Why communism will never work for human societies

[copec]

I agree with you except laissez faire.
Laissez faire only fails when you have govt intervention (we never really had laissez faire, and govt always, in the end, distributes special favors which is what makes "capitalism" "fail")

Where/when did Laissez-faire fail?

I suspect we actually share mostly the same opinion, but the difference lies in how each of us respectively defines laissez-faire. I think of pure laissez-faire as zero control of any marketplace by a government entity. The end-game of this is it ends up looking like the feudal system: A certain class owns all the resources and makes the rules of every "marketplace" that they control, everybody else toils to barely scrape by.

I believe in a fair marketplace, not in a anything goes marketplace. There has to be rules and regulations and they have to be actively kept up and enforced to keep it fair.

If it weren't for anti-monopoly laws and various labor laws, I'm 100% convinced almost all of us would be toiling every waking moment all under the umbrella of a single corporation that owned all the land, the resources, manufacturing, etc. and that company would be from various oligarchies. You wouldn't even be able to work your way out of it because they would control every resource you needed as well as dictate the rules of every possible marketplace, so its not like you could ever compete on anything - The only way to get ahead would be to work within the political framework internal to such a system.

We are already seeing a little taste of that now: A large part of inflation was through this exact map of corporations that all dramatically hiked prices and whose executives and ownership all pull from a certain already ultra-rich class. Same with all the major defense contractors, as well as all the investment in land ownership that has had a large part of driving up real-estate prices. Am I making an argument for communism? I'm not intending to - The basic notion of private property and capital, and your own choice what to do with your life and skills is fundamental to what I would call freedom. I lean on the side of no regulation unless it is a clear-cut case of violating that (i.e. anti-monopoly laws, and also I include labor laws because nobody would ever have extra time or money for which to multiply).

Where my more liberal side comes in is what I see as resources.

 

[TommySr]

nice cogent write up.

 

[AlaskanNoob]

Look criminals are afraid if getting the FAA after them so they won’t break the law. Where you been . Removing that transponder get the criminal fined 100,000 or more. You know them outlaw criminal are law biding

You might want to try reading before posting. You've having a conversation only with yourself. We're talking about the government here, the kind of criminals who are not concerned with the FAA.

Read first.

Then (maybe) type.

 

[D71]

You might want to try reading before posting. You've having a conversation only with yourself. We're talking about the government here, the kind of criminals who are not concerned with the FAA.

Read first.

Then (maybe) type.

Look man if you doubt law abiding criminals will violate the FAA laws then that is news you should spread….. It will makeS the garden grow better than fresh drop of poo in the rice patty . Just extra fertilizer tad gritty with no tp. Real men don't mind and chicks dig the funky butt when Walk like John Wayne. Ever smelled a woman's cooter after she been on rag in da wild ruffin it for a week or 2 . Make the ding ding crow.
Cock a doodle doo.

Drone was peeping on me other day so … took it out with my truck nutz. I keep a camera on them because some ppl try lick em.


I’ m trying get a new DOT law make it illegal for another man to lick or touch my truck nuts. Ladies only. That drone is toast. It is a federal crime shoot down a drone, it doesn't say nothing about using truck nuts. Make sure get ones with the chain. Drones fear them the most. You ever hold a set of truck nuts. Don't blush . Stop drooling. Imagine throwing them and last thing the drone owner see is 2 huge chrome nutz. What is he going to say in court? Can you imagine the prosecutor holding those truck nutz up as exhibit a in front of a packed court room? Case drop … probably never get my truck nutz back.

What have you learned? “Don’t mess with another man’s nutz? “ “Drones fear ppl with big metal nuts.” Clank clank

 

[AlaskanNoob]

Look man if you doubt law abiding criminals will violate the FAA laws then that is news you should spread….. It will makeS the garden grow better than fresh drop of poo in the rice patty . Just extra fertilizer tad gritty with no tp. Real men don't mind and chicks dig the funky butt when Walk like John Wayne. Ever smelled a woman's cooter after she been on rag in da wild ruffin it for a week or 2 . Make the ding ding crow.
Cock a doodle doo.

Drone was peeping on me other day so … took it out with my truck nutz. I keep a camera on them because some ppl try lick em.
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I’ m trying get a new DOT law make it illegal for another man to lick or touch my truck nuts. Ladies only. That drone is toast. It is a federal crime shoot down a drone, it doesn't say nothing about using truck nuts. Make sure get ones with the chain. Drones fear them the most. You ever hold a set of truck nuts. Don't blush . Stop drooling. Imagine throwing them and last thing the drone owner see is 2 huge chrome nutz. What is he going to say in court? Can you imagine the prosecutor holding those truck nutz up as exhibit a in front of a packed court room? Case drop … probably never get my truck nutz back.

What have you learned? “Don’t mess with another man’s nutz? “ “Drones fear ppl with big metal nuts.” Clank clank

I understand that you use the threads here to post all kinds of random things, you're bored and lonely and you don't have anything worth discussing, you simply want to be heard. I understand. But perhaps you can do so without muddying adult discussions and instead go find an AI app that will talk to you?

I'll go back to ignoring your lunacy now.

 

[TommySr]

but, but the FAA he posted is a tool of government, and the criminals are why governments are needed, could be on-topic.
wonder which has more criminals, capitalistic or communistic

russia 400000 locked up in 2024
USA 1.9 million locked up 2024

 

[D71]

I understand that you use the threads here to post all kinds of random things, you're bored and lonely and you don't have anything worth discussing, you simply want to be heard. I understand. But perhaps you can do so without muddying adult discussions and instead go find an AI app that will talk to you?

I'll go back to ignoring your lunacy now.

You remind me of guy that would walk up to another man lean over stare at his zipper and say it is 1/4” from being all the way up then try to zip it,

Please use ignore button…. Tis my goal achieved. What a relief. Thought was watching truck nut licker melting down over drones in a commie post. Is there a mental illness associated with fear of drones - if so you got it.

Dji are reported chinese. China says due to humanitarian reasons in Ukraine that the Chinese will not allow any country to have drones that are abused and turned into weapons of war. Good for the commie. Peace makers setting the example for the West. They are saving the World. … 1 drone at a time. No drones left behind,. Are we Communist Chinese yet or still waiting for more to pop out of the soy sauce bottles in NYC,?

Meanwhile
NY - NYC busted
Chinese Police Station

Governor - chinese spy aide



Do CA Newsom next

 

[Bob B]

but, but the FAA he posted is a tool of government, and the criminals are why governments are needed, could be on-topic.
wonder which has more criminals, capitalistic or communistic

russia 400000 locked up in 2024
USA 1.9 million locked up 2024

How many did Russia let out in 2023 compared to the US? ..... In the US we just keep recycling the same ones.
Job security for judges and lawyers .... and create the desired amount of chaos.

 

[TommySr]

Bob, I like to think it's because with have far more opportunities for both good, and bad
in a capitalistic system.

 

[Bob B]

Bob, I like to think it's because with have far more opportunities for both good, and bad
in a capitalistic system.

I'd like to think that also ..... but I have seen the revolving doors we have on our prisons.

 

[TommySr]

knock on wood, the closest I've gotten so far is the cool hand luke movies

 

[D71]

knock on wood, the closest I've gotten so far is the cool hand luke movies

George Floyd was a communist uprising event based on a career never stop criminal doing major drugs passing fake bill as a felony call to police by the same muslim owned store that is was still in operation when checked last. BLM dare not torch and burn it to the ground of blame them for the phone call for the reported illegal confirmed activity. Then he choked back on his goodness of grace illicit drugs that had been his reason to commit crime over and over. If he had done it once and reformed where would he be today ?

 

[TommySr]

but, but..there was video of I can't breath, I guess that's one way to stop the revolving doors we have on our prisons.
(kneel on their neck for a while) but not sure how that would fly in a capitalistic system, could create BLM or fires.
not seeing a comrade Floyd, I also never seen a comrade King in 1991, but I did see BLM, and fires then also
you see communism, I see history repeating it's self.

not sure BLM would fly in russia here it had wings for a time.

 

[D71]

but, but..there was video of I can't breath, I guess that's one way to stop the revolving doors we have on our prisons.
(kneel on their neck for a while) but not sure how that would fly in a capitalistic system, could create BLM or fires.
not seeing a comrade Floyd

Tommy you are doing it.

To Blame Trump but dont want anybody bring up crimes democrats have done.

But yet here you are blaming Chauvin for being called to the scene of yet another felony crime. See what you have done . The very thing you complain when things are brought up.

If Obuma Biden Hillary Pelosi and so on had not messed with Trump then none of that would have happened for what followed.
If this intel agents that now fear pay back had not lied about the laptop many stated would have voted for Trump in reversal.

The Roger Stone General Flynn and other prosecutions that followed would never have been done.

Yes I know Chauvin kneeled on him how could I not know. WITHOUT FLOYD then WHOM WOULD COMMUNIST BLM ANTIFA BURNED CITIES for to disrupt the Elections and make never scared Trumpers afraid ?

SEE WE ARE NOT THE SAME.

 

[TommySr]

guy, trump was not in my sights.....but keep in mind in 2016 the football players(kaepernick) said there
was trouble coming, what was done about it as I remember it...football players became the problem

googling BLM in communism countries..to stay on-topic

 

[D71]

guy, trump was not in my sights.....but keep in mind in 2016 the football players(kaepernick) said there
was trouble coming, what was done about it as I remember it...football players became the problem

googling BLM in communism countries..


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Tommy blm became a part of communism by their own leaders stating they were trained communist during interviews on the various main stream medias. They are a fractor of spin off admitted by george soros in an interview from funding via open society foundation .
OP OP

Black Lives Matter Leaders Aren’t Capitalist Converts, They Still Want To Dismantle the U.S.

Many have reacted to the news that the founders of Black Lives Matter lavishly spend donated money on luxury mansions by asking: How can Marxists behave this way? One activist was even quoted as saying that this must mean they are capitalists. This reaction, though, is based on a complete...

www.heritage.org

I watched it and I read it no need for to lie - tell stories. .. the truth will set you That happened under obuma biden and hillary watch for fergeunsen incident trayvon and so on for about 4 other events.

Why lie or do you just not know?

The communist blm financial board member that blew up the white house in the 1970s. Pardon Released by Bill Clinton. Tied blm donations from BLM to ACT Blue.

Fact Check: Did a Black Lives Matter Leader Bomb the U.S. Capitol in 1983?

As the trial of former President Donald Trump proceeds, some Republicans are eager to highlight left-wing violence, including a 1983 bombing of the Capitol building by a woman whom right-wing allies are saying is now a leader of a Black Lives Matter organization.

www.newsweek.com

This is blm donation to ACT Blue from their website

Black Lives Matter: Support the movement

Our movement is dedicated to ending state-sanctioned violence, liberating Black people, and ending white supremacy forever. Join us in supporting the movement today!

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ANTIFA cited War in Germany and NYC long before george floyd . They started 1930 era..... I showed you that already with screen shots they were also communist linked.

Tommy, Obuma had 8 years in office and with exception of Floyd all that major gas lighting was from Obuma time in Office. Sorors financed them with his Open foundation. If Soros had been locked up for things in his past and such we would all been better off. He was not. There were arrest warrants out on him. He was not welcome in his country of birth nor in Israel. Anytime the word philanthropy is used it is buzz word for rich trouble maker stirring civil unrest and out of chaos heprofits and grows power. The Rothschild family got rich off wars same way and Soros came from them as a weapon to add an edge of discretion for them. There really is a oligarchy as so many claim.
One sample of Open Society funding with cause and effect.

Hacked Soros Memo: $650,000 to Black Lives Matter

George Soros’s Open Society Institute viewed the 2015 Baltimore unrest following the death of Freddie Gray as opening a “unique opportunity” to create “accountability” for the Baltimore police while aiding activists in reforming the city, according to hacked documents reviewed by Breitbart...

www.breitbart.com

Like the major protesting and destruction out side of Trump Tower around 4 November 2016. Right after he was announced. About The same happened to Reagan except news media silenced it like with Trump. There was a major bitch festival when Trump was named winner in 2016. Obuma and the gang as mentioned plotted and did effect his incoming Presidency.

As for the football player Colin Kaepernick
was spoiled brat was adopted by white ppl at young age around 6 weeks old and raised white. His birth mother was italian white no word of his black father. Maybe He should have been left to his own ppl as some later claimed for whites shoulsd not raise blacks . . How would that have worked out? Obuma was half white or half black however you want to say it what idf he had been sent to africa then he would not be gay ....muslim frown on that look at death penalty in Africa.

Been there before when in military. Queers are tortured and killed in horrible ways. They are not tolerant there and obuma admits as much. Why he stated could not live there on video.

Who are Colin Kaepernick's parents?

The quarterback and civil rights activist was adopted in 1987

www.hellomagazine.com

My great niece doesn' t like it either. Don' t be mad again. The great niece was embarrased that she fell for the politics. Blm rioting was an an extortion on all the corporations to donate .... all the donations billions and billions of dollars to blm to not burn loot pillage business went to ACT Blue which had like a $1.5 to $2.5 billion in 2020 or so is now around $15 billion dollars for democrat elections. They are still begging for money.

ActBlue — Billions raised online since 2004

secure.actblue.com

Did you give them money. sucker. COMMUNIST GRABBING BILLIONS. SHSSSS THEY STOLE $5 trillion over covid.

 

[TommySr]

very deep dive

 

[aenyc]

https://diysolarforum.com/attachments/11_companies-png.241440/

This proves my point. This picture is BECAUSE of government. This is NOT laissez faire.
This is corrupt governments peddling favors for money resulting in stiffling competition through legal channels (regulation) which makes megacorps that actually control the govt stronger and bigger (and too big to fail).

This is the opposite of laissez faire where competition would regulate the markets naturally

 

[aenyc]

No, you don't. But you pretend you do online, so that's something.



Of course they do, James Bond. Because you're as well versed in black budgets, DARPA research, and what it takes and costs to use foreigners to assassinate Americans as you are knowledgable of the fact that AI is only useful for surveillance and that's it, the end.

In short, you're making things up. You are way outside of your depth but that doesn't stop you. You just lay facts down like somehow your statements breathe truth into being. You have no idea of the subject matter.



Thanks David Petraeus for explaining the inner calculations of the Deep State when it comes to killing people. They want to be "discreet" in your view, but they also don't care if they have to kill twice as many people as their intended target. You have zero understanding of the subject matter here.

Its simple economics. It is cheaper to do with without drones (in a million different ways). But killer drones sure do sound scary! Perfect to divert attention from real enslaving stuff like Biometric total control and CDBC.

On the rest of your post, as i said you are entitled to your opinion and we will have to agree to disagree. If you are afraid of killer drones you can hide under your bed and close your windows. 100% guarantee they wont use a killer drone against you in that case.

While you clearly indicate that you have at least some idea on the agenda and the great reset, its sad that you let things like drones and "AI" derail you from the real imminent threat that they are preparing for us and to which most people will fall willingly.
Drones with "AI" are uneconomical niche (and lacking functionality for pure technical limitations that you seem to be totally unaware of), just like F22. Is it potentially cool and tech that can be made deadly? Ofcourse, but it is simply uneconomical on mass scale and at best serves as a cool diversion story to keep the populace scared and confused.

And if deep state decides on carpet bombing, i assure you they wont use drones. (And they will still lose in the end)

 

[AlaskanNoob]

.. its sad that you let things like drones and "AI" derail you from the real imminent threat that they are preparing for us and to which most people will fall willingly.

Don't be sad, your inability to grasp threats and your delusional authoritative expertise on AI, drones, and Deep State assassination reasoning and techniques and economics does not prevent me from factoring other threats like CBDC and such; a point I've made repeatedly here but that doesn't seem to sink in for you, probably because you're distracted reading your classified DARPA newsletter.

 

[aenyc]

Don't be sad, your inability to grasp threats and your delusional authoritative expertise on AI, drones, and Deep State assassination reasoning and techniques and economics does not prevent me from factoring other threats like CBDC and such; a point I've made repeatedly here but that doesn't seem to sink in for you, probably because you're distracted reading your classified DARPA newsletter.

We will have to agree to disagree
I would research the tech if i were you. You will sleep at night better once you realize what it can and can not do.

 

[AlaskanNoob]

We will have to agree to disagree
I would research the tech if i were you. You will sleep at night better once you realize what it can and can not do.

You bet. Just send me all your DARPA documents on the most cutting edge secret tech development and share the notes you have with the alphabet agencies on planning assassinations and such. You really have your finger on the pulse.

 

[aenyc]

You bet. Just send me all your DARPA documents on the most cutting edge secret tech development and share the notes you have with the alphabet agencies on planning assassinations and such. You really have your finger on the pulse.

Alphabet agencies can only use drones on citizens once, maybe a several times. After that the populace will become fully aware of the drone warfare against citizens, at which point you are in the total war scenario, which the oligarchy will lose due to sheer numbers of us vs them. (It will be bloody, but they will lose in the end - the majority of people are NOT psychopaths and the normies will quickly turn against the status quo if they realize the are targeted with drones).
This is why all the money and effort are thrown into controlling the populace and drones are of little use there.
DARPA is intelligence above all else. Intelligence to control.
Ofcourse govt has all kinds of weird projects, but none of this stuff will ever go mainstream, as that means full exposure which translates into the end of them (albeit after a lot of bloodshed). The entire system relies on plausible deniability and to always keep you guessing (vaccines, junk food, GMO, HAARP, Smart Dust, etc - Using drones is complete reveal. That does NOT benefit them)
You underestimate how deadly the proles will become if they realize they have nothing to lose, such as your "total war" scenario.

(PS. I still stand behind my statement that "AI" drone that does not rely on GPS or cloud connectivity is complete Science Fiction. Any statement of the opposite implies the person has no clue whatsoever on how "AI" (ML) really works. And as i said even with GPS and cloud connectivity it is still not easy against small and moving targets, hence Israel and the like using missiles to take out "important" people which also level entire neighborhoods nearby and even that is after months of surveillance and "important" person making silly mistakes such as using a cellphoe)

 

[AlaskanNoob]

Ofcourse govt has all kinds of weird projects, but none of this stuff will ever go mainstream, as that means full exposure which translates into the end of them (albeit after a lot of bloodshed).

I assume "none of this stuff" doesn't apply to the DARPA created Internet you're using right now.

I'm sure you're right, they're really concerned about the masses getting wise. I think I read something about that during the COVID lockdowns.

I feel like I'm on repeat mode here, having to continually say the same thing over and over without it ever sinking in for you, but yet again, the drone technology discussion was about capability in case of the posited majority of the population getting angry enough to start consider supposed 2A solutions. So, yet again, the scenario is in response to an uprising and, yet again, not something they'd use beforehand because, as you point out, such an escalation would not be advantageous to them since they have other methods. One more time, and please try to get it on this occasion, the drone capability would be post "full exposure" in the scenario some imagined early in this thread and which I responded to, where a majority of angry Americans start reaching for their AR-15s. At that point, they don't care about full exposure. And at that point, people will see their pew pews are ineffective.

I'm happy to end our discussion on the topic unless you want to continue, but there are only so many times I'm going to repeat myself and I'm not getting much from our discussion at this point. You think you know the technological limits of DARPA and AI and how they assassinate people and why and how much it costs and you're super smart and have an amazing amount of insight into the most secret technological and Deep State programs out there and you're not concerned and think nobody should be concerned about drone capability. Got it. And I think you're clueless. I think that sums it up and I'm more than happy to agree to disagree as you've suggested.

 

[aenyc]

I'm happy to end our discussion on the topic unless you want to continue, but there are only so many times I'm going to repeat myself and I'm not getting much from our discussion at this point. You think you know the technological limits of DARPA and AI and how they assassinate people and why and how much it costs and you're super smart and have an amazing amount of insight into the most secret technological and Deep State programs out there and you're not concerned and think nobody should be concerned about drone capability. Got it. And I think you're clueless. I think that sums it up and I'm more than happy to agree to disagree as you've suggested.

A discussion is always good, and as i said, we will have to agree to disagree. You claim to know stuff, i claim to know stuff. We both claim to know stuff and we both stand on our belief.

But, i will say, that in your "total war" scenario (2A vs Drones) is exactly that - total war. In total war, the numbers in the end always win, short of complete nuclear wipeout in which case everyone loses. As i said many times total war scenario exposes the deep state for what it really is, and removes plausible deniability, which turns all the normies against it as deep state can no longer hide behind plausible deniability. As i said total war, which in the end, the deep state will lose, as the biggest trump card of deep state (no pun intended) is plausible deniability and the normie belief that "govt is good and cares about them", which gets completely blown up with drone warfare against citizens. And you for some reason always assume an uprising is going to be some localized "army". It wont. In fact the deep state can do nothing against "lone wolf" type of scenario, and when people have nothing to lose you suddenly have tens of thousands of "lone wolves". (plus the psychopathic oligarchy loves to show off among the plebes. With rebelling plebes psychopaths will have to hide in their bunkers and psychopaths can not stand that)
And that is assuming your wunderwuffle "AI" drone exists (It doesnt until proven otherwise).

PS. Internet is a great voluntary enslavement device. Killer drones are not.

PPS. Take a look at this story, a single insider with good consciosness totally derailing the machine for years. Imagine even 50% of normies on the inside rebelling because their fellow normies are being killed in the wide open? (Or the story of vigilantes breaking and removing London ULEZ cameras).
When plebes revolt, deep state has no chance and they know it. Hence all the effort to brainwash and divide and conquer.