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[Primal1]

If you're gonna take the ass whooping for launching an attack you better make sure your attack was worth it. I suspect the response from the Navy will be far more effective.. FAFO

Yemen’s Houthis Retaliate with Massive Attack on US Aircraft Carrier USS Harry Truman with 18 Ballistic Missiles and Drone — Vow to Target All U.S. Warships in Red Sea and Arabian Sea | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

In a bold escalation, Yemen’s Houthis launched a significant attack on the USS Harry S. Truman, threatening U.S. warships in the region. President Trump’s military response marks a pivotal moment in ongoing tensions.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[DPC]

I don't know about that, it didn't cost the U.S. government all that much. A 2019 study by economist Deborah Lucas published in the Annual Review of Financial Economics estimated "that the total direct cost of the 2008 crisis-related bailouts in the United States" (including TARP and other programs) was about $500 billion, or 3.5% of the U.S. GDP in 2009, and that "the largest direct beneficiaries of the bailouts were the unsecured creditors of financial institutions." Lucas noted that this cost estimate "stands in sharp contrast to popular accounts that claim there was no cost because the money was repaid, and with claims of costs in the trillions of dollars." Link.

I think the hit to the U.S. government would have been much higher without the bailout. For example Bush had already committed 700 Billion to the bailout. Link.

Banks handing out bonuses to staff during all of this and opposing banking reforms to prevent it happening again is something what I would expect Americans to get riled up over. Link, Link.

We are left with fewer banks and companies after bail outs and mergers.
I think its bad for business.

We need more smaller more nimble companies to grow and fill in the gaps with fresh new ways to do things, compete and grow..
I don't know how you make that happen but letting companies get too big to fail is not it.

 

[D71]

Trump 'voids' Biden's pardons after ex president used autopen

President Donald Trump declared his predecessor's last-minute pardons 'void, vacant and of no further force or effect' in a post on Truth Social Sunday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Trump is saying the Biden Pardons are Null and Void due to AutoPen for some. Should be interesting to see how this works out. I guess more show as it will have to now be verified if Biden can recall or not. Or if someone admits guilt. I suppose and this is how will probably work Biden will do a Ronald Reagan and say "he cant recall."

So then judgement will have to be was his memory gone just recently or also gone when he signed pardons or did someone else do it illegally? SHIT SHOW coming up. It was the Butler and Nancy Drew.

This has got to be Stone Bannon Miller the 3 stooges at work. Whew. I noticed only Cheney and Fauci were mentioned. Can a President give Power of Attorney. AutoPen is not new been around for a while.

After a quick trial and sentence would like to see FAUCI on Pay Per View get his neck stretched so hard his fucking head comes off when hanged. What is your fantasy?

I look at Fauci as Ruining USA and stealing the $5 to $10 trillion dollars wasted on Covid Response... Mass MK-ULTRA

 

[Primal1]

Yeeeeeeehaaaaawww

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901658964288585962

 

[Primal1]

What the.... Is it my birthday? pleease be true.

Trump Declares Biden's J6 Pardons 'Void, Vacant, and of No Further Force or Effect'

'...because of the fact that they were done by Autopen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them!'

legalinsurrection.com

 

[Primal1]

But wait, there's more!

Trump strips Hunter and Ashley Biden of Secret Service protection ‘effective immediately’

“Hunter Biden has had Secret Service protection for an extended period of time, all paid for by the United States Taxpayer,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “There are as many as 18 people on this Det…

nypost.com

 

[TommySr]

nothing adds more joy to a day then pulling wings off of flies.

 

[DPC]

nothing adds more joy to a day then pulling wings off of flies.

Have you tried poisoning pigeons in the park?

 

[D71]

nothing adds more joy to a day then pulling wings off of flies.

There is a possibility that Daddy Tanuki and Primal1 are one in the same.
Mm. Mm. M. M mmmmm
Think we have a mm mmmm Mm. M. M. ringer. Mm mmmm. Response.

 

[Bongbong]

We are left with fewer banks and companies after bail outs and mergers.
I think its bad for business.

We need more smaller more nimble companies to grow and fill in the gaps with fresh new ways to do things, compete and grow..
I don't know how you make that happen but letting companies get too big to fail is not it.

Without the bailouts there would not have been more banks left. The sad part is that they are weakening regulations and the whole thing could easily happen again during the upcoming (Trump created) recession.

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

Without the bailouts there would not have been more banks left. The sad part is that they are weakening regulations and the whole thing could easily happen again during the upcoming (Trump created) recession.

so was it somehow magically Trumps fault when it happened in 2008 under Obama? who you going to attempt to lay the blame on next... maybe you should just leave this conversation and deal with your own country.. or maybe you should go off around the corner and play with yourself...and leave the rest of the adults in peace.

 

[Bongbong]

But wait, there's more!

Trump strips Hunter and Ashley Biden of Secret Service protection ‘effective immediately’

“Hunter Biden has had Secret Service protection for an extended period of time, all paid for by the United States Taxpayer,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “There are as many as 18 people on this Det…

nypost.com

There is even more, Trump pardoned self-described Nazis and white supremacists. Link.

If presidents can void pardons by previous presidents, what is stopping the next president from voiding those Trump's pardons? Trump has already declared himself king a couple of times (as far as I am aware) and while I assume those were in jest, he is trying to set things up for sham elections where he decides the outcome. Link. He has tried this in Georgia and there is a court case pending. Link. However, it will have to be determined whether a state-level prosecutor can prosecute a sitting president (as Trump has been from January 20, 2025, onward) and whether a state-level judge will hear the case.

As the late George Carlin put it, "When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat." Link.

I might not have a front row seat, nor do I care about the outcomes, but I am glad I bought 2kg of popcorn instead of the usual 1kg.

 

[SomethingAppropriate]

void pardons by previous presidents

Auto pen preemptive pardons are certainly not normal. With no record of Sleepy advocating for the individuals, the preemptive auto-pen pardons are void.

If you are using an auto-pen, why not just put it to work and pardon all the democrats?

There should be no such thing as a "preemptive pardon"

 

[Bongbong]

Auto pen preemptive pardons are certainly not normal. With no record of Sleepy advocating for the individuals, the preemptive auto-pen pardons are void.

If you are using an auto-pen, why not just put it to work and pardon all the democrats?

There should be no such thing as a "preemptive pardon"

If you are using an autopen why not put it to work and pardon all Trump supporters instead of just fraudsters who support you, like Bannon, or family and friends? Link.

The debate over the use of the Autopen was settled in a 2005 opinion from the White House Office of Legal Counsel that stated a president may direct a subordinate to affix his or her signature to a bill using the mechanism. Link. But it is sort of characteristic of Trump to make insinuations and raise questions without any evidence. (To put it bluntly, he is a prolific liar)

As far as pre-emptive pardons go, I am not disagreeing. A functioning democracy requires that the principal institutions of state (executive, legislature and judiciary) are clearly divided in order to safeguard citizens' liberties and guard against tyranny and an efficient and independent justice system. In my view there should be no place for presidential pardons, pre-emptive or otherwise. (In reality the U.S. was already considered a flawed democracy in 2024 under Biden Link, and sadly all indications are that the U.S. will rapidly deteriorate further under Trump's second term. Link.

 

[SomethingAppropriate]

If you are using an autopen why not put it to work and pardon all Trump supporters instead of just fraudsters who support you, like Bannon, or family and friends? Link.

The debate over the use of the Autopen was settled in a 2005 opinion from the White House Office of Legal Counsel that stated a president may direct a subordinate to affix his or her signature to a bill using the mechanism. Link. But it is sort of characteristic of Trump to make insinuations and raise questions without any evidence. (To put it bluntly, he is a prolific liar)

As far as pre-emptive pardons go, I am not disagreeing. A functioning democracy requires that the principal institutions of state (executive, legislature and judiciary) are clearly divided in order to safeguard citizens' liberties and guard against tyranny and an efficient and independent justice system. In my view there should be no place for presidential pardons, pre-emptive or otherwise. (In reality the U.S. was already considered a flawed democracy in 2024 under Biden Link, and sadly all indications are that the U.S. will rapidly deteriorate further under Trump's second term. Link.

This country is going down either way.

Every time a party regains control, they over correct, over step, push boundaries, and get that pendulum swinging harder, and faster.

This will not get any better no matter who is in control. I pity the children of today.

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

There is even more, Trump pardoned self-described Nazis and white supremacists. Link.

If presidents can void pardons by previous presidents, what is stopping the next president from voiding those Trump's pardons? Trump has already declared himself king a couple of times (as far as I am aware) and while I assume those were in jest, he is trying to set things up for sham elections where he decides the outcome. Link. He has tried this in Georgia and there is a court case pending. Link. However, it will have to be determined whether a state-level prosecutor can prosecute a sitting president (as Trump has been from January 20, 2025, onward) and whether a state-level judge will hear the case.

As the late George Carlin put it, "When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat." Link.

I might not have a front row seat, nor do I care about the outcomes, but I am glad I bought 2kg of popcorn instead of the usual 1kg.

glad you are prepped to see your brethren fall.

 

[Bongbong]

This country is going down either way.

Every time a party regains control, they over correct, over step, push boundaries, and get that pendulum swinging harder, and faster.

This will not get any better no matter who is in control. I pity the children of today.

Claiming that it doesn't matter who you vote for (or against) is overly pessimistic and the over correction part is flat-out wrong, Biden did leave a lot of Trump's policies in place. Link.

And to be clear, I don't care much for either of the two main parties in the U.S. But I never expected a convicted criminal to make it to the highest position in U.S. government as a republican (a party that used to proudly claim to represent law and order) Link.

 

[DPC]

Without the bailouts there would not have been more banks left

If the banks failed, THEN the gov could step in, nationalize, break up reorganize and then eventual re privatize...
But you don't have to save the free market from itself.
You shouldn't have to...

Now and for ever more they will all expect bail outs after they screw up.
The share holders will know their money is safe no matter how risky the banksters or big business is ...

 

[Coydon]

so was it somehow magically Trumps fault when it happened in 2008 under Obama? who you going to attempt to lay the blame on next... maybe you should just leave this conversation and deal with your own country.. or maybe you should go off around the corner and play with yourself...and leave the rest of the adults in peace.

You're saying Senator Obama should have averted the crash for us?

That whole shitstorm was 7 years in the making. The fucking patriot puppet show got all the dimwits pumping their torches and pitchforks for terrorist blood while government and society ignored the corruption growing in the banking industry. You could take it back to Clinton selling out the left's arguably respectable idealism to economic greed if you want, but the Cheney administration let the shit grow unchecked and McCain's campaign didn't have a clue what to do about it.

When Obama inherited the shit, he could have used his election mandate and done something like DPC suggests, letting the corruption show through and helping the people to deal with and recover from the hardships that would come with reestablishing a fair and just economic system. Instead he seems to have felt a need to show that a "black" president would be 'smart' and 'responsible' by making sure the peasants had some hovels to shelter in while their lords built newer and bigger castles...

 

[Coydon]

Bongbong usually makes highly informed posts, could someone who knows them make sure this one wasn't authorized with an autopen?

The debate over the use of the Autopen was settled in a 2005 opinion from the White House Office of Legal Counsel that stated a president may direct a subordinate to affix his or her signature to a bill using the mechanism.

"Settled" like the fact that Covid came from a wild virus found at a fish market? The point here is that there is strong evidence that as far back as a year ago Biden was unaware of what his signature was being used for. He had no idea that he had signed an order to halt gas shipments to Ukraine, claimed it was just an order to study gas somewhere.Link.

We'll see if the Democrats chance letting Biden speak in public and if he's willing to recant past statements and specifically affirm his pardons. Short of that, or even with it, the Trump administration has a duty to challenge anything done through EO at the end of Biden's administration and create a precedent that autopens be declared illegitimate. Even if his pardons were legitimate, it is obvious other things were abused in this fashion and that avenue for abuse of future dog emperors should be closed. Unfortunately Trump likely sees this as a bargaining chip for leverage over the Democrats and will likely use it opportunistically rather than follow through on an actual principle.

... A functioning democracy requires that the principal institutions of state (executive, legislature and judiciary) are clearly divided in order to safeguard citizens' liberties and guard against tyranny and an efficient and independent justice system. In my view there should be no place for presidential pardons, pre-emptive or otherwise.

A regular pardon is a deeply traditional and important feature of an executive. Written laws cannot anticipate every situation they may be applied to, so a person representing individual authority (king, president...) has the power to step in where someone may be technically guilty of breaking a law, but clearly undeserving of the punishment allotted for it.

Doing so preemptively completely defeats the purpose of this check, is complete bullshit, and anyone supporting or exploiting such a usage themselves commits a severe crime against humanity for perverting justice.

 

[Coydon]

And to be clear, I don't care much for either of the two main parties in the U.S. But I never expected a convicted criminal to make it to the highest position in U.S. government as a republican (a party that used to proudly claim to represent law and order) Link.

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and ignored what the courts said about it, so working outside details of the law isn't exactly new to the Republicans. Supporting law and order doesn't always mean slavish obedience to every letter written on a page, at least not when it is clear you are responding to a group that has displayed obvious disrespect to the general idea altogether (which by some stunning coincidence keeps turning out to be the Democratic Party).

And just keeping it real, do you think any honest adult who watched a sitting president get away with perjuring himself to the entire public over a blow job from an underling while in office almost two decades earlier is going to give two shits about some guy trying to buy off a hooker from his past to pump up his campaign? No fan of Trump, I never paid attention to this as it was going on because the whole thing seemed so fucking stupid. The more I read up on it, the stupidestier it gets.

 

[Bongbong]

If the banks failed, THEN the gov could step in, nationalize, break up reorganize and then eventual re privatize...
But you don't have to save the free market from itself.
You shouldn't have to...

Now and for ever more they will all expect bail outs after they screw up.
The share holders will know their money is safe no matter how risky the banksters or big business is ...

I agree that the banks shouldn't need to be saved from themselves, but fractional reserve banking, while great for economic development, requires government regulation and intervention. In addition the banks do pay governments to guarantee deposits up to a certain amount and governments would have had to pay out a lot more if they hadn't intervene.

I am sure effective government oversight is required to both protect the consumers and to give banks legitimacy, but to be clear, I am not advocating for, or against government ownership of banks.

 

[Bongbong]

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and ignored what the courts said about it, so working outside details of the law isn't exactly new to the Republicans. Supporting law and order doesn't always mean slavish obedience to every letter written on a page, at least not when it is clear you are responding to a group that has displayed obvious disrespect to the general idea altogether (which by some stunning coincidence keeps turning out to be the Democratic Party).

And just keeping it real, do you think any honest adult who watched a sitting president get away with perjuring himself to the entire public over a blow job from an underling while in office almost two decades earlier is going to give two shits about some guy trying to buy off a hooker from his past to pump up his campaign? No fan of Trump, I never paid attention to this as it was going on because the whole thing seemed so fucking stupid. The more I read up on it, the stupidestier it gets.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of your constitution states that the federal government can suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus if the public safety requires it during times of rebellion or invasion. Link. And while that was the case under Lincoln, I serious doubt there is currently not even a threat of a rebellion from democrats nor is there a risk of a foreign nation invading the U.S. And while you claim that it is always democrats, recent history shows you are wrong, Trump even pardoned some 1500 people involved in the 2021 United States Capitol attack. Link.

I already said that I don't care for either party, do I need to repeat it? You can't claim with a straight face that a party which was obsessed with a president getting a blowjob from an intern and subsequently lying about it, care about "family values", yet vote in a guy who cheated on all three of his wives and furthermore was convicted of (digitally) raping a woman. Link.

 

[Bongbong]

Bongbong usually makes highly informed posts, could someone who knows them make sure this one wasn't authorized with an autopen?

"Settled" like the fact that Covid came from a wild virus found at a fish market? The point here is that there is strong evidence that as far back as a year ago Biden was unaware of what his signature was being used for. He had no idea that he had signed an order to halt gas shipments to Ukraine, claimed it was just an order to study gas somewhere.Link.

We'll see if the Democrats chance letting Biden speak in public and if he's willing to recant past statements and specifically affirm his pardons. Short of that, or even with it, the Trump administration has a duty to challenge anything done through EO at the end of Biden's administration and create a precedent that autopens be declared illegitimate. Even if his pardons were legitimate, it is obvious other things were abused in this fashion and that avenue for abuse of future dog emperors should be closed. Unfortunately Trump likely sees this as a bargaining chip for leverage over the Democrats and will likely use it opportunistically rather than follow through on an actual principle.


A regular pardon is a deeply traditional and important feature of an executive. Written laws cannot anticipate every situation they may be applied to, so a person representing individual authority (king, president...) has the power to step in where someone may be technically guilty of breaking a law, but clearly undeserving of the punishment allotted for it.

Doing so preemptively completely defeats the purpose of this check, is complete bullshit, and anyone supporting or exploiting such a usage themselves commits a severe crime against humanity for perverting justice.

I agree that they are abused by politicians and both parties in the U.S. would be able to find examples, while legal, of this abuse by members of the other party, I think it is fair to say that we can agree that this isn't working as you would want. And while I believe that an efficient and independent judicial system should be better equipped to deal with cases where there was a miscarriage of justice than politicians, that doesn't mean that it is the only way.

 

[DPC]

I agree that the banks shouldn't need to be saved from themselves, but fractional reserve banking, while great for economic development, requires government regulation and intervention

I'm just a regular guy with a home and job.
If the banking system uses something that is so complicated I cant understand its value then perhaps there is a problem.
Fractional reserve doesn't scare me.
That I understand....

Chopping up loans into little pieces and selling them as repackaged bonds and some of the other things do now to make more money do scare me.
I don't know exactly what it is, or how to put a value on it, but its just one example.