Osmethne
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So basically your objection to social security boils down to CPI being somewhat inaccurate?
Why do so many people support social security? It's a scam
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So basically your objection to social security boils down to CPI being somewhat inaccurate?
cs1234
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I know all kinds of fancy math and statistics are used to calculate the CPI, but by golly it really doesn't match the seat of the pants feeling you get at the grocery store when what you were paying $7 a year or two ago is now $12. Something about it is just off, the things I purchase aren't that dissimilar from my fellow Americans, or they wouldn't be in the store in the first place. I suspect it needs a heavier weight assigned to groceries.. but maybe I just have some sort of bias or perception issue taking place.
Dr. Bullets
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No perfect solution for sure. I just don't know if going back to poverty for a ton of old people is the answer.
Absolutely not! Did you see my past posts?
Osmethne
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Yeah that's a tough one. I don't even know if it would be fair to say that cpi is manipulated. The things that spiked in price mean different things to different demographies. The surging cost of housing means nothing to me. Probably doesn't affect retirees as much but it's been absolutely ruinous to young people.
It should include housing and energy. Sometimes when copper spikes or something else will spike they will call it a supply chain issue when it's actually not. A supply chain issue is inflation. The reason that the supply chain can't keep up with demand is because we have more circulating dollars chasing a limited supply.
We have been changing what constitutes CPI constantly since the '80s. They can make it whatever they want to be.
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Can they make it what I want it to be for a change? It's my turn.
Daddy Tanuki
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thank god this is in chit chat.... BECAUSE A LOT OF US FREAKING AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.
My Mom paid in for 38 years and died right before you could start drawing it. meanwhile the gubbermint was whining because at the end she was on medicare/medicaid as for the last 18 months she could not work... I know I will never see any of it as I will be working until I am 67 just to put my daughters through college.. such is when you get divorced and remarried and have even more kids... so I know I will probably never receive any of it.
my sister who passed away at 40 paid into it for 20 years and never got a cent. I have been paying into it from my first real job at the age of 14 sweeping a shop floor after school so for me thats 44 years and i will not start drawing it at 62 as it is punitive in nature if you work and make any real money while drawing it...
if congress and the senate had kept their grubby little paws out of it a couple of decades ago, it would not be so close to insolvency as it is.
Daddy Tanuki
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sorry but covid kicked in as trump was leaving all those deaths are on your party the democrats... it was retards like whitmer (michigan) cumo (NY) and newsome (CA) that put sick people in elderly care facilities pretty much guaranteeing a kill off of older less healthy people.
try your gaslighting elsewhere.
Daddy Tanuki
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we already have the flying spaghetti monster and scientology please its getting ahrd to keep up with all of the new ones! ha ha ha ha ha.
A lot of the Problems we have now was Churches use to fund welfare at the community levels - monies from offering plates and community leaders offering work. Religious leaders figured out how to get the govt to take over and churches pocket the money from the offering plates. Look at how most religious leaders live now. Rather Well. All kinds of exemptions and even funds for churches and synagogues. Do Islam Mosque in USA get monies? The Store that George Floyd tried to pass fake money had a Mosque Islam Church in basement, so ppl knew not to mess with it in all their burning sprees. That is why it did not get looted and burned down.
Lot of religious leaders push politics just look at the various religions getting money from GOVT. Kind of why we are a welfare STATE now. Back when religions-controlled welfare, they had measures ppl had to comply with ... other church members offered them jobs had to work. The communities were trying to take care of themselves. That changed when welfare came online. Enter the Zionist.... sends millions of dollars to Israel and lobby Govt to send Billions of dollars to Israel every year. We sent billions of Dollars to Israel last summer for Welfare of the Palestine ppl with no checks and balances for how it would be used. Israel has been the over lords of them and why the Palestine want own Nation Country to get any funds direct vs leftovers. EXACTLY What noticed when I was living there. 2 State Solution is desired so can get funds direct and self-determine for themselves. What is being done is like Native Americans were done here by Govt and Govt Contractors but instead of Contractors it is Israel controlling hand out to Palestine ppl....... now with everything that has gone on doubt Palestine will ever forgive Israel nor Israel will ever forgive Palestine.
Chabad talking about money
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Question:
Again you're sending me a nice holiday greeting and again I see at the end that you're asking for money. Why is it that every Jewish organization is constantly asking for money? In my books, religion and money don't mix. Torah is meant to be free for all. By continually asking for money, all you are doing is turning off so many people. Like me.
Response:
Yes, it certainly is lamentable, and I couldn't agree with you more. It's enough that we have to pay lawyers, accountants, realtors, doctors, dentists and caregivers for providing vital services. Why should we have to pay rabbis, teachers and writers as well?
The difference, however, is that the lawyers and doctors et al require payment immediately upon service—if not beforehand. And if you don't pay, sorry, no more service.
We at Chabad.org, on the other hand, are providing a free service for the hundreds per day that write to us with their questions and predicaments, along with the tens of thousands of readers benefiting from our site. No advertising, no hype, just an occasional letter from the man responsible for ensuring that we can keep our families housed, clothed and fed while plugging on with the service
Dear Mr. ___________, it's really perfectly okay with us if you just hit the delete key when you see the plea for funds in our letters. You can continue subscribing just like anyone else. You can write to us your questions and ask personal advice—and we will put our attention to them just as we do with every communication we receive.
We just thought, hey, maybe you might like to partner with us. That's really one of those beautiful things about money—it provides people a way to work together with one another. Perhaps that's the whole reason G‑d made a world that relies so heavily on money—so that it could be shared. After all, "Everything G‑d made in His world, He made for His glory." Yes, even money.
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Christians are same always asking for money. Most ppl will only see, Jews and flip out.... never notice said "Christians are same exact way for money". Exactly why grab the salt shaker and pour it on their open wound when they complain. They have Tunnel Vision.
Who pushed for Social Security to be setup?
Co-Pilot - I knew this long ago. It is in their Nature and Christians are same way. For Jews it is that Tribal Shit and why they promote Socialism and Communism. Jesus is often stated as a Communist or as minimum a Socialist. He did say give Caesar his part though as in work and taxes.
Anyone mad? If you needle focus on Jew vs all of it that is on you. Jews and Christians did a lot of things here that were not good for programs based on the burden of all. Atheist often gripe about just Christians and rarely Jews. It has been both. Now it is fun to watch how Congress Spends money on Arms to give away or say sold when gave away. LIARS.
Want to get Mad about Social Security? hahaha
Ask why Social Security is Failing but Railroad Retirement is thriving. Social Security was patterned after Railroad Retirement. Railroad retirement is Solvent for at least 75 -100 years or more, but SS is dead in 2030 -2035 - reduced to 75%? The Government has fleeced SS. The Railroad Retirement Board is made up of: Govt oversight - represents Amtrak, Private Owned Railroad Officials, and Union Labor Representatives. They did not let Govt STEAL it YET. A big portion was invested in BlackRock and Vanguard like most public - private retirements. The Govt wants to hand Social Security to BlackRock and Vanguard to steal some too. Percentage cuts paid to the Investors.... no real accountability if go bust. Blackrock used retirement security monies to buy property then rent - raised rent. If they foreclose on home loans even better for them too. They can control ppls ability to make house payments in Evil ways if so desire. They control markets.
Until Biden and Congress changed the Law for Social Security Fairness ACT 2025 ppl that had paid into Both as shown had to choose one or the other based on the max of one, but payment could not exceed the max for one. Now ppl that qualified for both can draw both vs getting ripped off. Medicare never stops being paid until you die. Death and Taxes are part of Life.
The Govt is most likely doing Social Security Fairness ACT so can Seize Public and Private Retirements in the future to bail out Social Security. They have tried to do that several times in past Rand Paul was 1 of the politicians. Politicians are ignorant about these programs same as DOGE. The Govt are CROOKS. I do not trust, Musk any further than I could throw him. Seen anyone go to prison - yet fraud is stated everywhere - most ppl know there is fraud.
Again, the Congress has tried to steal various pension funds for years. Harris wanted to tax the shit out of everything. Unrealized Capital Gains tax? WTF. She was talking crazy, so she was a no go.
Govt is always like that except for their own pork barrel .... they guard it like bull dogs. Biden told voters he did not work for them, and he was serious - ENTITLED.
Govt - Congress not only draw big lobby checks - kick backs but have several Govt paid pensions for life after 1 term. They used to get a check from each govt office held so they stayed with it and moved around - upward. That is how Teachers such retire and build new construction sites and buy up land for those ventures which notice are common investments. Lot of times when a teacher gets 10 years as STAFF then they have TENURE - very hard to fire them. They get on local School Boards and draw 6 figure a year and complain not enough - become politicians. Biggest form of payoff is book deals. Like Hunter Biden doing Art or Jared Kushner wanting to rebuild GAZA for profit with his company. Railroads use to Hire a lot of Family for VP type jobs but they didn't do shit. Hunter Biden was on the Board for Amtrak as appointed by Bush Baby.
Criminals Hiring Criminals.
Social Security would have been fine if not forced and was not squandered. Problem is Politicians listen to religious leaders and get votes as a result for directional money flow. Israel must have video and pictures of Congress doing some really bad things. Black Mail. That works too.
We lost when we allowed communism to set foot in and get a firm hold on our government later 1800 to early 1900 era. "Social security" was designed to give Govt control to rule us .... came along later. Welfare is a control mechanism for socialism and communism.
The military draft was ppls first notice that they were not free. Ppl were literally forced to fight and die for a US Govt impoosed cause in CW. Ppl should have rebelled and ended the govt leaders in charge of military draft.
Oh and since am venting the stupid ppl complaining and comparing Hitler to Trump are hilarious. Hitler was a broke ass common man that joined and fought in WW1 and WW2 as lower enlisted - Supreme Leader. Trump is a rich mfer spoon fed wealth, avoided military draft, and no doubt called Former Soldiers suckers that were forced to fight. The Draft Riots in NY during Civil War were correct and it was violation of Constitution to have draft especially when blacks were basically exempt.
The ultimate tax is forced draft. The Rich ppl and Govt pushing Civil War Drafts should have not had any freedoms. The NY Draft Riots should have been and evolved into the actual Civil War. You cant have a free society when the constitution can be suspended to force things that would be illegal same as Martial Law. The government will invent reasons to invoke control to suspend Rights. The government wants a civil war or something to suspend rights but want it to look like they are not outright tyrants. Optics. If you defy the government they will make an example. History has proven this over and over.... anyone trying to be the Leader will be govt focus as prime example to rest.
You have a much bigger problem than realize vs just taxes, social security, or what not. You - we live in an illusion. We are not free. Look at all the things where you and I have to ask Govt "may we".
Lot of religious leaders push politics just look at the various religions getting money from GOVT. Kind of why we are a welfare STATE now. Back when religions-controlled welfare, they had measures ppl had to comply with ... other church members offered them jobs had to work. The communities were trying to take care of themselves. That changed when welfare came online. Enter the Zionist.... sends millions of dollars to Israel and lobby Govt to send Billions of dollars to Israel every year. We sent billions of Dollars to Israel last summer for Welfare of the Palestine ppl with no checks and balances for how it would be used. Israel has been the over lords of them and why the Palestine want own Nation Country to get any funds direct vs leftovers. EXACTLY What noticed when I was living there. 2 State Solution is desired so can get funds direct and self-determine for themselves. What is being done is like Native Americans were done here by Govt and Govt Contractors but instead of Contractors it is Israel controlling hand out to Palestine ppl....... now with everything that has gone on doubt Palestine will ever forgive Israel nor Israel will ever forgive Palestine.
Chabad talking about money
""""
Question:
Again you're sending me a nice holiday greeting and again I see at the end that you're asking for money. Why is it that every Jewish organization is constantly asking for money? In my books, religion and money don't mix. Torah is meant to be free for all. By continually asking for money, all you are doing is turning off so many people. Like me.
Response:
Yes, it certainly is lamentable, and I couldn't agree with you more. It's enough that we have to pay lawyers, accountants, realtors, doctors, dentists and caregivers for providing vital services. Why should we have to pay rabbis, teachers and writers as well?
The difference, however, is that the lawyers and doctors et al require payment immediately upon service—if not beforehand. And if you don't pay, sorry, no more service.
We at Chabad.org, on the other hand, are providing a free service for the hundreds per day that write to us with their questions and predicaments, along with the tens of thousands of readers benefiting from our site. No advertising, no hype, just an occasional letter from the man responsible for ensuring that we can keep our families housed, clothed and fed while plugging on with the service
Dear Mr. ___________, it's really perfectly okay with us if you just hit the delete key when you see the plea for funds in our letters. You can continue subscribing just like anyone else. You can write to us your questions and ask personal advice—and we will put our attention to them just as we do with every communication we receive.
We just thought, hey, maybe you might like to partner with us. That's really one of those beautiful things about money—it provides people a way to work together with one another. Perhaps that's the whole reason G‑d made a world that relies so heavily on money—so that it could be shared. After all, "Everything G‑d made in His world, He made for His glory." Yes, even money.
""""
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/877986/jewish/Why-are-you-always-asking-for-money.htm
Christians are same always asking for money. Most ppl will only see, Jews and flip out.... never notice said "Christians are same exact way for money". Exactly why grab the salt shaker and pour it on their open wound when they complain. They have Tunnel Vision.
Who pushed for Social Security to be setup?
Co-Pilot - I knew this long ago. It is in their Nature and Christians are same way. For Jews it is that Tribal Shit and why they promote Socialism and Communism. Jesus is often stated as a Communist or as minimum a Socialist. He did say give Caesar his part though as in work and taxes.
Anyone mad? If you needle focus on Jew vs all of it that is on you. Jews and Christians did a lot of things here that were not good for programs based on the burden of all. Atheist often gripe about just Christians and rarely Jews. It has been both. Now it is fun to watch how Congress Spends money on Arms to give away or say sold when gave away. LIARS.
Want to get Mad about Social Security? hahaha
Ask why Social Security is Failing but Railroad Retirement is thriving. Social Security was patterned after Railroad Retirement. Railroad retirement is Solvent for at least 75 -100 years or more, but SS is dead in 2030 -2035 - reduced to 75%? The Government has fleeced SS. The Railroad Retirement Board is made up of: Govt oversight - represents Amtrak, Private Owned Railroad Officials, and Union Labor Representatives. They did not let Govt STEAL it YET. A big portion was invested in BlackRock and Vanguard like most public - private retirements. The Govt wants to hand Social Security to BlackRock and Vanguard to steal some too. Percentage cuts paid to the Investors.... no real accountability if go bust. Blackrock used retirement security monies to buy property then rent - raised rent. If they foreclose on home loans even better for them too. They can control ppls ability to make house payments in Evil ways if so desire. They control markets.
Until Biden and Congress changed the Law for Social Security Fairness ACT 2025 ppl that had paid into Both as shown had to choose one or the other based on the max of one, but payment could not exceed the max for one. Now ppl that qualified for both can draw both vs getting ripped off. Medicare never stops being paid until you die. Death and Taxes are part of Life.
The Govt is most likely doing Social Security Fairness ACT so can Seize Public and Private Retirements in the future to bail out Social Security. They have tried to do that several times in past Rand Paul was 1 of the politicians. Politicians are ignorant about these programs same as DOGE. The Govt are CROOKS. I do not trust, Musk any further than I could throw him. Seen anyone go to prison - yet fraud is stated everywhere - most ppl know there is fraud.
Again, the Congress has tried to steal various pension funds for years. Harris wanted to tax the shit out of everything. Unrealized Capital Gains tax? WTF. She was talking crazy, so she was a no go.
Govt is always like that except for their own pork barrel .... they guard it like bull dogs. Biden told voters he did not work for them, and he was serious - ENTITLED.
Govt - Congress not only draw big lobby checks - kick backs but have several Govt paid pensions for life after 1 term. They used to get a check from each govt office held so they stayed with it and moved around - upward. That is how Teachers such retire and build new construction sites and buy up land for those ventures which notice are common investments. Lot of times when a teacher gets 10 years as STAFF then they have TENURE - very hard to fire them. They get on local School Boards and draw 6 figure a year and complain not enough - become politicians. Biggest form of payoff is book deals. Like Hunter Biden doing Art or Jared Kushner wanting to rebuild GAZA for profit with his company. Railroads use to Hire a lot of Family for VP type jobs but they didn't do shit. Hunter Biden was on the Board for Amtrak as appointed by Bush Baby.
Criminals Hiring Criminals.
Social Security would have been fine if not forced and was not squandered. Problem is Politicians listen to religious leaders and get votes as a result for directional money flow. Israel must have video and pictures of Congress doing some really bad things. Black Mail. That works too.
We lost when we allowed communism to set foot in and get a firm hold on our government later 1800 to early 1900 era. "Social security" was designed to give Govt control to rule us .... came along later. Welfare is a control mechanism for socialism and communism.
The military draft was ppls first notice that they were not free. Ppl were literally forced to fight and die for a US Govt impoosed cause in CW. Ppl should have rebelled and ended the govt leaders in charge of military draft.
Oh and since am venting the stupid ppl complaining and comparing Hitler to Trump are hilarious. Hitler was a broke ass common man that joined and fought in WW1 and WW2 as lower enlisted - Supreme Leader. Trump is a rich mfer spoon fed wealth, avoided military draft, and no doubt called Former Soldiers suckers that were forced to fight. The Draft Riots in NY during Civil War were correct and it was violation of Constitution to have draft especially when blacks were basically exempt.
The ultimate tax is forced draft. The Rich ppl and Govt pushing Civil War Drafts should have not had any freedoms. The NY Draft Riots should have been and evolved into the actual Civil War. You cant have a free society when the constitution can be suspended to force things that would be illegal same as Martial Law. The government will invent reasons to invoke control to suspend Rights. The government wants a civil war or something to suspend rights but want it to look like they are not outright tyrants. Optics. If you defy the government they will make an example. History has proven this over and over.... anyone trying to be the Leader will be govt focus as prime example to rest.
You have a much bigger problem than realize vs just taxes, social security, or what not. You - we live in an illusion. We are not free. Look at all the things where you and I have to ask Govt "may we".
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Daddy Tanuki
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that was quite the wall of AI induced text wasn't it... at least we agree on a few things.about whatever all that was.
Yes there are many that die before getting anything back from SS. Insurance is like that. I also agree that the Federal government used the SS trust fund in order to justify more deficit spending instead of raising taxes or cutting spending. It is also true that the Federal government has borrowed the country into over $36 trillion dollars in debt. So the possibility is real that the younger generation will not see SS. But then the possibility is real they will see a utter collapse of the system in their lifetime. Sucks to be them.thank god this is in chit chat.... BECAUSE A LOT OF US FREAKING AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.
My Mom paid in for 38 years and died right before you could start drawing it. meanwhile the gubbermint was whining because at the end she was on medicare/medicaid as for the last 18 months she could not work... I know I will never see any of it as I will be working until I am 67 just to put my daughters through college.. such is when you get divorced and remarried and have even more kids... so I know I will probably never receive any of it.
my sister who passed away at 40 paid into it for 20 years and never got a cent. I have been paying into it from my first real job at the age of 14 sweeping a shop floor after school so for me thats 44 years and i will not start drawing it at 62 as it is punitive in nature if you work and make any real money while drawing it...
if congress and the senate had kept their grubby little paws out of it a couple of decades ago, it would not be so close to insolvency as it is.
Drawing at 62 at the reduced rate is a financial decision for people. I did since for me the numbers made sense. If i had been working I would likely have waited until my 66y-10m age for the full rate. Everyone has different situations.
cs1234
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We agree on a great many things, it's just that your bedside manner can be a little rough.
Wall of AI text? There are cites there. The rest pisses you off because there is a part talking about JEWS. hmmmm...
It is not passionate it is where we are at. Pretending ppl have choices and freedom is hilarious.
teal95
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And then there is my brother who paid in for 15 years and has now been drawing for 20 years of disability from leukemia. For the first 10 years he probably could have worked at least part time but the rules make that not work. Now the anti rejection drugs for the bone marrow transplant have him so screwed up that he's only mobile a couple of hours a day.
cs1234
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Joking of course. That's exactly the sort of thing we should do for one another. It could happen to any of us, at any time. It would have been nice if they could have required and found some sort of work he was capable of doing for him to do though. A man thrives on feeling needed and productive.
Dr. Bullets
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There's a lot of arguments for/against social security, but as long as the federal government keeps collecting 6.2% from employees and 6.2% from employers, there will be social security benefits. It may be in a diminished % as it is today, but it will be there.
Dr. Bullets
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The majority of the country has deemed that is the best answer vs homelessness or euthanasia.
Why has it been 20 years of disability. My sister had leukemia and I know the disease quite well. You either die or you go into remission. what exactly happened for this to occur.
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One would certainly hope so. Collecting an amount dogeared for a certain thing, and then not providing the certain thing would be pretty uncool.
That supposes that the massive debt does not derail everything. Hard to fund SS if the dollar loses status or is inflated into meaninglessness (Zimbabwe as a example).
teal95
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Not exactly sure what his excuse is or was. I'm of the opinion that he's milking the system to at least some extent. I take a dim view, so it's good that I'm 200 miles away and can stay out of the family drama.
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