U.S. Solar Market Eclipses 100 Gigawatts
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Power companies account for the largest increase in solar PV in America in 2020.
Of course right when Im going all solar, having 0 to do with cost (its about an alternative), prices go up. Geez
mrzed001
Voice of reason
In the EU too much solar and renewable energy causes problems.
In Germany 46% of the power comes from renewable.
But these are unreliable sources. Sometimes making too few (need to start gas turbines), sometimes too much (even nuclear plants need to turn down, and they do not like that; they are made for constant power generation)
Quote from an analyst:
Energy blackouts are the bugbear that industrialists and the conventional energy sector have long warned about in ominous tones. Too much or too little power in the grid can indeed prompt energy shortfalls, causing whole regions to go dark and assembly lines to halt. But thus far, in highly industrialized Germany, blackouts have not—yet—come to pass. There’s been no countrywide blackout for years, and last year, the average German experienced just 12 minutes of outage: the lowest in Europe and infinitesimal compared the U.S. citizen’s 2019 average of 4.7 hours
The main problem? No big battery backup.
There was an event that almost caused a continent wide blackout in January
One of the most critical near-blackout since 2006: system separation in Continental Europe - CEENERGYNEWS
A near power grid outbreak cut Europe’s power grid into a South-Eastern and a North-Western part for about an hour. It was described as one of the most critical near-blackout situations since the region’s last major blackout in 2006.
ceenergynews.com
The north region separated from the south region
The 50Hz grid frequency slipped
At that moment about 3 GW energy was missing from the north.
In the north 2 GW big user was disconnected, turbines started to stop the collapse.
In the south a 1GW turbine was disconnected and many smaller.
So what I try to explain is that solar without big battery support makes the grid unstable.
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svetz
Works in theory! Practice? That's something else
Yup. I always get annoyed when I hear politicians talking about building out more solar and wind without mentioning energy storage.
Fortunately here in the U.S., despite what the politicians say, it seems they're doing the right things.
How are things going there? It would be interesting to hear from folks around the world.
mrzed001
Voice of reason
Wow that is a very heavy topic
Here in the EU things go in total different way
Off-grid is almost unknown, unused here. Only Grid-tie.
You would not believe what are we fighting with.
Like here is an old saying that off-grid (island system) can not be connected on grid
And somehow everyone heard about this misconception.
Hard to teach that only output of the off-grid can not be connected to the grid. It can use grid power.
And the leaders do not read forums to learn this.
Almost nobody understands why to use battery systems.
Germany closed almost all its nuclear plants. That are base power plants.
When there was a solar eclipse they had to add extra gas turbines to prepare for the loss of solar power in the grid.
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For me, those zillion dollar profit power companies, that govt literally condemns ur home and tosses u out, that u have no choice but to pay, SHD UPGRADE!In the EU too much solar and renewable energy causes problems.
In Germany 46% of the power comes from renewable.
But these are unreliable sources. Sometimes making too few (need to start gas turbines), sometimes too much (even nuclear plants need to turn down, and they do not like that; they are made for constant power generation)
Quote from an analyst:
Energy blackouts are the bugbear that industrialists and the conventional energy sector have long warned about in ominous tones. Too much or too little power in the grid can indeed prompt energy shortfalls, causing whole regions to go dark and assembly lines to halt. But thus far, in highly industrialized Germany, blackouts have not—yet—come to pass. There’s been no countrywide blackout for years, and last year, the average German experienced just 12 minutes of outage: the lowest in Europe and infinitesimal compared the U.S. citizen’s 2019 average of 4.7 hours
The main problem? No big battery backup.
There was an event that almost caused a continent wide blackout in January
One of the most critical near-blackout since 2006: system separation in Continental Europe - CEENERGYNEWS
A near power grid outbreak cut Europe’s power grid into a South-Eastern and a North-Western part for about an hour. It was described as one of the most critical near-blackout situations since the region’s last major blackout in 2006.
The north region separated from the south region
The 50Hz grid frequency slipped
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At that moment about 3 GW energy was missing from the north.
In the north 2 GW big user was disconnected, turbines started to stop the collapse.
In the south a 1GW turbine was disconnected and many smaller.
So what I try to explain is that solar without big battery support makes the grid unstable.
