Dr Strangetroll : or how I learned to stop arguing and be amused by the intransigence

[Cdkipp]

Ive heard this before, misinformation? Do you seriously believe that people take their health care directions from some guy posting on a message board? A lot of these alternative treatments are drugs you cant get without a prescription anyway.
In the end I hope you dont think youre saving the world fighting "misinformation" on the internet.
Last year it was misinformation to say the virus came from a lab in wuhan. We found out the truth when the misinformation wouldnt die.
Discussion is healthy and I dont see anything in the constitution that suspends the first amendment for pandemics.

Actually the person you are defending ordered those alternative drugs illegally and told this board about the whole thing. You are knew to this section of the board, unfortunately.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Ive heard this before, misinformation? Do you seriously believe that people take their health care directions from some guy posting on a message board? A lot of these alternative treatments are drugs you cant get without a prescription anyway.

Yes you've probably heard it before, and yes it happens.

Boy dies after his mom seeks medical advice on anti-vax Facebook group page

A 4-year-old boy in Colorado died from the flu last week after his mother sought advice from a anti-vaccination Facebook group, according to NBC News.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

Now don't get me wrong, I have no problem with some adult aged quack job dying because he believes that shoving a teaspoon of cinnamon up his rear end will cure all his illness, but I do have a problem when such nonsense is used on children who can't know any better or have any choice in the matter.

And folks (like you?) and BMCL and that other guy, who spout off bogus medical advice are a serious problem. NOTE: Please excuse me if I have confused you with one of the other ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine idiots on this website. I really don't pay much attention to who says what, I just look at what's being said. If I have you confused, then I apologize..

In the end I hope you dont think youre saving the world fighting "misinformation" on the internet.

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

Last year it was misinformation to say the virus came from a lab in wuhan. We found out the truth when the misinformation wouldnt die.

No, you found out nothing. Telling a lie often or loudly does not make it true.. A lie told a million times is still a lie. It also doesn't matter how many people believe it. Maybe it did escape from the lab, or not.. the only facts we have are that YOU don't know.. Well, unless I missed some huge news headline..

Discussion is healthy and I dont see anything in the constitution that suspends the first amendment for pandemics.

Not all discussions are healthy, that's a myth. Discussions are healthy when the people communicating are qualified to discuss the subject matter.. When some high school grad pounding nails, digging ditches, or working at McDonalds, thinks he's qualified to discuss medical issues, then it is most certainly NOT healthy. Unfortunately, in today's world where cell phones and video games have mostly isolated people from each other, the average person finds themselves lonely and seeking attention.. even if they won't admit that to themselves. To combat this loneliness and feelings of inadequacy, they take on a cause, become an activist, or take on the persona as an authority on something... and most frequently, they enter into conversations about subject matter for which they have absolutely zero qualifications.

It is the tell tale sign of a lonely person with a pitifully unfulfilling life.

We are all qualified to discuss our own opinions on things like our feelings, our abilities, our jobs, etc. But when we begin discussing subject matter for which we have no educational qualifications, its the first sign of someone who's looking for attention.

And a word of advice: Many (most?) of the plethora of little platitudes that have permeated our society for so long are total crap.

A few examples:
Crime doesn't pay
Don't judge a book by its cover
Everyone has a right to an opinion (Moral issue, not legal)

And about a gazzillion others... they are all poorly thought out.

 

[Johnson]

Another one bites the dust.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Another one bites the dust.

Darwinism.. They may not like it or agree, but their participation is mandatory.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Another one bites the dust.

The religion - antivaxxer- conspiracy connection..

 

[Batvette]

I believe him a 1000 times more than you.

Oh darn. Someone on the internet disagrees with me.
And thought people cared enough that he posted about it.

 

[Batvette]

Actually the person you are defending ordered those alternative drugs illegally and told this board about the whole thing. You are knew to this section of the board, unfortunately.

Not sure how this refutes anything I said but hey... Knewbie here I guess.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

Ive heard this before, misinformation? Do you seriously believe that people take their health care directions from some guy posting on a message board?

Good point, they only take it from "far out there" blogs and tweets.

A lot of these alternative treatments are drugs you cant get without a prescription anyway.

And there are story after story, headlines, etc where patients are insisting they tell their doctor what to prescribe them because they heard it from a doctor online. How frustrating is it when you are an expert at your job and someone keeps jogging your elbow trying to make you screw up.

In the end I hope you dont think youre saving the world fighting "misinformation" on the internet.

If he saves one person from OD'ing on viagra and having their penis amputated, or hitting the LD50 of only 33 100mg pills, then it is worth it.

Last year it was misinformation to say the virus came from a lab in wuhan.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. How many claims can be thrown at the wall before one sticks? The time to believe something is when there is sufficient evidence to believe it, not before.

We found out the truth when the misinformation wouldnt die.

Err, yeah, that's how it works.

Discussion is healthy and I dont see anything in the constitution that suspends the first amendment for pandemics.

If you can find 1 in 10 posts from BMCL in the previous threads, where he was actually discussing things vs posting blogs and studies without reading them, and then ignoring when the details in his links were pointed out to him, I will be glad to admit I was wrong and he is worth discussing things with.

 

[A.Justice]

The general consensus among all right wing wacko's is that anyone who doesn't agree with their fake news and conspiracy garbage is "left-leaning".
You either agree and buy into it, or you're a liberal...

No big surprise there..

The general consensus among all right left wing wacko's is that anyone who doesn't agree with their fake news and conspiracy garbage is "left-leaning a racist".

You either agree and buy into it, or you're a liberal Trump Supporter...

No big surprise there..

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There, it looks like we finally found some common ground. ?

You guys are literally accusing each other of the same thing.

 

[bdserv]

Some people have trouble discerning the difference between politics masquerading as science, and actual science.

Actual science requires challenge and questions, and welcomes both. Sometimes the best questions and challenges come from outside of the discipline being questioned because those people have not acquired the tunnel vision that sometimes occurs as a result of being too closely involved for too long.

Beyond that, there are many examples throughout history of people who have done incredible things and achieved greatness without a college degree or higher [some by challenging the "settled science" of their day because there is no such thing as "settled" science]. All it takes is a hunger for knowledge and the ability to study, understand, and learn.

 

[Johnson]

I have made a point of ignoring the political nonsense, I am vaccinated and therefore I am a left winger. Considering that the fast majority of the population in the US and Canada are vaccinated, that "logic" is of course nonsense.

 

[Shale MacGregor]

Actual science requires challenge and questions, and welcomes both. Sometimes the best questions and challenges come from outside of the discipline being questioned because those people have not acquired the tunnel vision that sometimes occurs as a result of being too closely involved for too long.

Very well said. If people waited until the science has been done and proven or disproven the efficacy of adjunctive or primary treatments we wouldn't be discussing Ivermectin, SSRI's, Viagara, and Urine XS as unproven methods for treating COVID. I don't think anyone is saying don't test and run studies, but rather wait until the studies and tests have proven efficacy rather than anecdotal and limited localized experiences.

 

[MurphyGuy]

The general consensus among all right left wing wacko's is that anyone who doesn't agree with their fake news and conspiracy garbage is "left-leaning a racist".

You either agree and buy into it, or you're a liberal Trump Supporter...

No big surprise there..

That is also true.. the far left liberals also tend to use the racist label as a weapon.

Here's an interesting statistic for you:
During the day, black drivers get pulled over at something like 7 times the rate of white drivers.

But at night, black and white drivers get pulled over at the same rate.

Cops can't see the color of the drivers skin at night. Would you still like to talk about the left's racism accusation?

The right wingers like to talk about "Make America Great Again".. and the good-old-days. No surprise there.. they used to hang blacks in the back woods after losing a war to keep them as slaves. And the KKK still exists. White supremacists are so common and proud they hold rallies.

The left labeling some folks as racist is legit. If you don't like it then that says more about you than it does about them.

 

[BMcL]

And folks (like you?) and BMCL and that other guy, who spout off bogus medical advice are a serious problem. NOTE: Please excuse me if I have confused you with one of the other ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine idiots on this website.

So what would you tell someone to do who is diagnosed with Covid ? Go home and rest and cross your fingers and hope ?
The vaxed and unvaxed die, albeit it is rare when someone healthy dies from covid.
Only an idiot (IMHO) would do nothing. My neighbor's son died after doing nothing.
Ivermectin and HCQ have a ton of positive proof that they work; they are cheap and DO NO HARM.
Nobody is forcing you to take them.
If you had a dying child if you would forbid them from using it ?

 

[MurphyGuy]

So what would you tell someone to do who is diagnosed with Covid ? Go home and rest and cross your fingers and hope ?

I wouldn't tell them anything genius.. except to maybe listen to THEIR doctor.

The vaxed and unvaxed die, albeit it is rare when someone healthy dies from covid.

The unvaxed die at 10 times the rate. Problems with math?

Only an idiot (IMHO) would do nothing. My neighbor's son died after doing nothing.

Your neighbor was an idiot for doing nothing.

Ivermectin and HCQ have a ton of positive proof that they work; they are cheap and DO NO HARM.
Nobody is forcing you to take them.
If you had a dying child if you would forbid them from using it ?

If you want to believe an internet hoax, you go right ahead.. doesn't bother me one bit.

Lets Go Darwin!

 

[sshibly]

Internet and health advice:
1. Did you know human body has 15 lb of toxic shite? for some this shite is located in the brain
2. Did you know human body burns 5 lb of fat overnight as you sleep...
3. [insert your fav youtube ad with important factual health info]

 

[Johnson]

So what would you tell someone to do who is diagnosed with Covid ? Go home and rest and cross your fingers and hope ?
The vaxed and unvaxed die, albeit it is rare when someone healthy dies from covid.
Only an idiot (IMHO) would do nothing.

True, get vaccinated.

My neighbor's son died after doing nothing.

Should have been vaccinated, would have increased his chances of survival 10 fold

Ivermectin and HCQ have a ton of positive proof that they work; they are cheap and DO NO HARM.

None of that is true.

Nobody is forcing you to take them.

That may or may not be true, parents give medication to their kids and they don't always like to take it.

If you had a dying child if you would forbid them from using it ?

If I had a dying child I would seek expert medical help, not listen to a proven liar on the internet.

 

[Hedges]

Here's an interesting statistic for you:
During the day, black drivers get pulled over at something like 7 times the rate of white drivers.

But at night, black and white drivers get pulled over at the same rate.

Cops can't see the color of the drivers skin at night. Would you still like to talk about the left's racism accusation?

Here's an interesting statistic for you:

The police are twice as likely to use deadly force apprehending a suspect, if the suspect is white, compared to if the suspect is black.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Actual science requires challenge and questions, and welcomes both. Sometimes the best questions and challenges come from outside of the discipline being questioned because those people have not acquired the tunnel vision that sometimes occurs as a result of being too closely involved for too long.

While that is true and accurate, it is not complete. And you saying that, as incomplete as it is, gives the high school morons the idea that they are righteous in their questions.

When they use the term "outside of the discipline", what they mean is another highly educated person looking at something outside their own subject matter.
A biologist looking at an archaeological mystery.
An engineer solving a medical problem.
A doctor solving an engineering problem.

In almost every case involving such outsiders, the outsider is using his own education to look at the issue from a different angle. This is a very different thing than some high school flunky pushing medical advice...

Beyond that, there are many examples throughout history of people who have done incredible things and achieved greatness without a college degree or higher [some by challenging the "settled science" of their day because there is no such thing as "settled" science]. All it takes is a hunger for knowledge and the ability to study, understand, and learn.

That is true too.. When was the last time such a thing happened? Such things occurred back in the days when humans were still inventing toilets, figuring out we need to wash our hands after taking a dump, and learning that boiling water creates steam that can pressurize things.

In today's world of subatomic technology, new discoveries don't happen because someone is tinkering in their barn. Those days are gone.

 

[MurphyGuy]

Here's an interesting statistic for you:

The police are twice as likely to use deadly force apprehending a suspect, if the suspect is white, compared to if the suspect is black.

Thank you.. that proves my point.


As of 2020, white Americans are the racial and ethnic majority, representing 57.8% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans (who may belong to any racial group) are the largest ethnic minority, comprising 18.7% of the population, while Black or African Americans are the largest racial minority, making up 12.1%.

The police SHOULD be over 4 times more likely since there is more than 4 times more white people.