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WHY??? $1,000 ---> Schneider Conext XW PRO 6.8KW Hybrid Inverter/Charger | 48V 120/240V

came with all those silicone AC 6 awg conductors, each labeled and furrells

huge number of caps inside

behind that PCB is where the HUGE coil is, inside a mostly sealed container - keeps the dust out. the coil is mounted to a big heat sink. air is fanned from below along the back of the case over the heat sink fins and exits out the top
 
Can you show us the pictures of this quality you’re describing ? I’m sure a bunch of us would like to see the difference.
The massive coil is underneath the circuts and fan cooled to keep dust out of that area. A much better design. Mine had papers or insulation splintered off the coil on the Vic like a blind person assembled it. Looked broken as hell.
 

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With the setup in your sig just thinking.... Why?
That looks like a great setup. If you want more/split phase just get another multi.

No it doesnt. Two 30a chargers doesnt give you a 60a current. At least I don't think it does. I asked this of a Vic rep and they said "no".

This may be semantics, but if you add a second MP, you will DOUBLE your charge POWER. Period. Guaranteed.

A single MP is 30A at 120V = 3600W
A second MP is 30A at 120V = 3600W

The two together will give you 7200W.

If wired in parallel single phase, 120V, you will get 60A charging @ 120V = 7200W

If wired in parallel split phase, 120/240V, you will get 30A charging @ 240V = 7200W

For $1000, *I* would buy the Schneider. :P
 
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but if we are are talking about battery charging.... rough numbers off the top of my old brain....
30A X approx 50V = 1500 watts input to the bank and with second Multi times two 3000 watts to the bank at 60A?
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong but if we are are talking about battery charging.... rough numbers off the top of my old brain....
30A X approx 50V = 1500 watts input to the bank and with second Multi times two 3000 watts to the bank at 60A?
Yes, the Vic dealer told me only one would charge and you did NOT get 60a from two.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong but if we are are talking about battery charging.... rough numbers off the top of my old brain....
30A X approx 50V = 1500 watts input to the bank and with second Multi times two 3000 watts to the bank at 60A?

Yes. I confused things by using AC power, but I wanted to illustrate the difference in split phase vs. single phase parallel, and why someone might get it wrong.

Yes, the Vic dealer told me only one would charge and you did NOT get 60a from two.

He's just wrong. I have two Quattro 48/5000 in 120/240V split phase with 70A DC charging EA. If I had sufficient generator, I could charge at 140A.

This is of course dependent on being in bulk phase. Once in absorption, you could have 100,000A of charging available, but the battery will only accept what it can at absorption voltage.
 
You got lucky, my wife doesnt listen to a GD thing I say. To the point of burning the house down and recking the car if I wasnt there. Sheeessshhhh
If she ever passes away or leaves Im heading to one of the tropical islands to get me a hot 21yo LBFM. :)
got a couple of 25 year old sister in-laws... want to make me the hero of the family... top of the line Japanese LBFM's not the 2nd or third tier models like the PI or thailand... built to last low frequency (not a lot fo mouthing off unless you really screw up) + lots of overload capacity and all the way to smoking hot just puts out....

sorry I had to!
 
This may be semantics, but if you add a second MP, you will DOUBLE your charge POWER. Period. Guaranteed.

A single MP is 30A at 120V = 3600W
A second MP is 30A at 120V = 3600W

The two together will give you 7200W.

If wired in parallel single phase, 120V, you will get 60A charging @ 120V = 7200W

If wired in parallel split phase, 120/240V, you will get 30A charging @ 240V = 7200W

For $1000, *I* would bythe Schneider. :P
OMG.. somebody has tempted Papa Smurf... was it the inverters, or the LBFM's?
 
just ot be honest at that price point I just paid 1100 for a 5 year old magnum LF inverter of the same or better quality.... for a used one.... you get what you pay for. at this rate only victron will be left with a great (not ao good) LF inverter... buy your chinese junk and cry for the next 10 years or buy a quality LF inverter and pay once, cry once.
 
If I were to buy this, I’d get a second for spare parts, so it’s a $2500 deal with shipping and taxes.

I would not want to ever need to replace with a different inverter after install

I just finished a dual radian Outback power install from a contractor, and he needed to come out and replace all the insides to one radian. I have an additional radian I purchased for spares for later. I intend this setup to last years.
 
The massive coil is underneath the circuts and fan cooled to keep dust out of that area. A much better design. Mine had papers or insulation splintered off the coil on the Vic like a blind person assembled it. Looked broken as hell.
Manufactured 2011, ran it at least 12 years straight. And it still works, just upgraded to the pro because of the great price. Also, this is after 12 years in my garage. So that might be why it is not that dusty.
 

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Yes. I confused things by using AC power, but I wanted to illustrate the difference in split phase vs. single phase parallel, and why someone might get it wrong.

He's just wrong. I have two Quattro 48/5000 in 120/240V split phase with 70A DC charging EA. If I had sufficient generator, I could charge at 140A.

This is of course dependent on being in bulk phase. Once in absorption, you could have 100,000A of charging available, but the battery will only accept what it can at absorption voltage.
Probably doesn't really need to be said, but this applies to any inverter/charger. Basic electrical here, just like solar panels. (Don't wire your inverters in series, please) but:
  • V(olts) X A(amps) = Watts
  • Wire in series: add voltage
  • Wire in parallel: add amperage
  • AC amps does not equal DC amps
  • As sunshine_eggo said, the ... physics of battery charging apply: once they are charged, they are simply not going to take any more. Amps will drop off. Voltage can/will remain constant, though it's pointless and not great for a Lifepo4 battery, anyway, to hold higher constant voltage once absorption is complete.
Example: my two inverters in parallel are capable of 200A DC charging each. As mine are AIOs, my total charging capability here is inclusive of PV input. The AIO can also convert AC to DC for the purpose of charging, with each AIO capable of outputting 120A DC from an AC source. Hence, when I do my scheduled charge at night when it's really cheap for me, I see a total of around 240A DC going into the battery. In a component based system like a Schneider or Victron, the inverter is not handling direct DC loads (MPPT input).

I know Eggo knows this, thought it'd be worth restating if anyone comes along later.
 
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No it doesnt. Two 30a chargers doesnt give you a 60a current. At least I don't think it does. I asked this of a Vic rep and they said "no".
And a second vic costs more then the Conext and it charges at 140a and a 12kw one leg draw on surge. The one conext would do more then 3 vics.

AND......... You still have to deal with Vic NON-support. My brand new Vic inverter needed a WARRANTY part and SS refused to buy it and ship it. I had to pay for it myself. Despite what the SS fluff girl says on here.
You have to be out of your mind ordering Victron gear from sig solar with the constant support disasters we see here on a near daily basis. Go with Current Connected, Pike etc, that have a known reputation as quality Victron dealers.
 
The massive coil is underneath the circuts and fan cooled to keep dust out of that area. A much better design. Mine had papers or insulation splintered off the coil on the Vic like a blind person assembled it. Looked broken as hell.
I'm a big Victron fanboy but that Victron is primitive as a bush pig compared to the Schneider. And yet Victron is still better than built to minimum price China junk.
 
Probably doesn't really need to be said, but this applies to any inverter/charger. Basic electrical here, just like solar panels. (Don't wire your inverters in series, please) but:
  • V(olts) X A(amps) = Watts
  • Wire in series: add voltage
  • Wire in parallel: add amperage
  • AC amps does not equal DC amps
  • As sunshine_eggo said, the ... physics of battery charging apply: once they are charged, they are simply not going to take any more. Amps will drop off. Voltage can/will remain constant, though it's pointless and not great for a Lifepo4 battery, anyway, to hold higher constant voltage once absorption is complete.


Example: my two inverters in parallel are capable of 200A DC charging each, 120A DC max from grid, the rest can come from PV. Meaning when I run my grid charge cycle at night when it's nice and cheap, I see right around 240A DC going into the battery bank.

Disagree with this portion. Inverters don't combine AC and PV charging. AiO's do. Inverters/charger only invert DC to AC or convert AC to DC.

The chinese don't get to redefine what an inverter is. :P
 
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Op, I get you hate the signature solar support. I do as well and I’ve never purchased from them. And you hate Victron because sig solar gave you poor support. Seems a stretch.

I vaguely thought you could switch Victron dealers and get support. Or is it only from the selling dealer?
 
Op, I get you hate the signature solar support. I do as well and I’ve never purchased from them. And you hate Victron because sig solar gave you poor support. Seems a stretch.

I vaguely thought you could switch Victron dealers and get support. Or is it only from the selling dealer?

Selling dealer has the support obligation. You can tattle on a bad dealer to Victron. You can switch dealers, but it's up to the new dealer as to how much they will support you. If you make new purchases from them, probably more likely.
 
Are these worth buying or ??? They have them marked down $2,500 dollars. Seems like a no brainer.
I am off grid so would this be all I need or do you need optional components to program and make work correctly?
Is there an issue with these models or the company?

Need advice. I will buy one and dump the victron if they are good.

Both are good but I like the XW Pro better in terms of built-in split-phase support for the US, UL certification (off-grid and on-grid) and has a more generous/robust design (larger capacitance, choke, transformer, etc.) for similar power rating.
 
We're here to support our customers! If you are having any trouble, please don't hesitate to reach out to me here, or directly at engagement@signaturesolar.com and I'll ensure your issue is taken care of and your questions answered!
constant support disasters we see here on a near daily basis.
I do want to share that this statement is becoming increasingly inaccurate with time. I would know, because my workload on this platform has significantly decreased 😅 It's definitely a testament to how much our tech team has grown and improved. They've worked very hard to establish a stellar reputation, and we've received so much positive feedback from our customers regarding the improvements. My hope is that over time, this progress becomes even more evident on a broader scale, allowing even our skeptics to recognize these improvements and, perhaps, cheer us on as well! 😊
 
We're here to support our customers! If you are having any trouble, please don't hesitate to reach out to me here, or directly at engagement@signaturesolar.com and I'll ensure your issue is taken care of and your questions answered!

I do want to share that this statement is becoming increasingly inaccurate with time. I would know, because my workload on this platform has significantly decreased 😅 It's definitely a testament to how much our tech team has grown and improved. They've worked very hard to establish a stellar reputation, and we've received so much positive feedback from our customers regarding the improvements. My hope is that over time, this progress becomes even more evident on a broader scale, allowing even our skeptics to recognize these improvements and, perhaps, cheer us on as well! 😊
Can you please help me with my 18Kpv problem. SS said they could not do anything until I had a warning or a fault. EG4 tech said “Oh, that is not normal at all” then never got a reply after 4 attempts to them by myself. I will email my information to you thanks.
 
Can you please help me with my 18Kpv problem. SS said they could not do anything until I had a warning or a fault. EG4 tech said “Oh, that is not normal at all” then never got a reply after 4 attempts to them by myself. I will email my information to you thanks.
We can definitely take another look! I will await your email and get you taken care of! I'll tag @EG4TechSolutionsTeam as well, maybe they can find your email and give us some input :)
 

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