Would you like to try NEW Hybrid gasoline&solar generator 2 in 1 with 1500Wh battery

[Jmhai3]

If you're running it anywhere with a floor, the fumes are trying to kill you. Take that out somewhere that has hiking trails and gravel parking lots and see how well it rolls. You'll rethink your wheels right quick.

It's nice that it's about the same size as a 2kw portable generator, but those wheels are going to mean you have to carry it instead of rolling it.


Exactly! Pictures of it rolling across a concrete parking lot or a freshly mowed golf grass yard mean nothing. Imagine trying to roll that around in places where people actually camp.

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Problem solved...

Introducing the New Honda Motocompacto SGPP (Solar, Generator, Portable Power).
They can sell accessories like knobby tires and a rack for the front and back to hold your cooler and gear.

As Austin Powers would say.

 

[ScrodusGargleRotten]

No one going to mention the entirely awkward angle the handle is at,

You couldn't drag that thing 4 feet without it tipping over

 

[DPC]

Anyone can help me on this? share some feedback about this design, thanks.

I think you have an excellent idea but I'm not sure an all in one is what people need.
You folks in China already build these very smart electric vehicle range extenders.
It would be a viable product if you sold a modular system with separate generator, battery, and solar controller that could communicate with each other.

Use standard parts like the 170F engine so when things wear out they can easily be replaced with off the shelf parts.
Use a standard communications protocol like Modbus or simple relays and inputs to call for the system to start and stop for older systems

Get this to market here with an easy way to control it through an existing solar storage system and I think you would have a very good product.

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

I think you have an excellent idea but I'm not sure an all in one is what people need.
You folks in China already build these very smart electric vehicle range extenders.
It would be a viable product if you sold a modular system with separate generator, battery, and solar controller that could communicate with each other.

Use standard parts like the 170F engine so when things wear out they can easily be replaced with off the shelf parts.
Use a standard communications protocol like Modbus or simple relays and inputs to call for the system to start and stop for older systems

Get this to market here with an easy way to control it through an existing solar storage system and I think you would have a very good product.
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Datum scary when you stick to engineering… you actually make a little sense

 

[DPC]

Ken old boy....
Its nice to see someone is listening....

How often does someone from China ask a question like this?
I tried for a decade to get someone to listen to me in China and custom tailor one of these range extenders for a solar back up and no one was interested.

Here we got a company that has seen the light.
Its just a question of refining the product.

 

[Rita Nie]

I think you have an excellent idea but I'm not sure an all in one is what people need.
You folks in China already build these very smart electric vehicle range extenders.
It would be a viable product if you sold a modular system with separate generator, battery, and solar controller that could communicate with each other.

Use standard parts like the 170F engine so when things wear out they can easily be replaced with off the shelf parts.
Use a standard communications protocol like Modbus or simple relays and inputs to call for the system to start and stop for older systems

Get this to market here with an easy way to control it through an existing solar storage system and I think you would have a very good product.
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You do get the idea, for our this hybrid device, the motor is the extender for the battery, when the battery power is low, the motor can be started automatically, when the battery is full, the motor will be stop and standby anytime.

 

[DPC]

You do get the idea, for our this hybrid device, the motor is the extender for the battery, when the battery power is low, the motor can be started automatically, when the battery is full, the motor will be stop and standby anytime.

Sell the battery charger separate from everything and us the 170F engine
Use the Permanent magnet generator...
A good control system that can communicate with the inverter or operate by itself.

Send me a PM.
We can have a private conversation by phone
I tried to get several manufacturers to listen to me to build me a system I could sell for this application.
No one would listen.
If you listen maybe we can make a deal.
If not you at least get some free advice...

I understand this product and the needs of the market here in Canada.

If you can sell it in Canada and make it a success you can sell it anywhere.

 

[doing it different]

Sell the battery charger separate from everything and us the 170F engine
Use the Permanent magnet generator...
A good control system that can communicate with the inverter or operate by itself.

Send me a PM.
We can have a private conversation by phone
I tried to get several manufacturers to listen to me to build me a system I could sell for this application.
No one would listen.
If you listen maybe we can make a deal.
If not you at least get some free advice...

I understand this product and the needs of the market here in Canada.

If you can sell it in Canada and make it a success you can sell it anywhere.

if your going to make it electronic

Have proper display without touch screen. And real buttons.
intuitive enough not to need a manual to understand all the short forms,

maybe BT but perfably no apps that get outdated, everyone wanting their own app is dumb. Overkill app seems quite universal.

 

[DPC]

if your going to make it electronic

Have proper display without touch screen. And real buttons.
intuitive enough not to need a manual to understand all the short forms,

maybe BT but perfably no apps that get outdated, everyone wanting their own app is dumb. Overkill app seems quite universal.

Its got to be electronic with a PM head your need a controller that regulates voltage and current entirely by engine RPM.
But thats an advantage to this kind of system because the high output impudence lends itself to some current limiting that the engine can override by turning harder if needed, say picking up an additional heavy load while charging...

 

[Daddy Tanuki]

Sell the battery charger separate from everything and us the 170F engine
Use the Permanent magnet generator...
A good control system that can communicate with the inverter or operate by itself.

Send me a PM.
We can have a private conversation by phone
I tried to get several manufacturers to listen to me to build me a system I could sell for this application.
No one would listen.
If you listen maybe we can make a deal.
If not you at least get some free advice...

I understand this product and the needs of the market here in Canada.

If you can sell it in Canada and make it a success you can sell it anywhere.

Dude make sure they can som110/240 split phase as well

 

[DPC]

Dude make sure they can som110/240 split phase as well

I've done a little research on this company.

-Battery products-Energy storage batteryNew Energy Business Unit

I've asked for more information.

Waiting for reply...

 

[50ShadesOfDirt]

Nobody in the USA is going to repair the product as shown by OP ... my guess is it will be too heavy/bulky to ship back for repair, if you had a USA location to ship to?

Without it being modular, there will be no keeping this thing running. Remember, over here, we know how to kill a fuel generator in short order, especially one running on gasoline. Small engine repair shops ... backed up for months at a time, and they'd probably pass on this one, because it doesn't look like the type of system they normally work on.

So, the idea is great, but the implementation of a single unit form factor is problematic. We need to be able to modularly pull out the fuel generator (or any other failing part) and replace it with another shipped to us, not throw the whole thing away like any typical solar generator design.

If vendor doesn't have USA warehouse, local repair folks, etc., it's a solar generator that goes a little further with the fuel generator incorporated into it, but will still be thrown away like a solar generator.

All the warranty in the world won't make it easy to repair, if not coupled with USA service(s), and a design that makes it super easy to repair ...

 

[wpns]

You do get the idea, for our this hybrid device, the motor is the extender for the battery, when the battery power is low, the motor can be started automatically, when the battery is full, the motor will be stop and standby anytime.

Yes, we get it, but that only works if the total load is (significantly) less than 500W. If it's 500W the generator will never stop, if it's more than 500W the battery will continue to run down (but slower), and if it's (say) 400W, then it'll run 80% of the time.

 

[ScrodusGargleRotten]

Yes, we get it, but that only works if the total load is (significantly) less than 500W. If it's 500W the generator will never stop, if it's more than 500W the battery will continue to run down (but slower), and if it's (say) 400W, then it'll run 80% of the time.

Exactly, might as well just have a gas generator at that point as it will never be off

 

[DPC]

Nobody in the USA is going to repair the product as shown by OP

Thats why I asked the very pointed question about the engine.

170F is very common Chinese clone based on the Honda GX200.
If the right combination of parts is chosen then its pretty easy to source parts

See...
If I know what its made from I can probably fix it..

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...ing to import kits or generators and engines.

 

[50ShadesOfDirt]

Until it gets modular, even knowing how to source parts won't help most of us ... every small engine "repair shop" (if you are lucky enough to have one nearby) is backed up for months. The small-engine folks can source parts, but it'll be months that this thing is down for me (waiting in a small-engine repair queue) ...

If I can swap the entire fuel-generator module with a newly shipped to me module, in some kind of warranty replacement scheme, that's starting to get palatable ... now it's up and running in a few days/weeks of warranty swapping process. Otherwise, the whole unit turns into a disposable purchase (I avoid disposable purchases, unless way under $100).

 

[DPC]

The small-engine folks can source parts

You can get parts from China DHL in 5 days or less

 

[wpns]

Thats why I asked the very pointed question about the engine.

170F is very common Chinese clone based on the Honda GX200.
If the right combination of parts is chosen then its pretty easy to source parts

See...
If I know what its made from I can probably fix it..

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003417170503.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.62b2673c753Ugs&algo_pvid=f03183c9-91f4-42a8-9c46-e46e577568b4&algo_exp_id=f03183c9-91f4-42a8-9c46-e46e577568b4-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%222%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%2151.69%2136.18%21%21%21255.26%21178.67%21%402101eab017435292478755310e10b4%2112000041375746156%21sea%21CA%210%21ABX&curPageLogUid=w3CJYgKBavp8&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008025672296.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller.4.59f72f9bWjiUAA&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.354490.0&scm_id=1007.40050.354490.0&scm-url=1007.40050.354490.0&pvid=345aa25e-d016-46e6-80a0-c94b8e540fba&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.354490.0,pvid:345aa25e-d016-46e6-80a0-c94b8e540fba,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238112%231997&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%221%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%2C%22sceneId%22%3A%2230050%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%2160.40%2157.38%21%21%21298.27%21283.36%21%40210337bc17435292595504640e5aee%2112000043304692252%21rec%21CA%21%21ABXZ&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008594238135.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.272a1f38fYqoEy&algo_pvid=6db4e2f3-7b51-46d2-85c3-dd1eabe605f5&algo_exp_id=6db4e2f3-7b51-46d2-85c3-dd1eabe605f5-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%22-1%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21CAD%21126.46%2194.13%21%21%21624.47%21464.81%21%40210318ec17435295065185035e454d%2112000045875961875%21sea%21CA%210%21ABX&curPageLogUid=F94zNT3TcVpa&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A

I had a pretty good relationship with Wsepo at one time and they were kind enough to list parts for these things.
But I was never able to get anything up and running to import kits or generators and engines.

FWIW if you delete everything from the first question mark in those URLs it’ll make it a lot easier to follow (and won’t link back you your account). AliExpress is enough of a nightmare without dragging your shopping history into it.

 

[DPC]

FWIW if you delete everything from the first question mark in those URLs it’ll make it a lot easier to follow (and won’t link back you your account). AliExpress is enough of a nightmare without dragging your shopping history into it.

You should probably ignore the inflatable woman lol

I had no idea I was linking anything thank you....
Uhm...
I screwed up the whole link now

 

[DPC]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001302841636.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003417170503.html

 

[DPC]

Yup completely buggered.

Search for electric vehicle range extender parts WSEPO is one company I have bought a lot of parts from and they are good to deal with.

Ideally the trick is to get someone to put a kit together and build you own.
You just need the right engine, a carb with servo generator controls and an interface device that let you manage the charge rate.
This isnt rocket surgery but it requires parts and time to build without some factory support.

It should be taken seriously.
They are now building 3rd and 4th generations of these things.
No one is selling them here.

Advantages.
Lower fuel consumption because the engine is tuned to the load like an inverter generator except you skip the DC link and inverter back to AC and then DC again to charge

For anyone interested if you need an automatic choke on a small block Honda or clone..
Use the kit from an early Kohler XT series mower.
I like the early version with the vacuum pull of better



There is a guy in England thats selling a set.
But he is using the stupidest automatic choke I have ever seen and servo carb.
I sent him a photo of this and thought he might at least reply and I would help him source parts to replicated it.
He never bothered to reply.

I give up.
Im not even trying to make money just help and no one listens..

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[Zwy]

Harbor Freight inverter generator, 3K AIO, one or more rack batteries would BLOW that thing out of the sky.

Honda 2.2Kw inverter generator, 3K AIO and a 24V battery would be the ticket. Enough power to run appliances and be able to recharge off the nice quiet inverter.

47 lbs (Honda generator) + 11 lbs (GW 3000 24V) + 46 lbs (one 24V LiTime or other)= 104 lbs

Quite manageable. The OP's product weighs 63 lbs but not near the capacity and not modular. The Honda genny could be separated and the heavy 1/2 would be 57 lbs.

 

[DPC]

Purely opinion:

But I think that Honda is a piece of crap
The engine is derived from the GC.
Remember that Honda mower engine you used to see on everything

That was a clone fighter designed to be as cheap as possible.
Its a non rebuildable engine with a rubber belt driven cam belt an oiled bet.
Very cheap...
But good build quality!!!!

That engine killed Honda.
That's why the exited the mower business.

Chinese mowers and power equip are all based on the much more robust GX and GXV series.
And you can buy parts to fix them.

Now bolt that to a generator that need field excitation and runs variable speed > DC link > inverter =] plug in battery charger > AC >DC again
The EV range extender has a lot few steps thats the way to charge batteries...

Just cant buy the dam things here...
( and this is a good engine iron bore ball bearings, gear driven cam in block, and push rods )


Do a search:
See how many times you read Belt slipped off the cam.
Rubber belts and oil don't mix.

GCV190 cam belt slip off

Have GCV190 Honda engine on husqv mower i bought new from lowes few years ago. Engine has been fine, my neighbor uses mower and i know it was nothing he could have done at least I don't think? If he did I would really be surprised. He used it and put it away having had no problems. Went to...

opeforum.com

 

[doing it different]

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That's cool,
what's the specs on that thing....
Be nice if it was a variable voltage. For boosting things in the field. Or charge your battery pack

 

[DPC]

There used to be a machine called a Multi start.
It had Kohler K181 and two large Delco generators.
You could really boost cars with it.
One winter when my Dad was not working he would go the airport and wait with set of booster cables on the hood of his truck for customers whos car would not start.
20 bucks a boost!!!!
Highway robber!!!!
But we needed the money lol.

Those Chinese units are battery charges not boosters.
The one I listed is small, there are larger ones too.

Just not here, its made I guess for markets in Asia and Africa.
Someone totally dropped the ball and forget the solar industry needs a back up.