
Who is in charge down there?
Trump has turned the white house grounds in a Tesla show room.
Shouldn't he be running the gov instead of selling cars?
Oh I see your reading one link form one of those infotainment websites...
Fuck Trump is stupid.
"Canada, placing a 25% Tariff on “Electricity” coming into the United States,"
Its an export tax not a Tariff.
You put a Tariff on an import.
Doesn't he the know the difference?
Cant be sure if he even tweeted that.
What a circus
Canadian news says they don't know if the trump tariff is on or off.
Commerce dept and white house say two different things.
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Epstein Files are being held up by him no doubt. Campaign Promises not kept. Release the fucking files no redactions. Leave that black high light out.
AIPAC has taken over. Only way to get them out is extreme measures in govt. Massive arrest. 2026 coming up.
AIPAC has taken over. Only way to get them out is extreme measures in govt. Massive arrest. 2026 coming up.
TommySr
Solar Addict
because his name is among the list, he's sucking his own dick, IMO
"""During the Tesla infomercial, Trump told the gathered onlookers that recent anti-Musk protests, which have occasionally included damage to Tesla vehicles and charging infrastructure, and are allegedly secretly funded by George Soros somehow, would be treated as cases of domestic terrorism. He said this morning that boycotting Tesla is illegal, but taking it a step further and upgrading the charges to domestic terrorism is beyond the pale.""""
President Trump Says Tesla Dealership Vandals Will Be Tried As Domestic Terrorists
At the blatant White House Tesla PR stunt, Elon Musk said that in the face of rapidly declining sales, Tesla will double the number of cars it will produce
BLAH BLAH BLAH
hahaha I doubt that will hold up in court. Just by wording alone as it is VAGUE. Label terrorist for Protest. hahaha
DPC
Canada, Great already
Trump car salesman and now I guess he will used the power of the federal police to protect Tesla.
Just madness.
How are people not protesting in the streets while this man just uses the office of the president for personal gain and to help his buddies.
I cant understand what sort of power Musk has over him.
I mean I understand Musk spent a lot of money to get him elected.
But you watch the way trump sucks up to him and you want to be sick
Just madness.
How are people not protesting in the streets while this man just uses the office of the president for personal gain and to help his buddies.
I cant understand what sort of power Musk has over him.
I mean I understand Musk spent a lot of money to get him elected.
But you watch the way trump sucks up to him and you want to be sick
I don't know about that, it didn't cost the U.S. government all that much. A 2019 study by economist Deborah Lucas published in the Annual Review of Financial Economics estimated "that the total direct cost of the 2008 crisis-related bailouts in the United States" (including TARP and other programs) was about $500 billion, or 3.5% of the U.S. GDP in 2009, and that "the largest direct beneficiaries of the bailouts were the unsecured creditors of financial institutions." Lucas noted that this cost estimate "stands in sharp contrast to popular accounts that claim there was no cost because the money was repaid, and with claims of costs in the trillions of dollars." Link.
I think the hit to the U.S. government would have been much higher without the bailout. For example Bush had already committed 700 Billion to the bailout. Link.
Banks handing out bonuses to staff during all of this and opposing banking reforms to prevent it happening again is something what I would expect Americans to get riled up over. Link, Link.
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