i'm sorry but this thread devolved into something utterly useless. Who the hell needs 30 pages of bickering over how to tighten bolts on a battery? Seriously just how does that aid in the a meaningful discussion of the batteries themselves? It's nuts how burried some get in the minutia just to try and be "right"...fuck this shit it actually harms the whole point of these forums. Put it in it's own thread somewhere and that would be great. Right now any questions about the batteries gets buried by the incessant bickering over a pretty inconsequential sub-topic. This thread has become unreadable.