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I'm going to put this whole thread on ignore ..... I don't think foreigners have ANY right to attempt to influence US elections.

I disagree. They can definitely voice their opinions in anyway they like so long as it's confined to speech and nothing else.

I do have to ask though, if that's how you feel and it's argument that democrats use as well,

Why is an organization like AIPAC ok?
 
I disagree. They can definitely voice their opinions in anyway they like so long as it's confined to speech and nothing else.

I do have to ask though, if that's how you feel and it's argument that democrats use as well,

Why is an organization like AIPAC ok?
Speech is the primary way election opinions are formed ...... When that speech is from a foreigner, it is foreign influence of US elections. That same foreigner would be livid if we tried to influence their elections .... As it is, they are not even brave enough to tell us where they are from .... one way influence.

When did I ever say AIPAC was OK?

I'm dropping out of this thread .... If you want to continue arguing with a foreigner about US elections .... That's your right. If you choose to ignore the Biden #2 thread, that's your right.
 
Speech is the primary way election opinions are formed ...... When that speech is from a foreigner, it is foreign influence of US elections. That same foreigner would be livid if we tried to influence their elections .... As it is, they are not even brave enough to tell us where they are from .... one way influence.

When did I ever say AIPAC was OK?

I'm dropping out of this thread .... If you want to continue arguing with a foreigner about US elections .... That's your right. If you choose to ignore the Biden #2 thread, that's your right.

I have him blocked. My main point is that foreigners commenting and doing satire and even telling lies and trying to manipulate U.S. citizens in regards to whom we should vote for is a non-issue.

Democrats have tried to make it seem like an issue a la "Russiagate" and of course to have an excuse to be given powers to stop the "foreign influence" which means anything showing Donald Trump in a favorable light.
 
Speech is the primary way election opinions are formed ...... When that speech is from a foreigner, it is foreign influence of US elections. That same foreigner would be livid if we tried to influence their elections .... As it is, they are not even brave enough to tell us where they are from .... one way influence.

When did I ever say AIPAC was OK?

I'm dropping out of this thread .... If you want to continue arguing with a foreigner about US elections .... That's your right. If you choose to ignore the Biden #2 thread, that's your right.
Shit our own govt by Biden is doing election interference and bringing those foreigners in. Ppl can say what they want but those foreign assholes already broke the law coming here illegally They will break the laws if biden supports them staying here and will illegally vote for Biden too. In for penny in for pound.

Bong ooo is Leo….👀🃏
 
I have him blocked. My main point is that foreigners commenting and doing satire and even telling lies and trying to manipulate U.S. citizens in regards to whom we should vote for is a non-issue.

Democrats have tried to make it seem like an issue a la "Russiagate" and of course to have an excuse to be given powers to stop the "foreign influence" which means anything showing Donald Trump in a favorable light.

One last post here to explain a little more of my thought process ..... Most of these chit chat threads are for the lurkers, not the regular participants.
Do these lurkers also have the foreign troll on ignore?

I have no idea how many of the lurkers might actually form an opinion based on what anyone here says.
I just hate the idea of a jerk in another country sitting behind his keyboard trying to influence our elections ..... Good chance Leo / BongDong will disappear again and come back by another new name and claiming to be from Minnesota.
 
I invited you to write down your thoughts about immigration policy, but there you go again, using emotional language to describe undocumented migrants. That doesn't offend me, I don't get offended by people using it clouds your judgement, those "illegal invaders" currently account for about 3.3% of the US population... https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US I have shown you different studies that discus migration.

I have seen no evidence that Biden is encouraging them, quite the opposite, so why are you making things up again? https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record

You are saying that if people came to your borders, introduced themselves and asked to be let in, you would just invite them in? I am not as nice as you are, I don't let people in just because they ask.

I am not looking to change your mind, I don't care who you vote for. Nor do I care who wins the election. I am trying to show you that you guys are just making things up. I am trying to tell you guys to calm down and THINK. I don't like Biden or Trump, but at least try use some reasoned arguments for or against their policies based on verifiable data.

Biden increasing tarriffs on on some Chinese products to 100% does not seem like a good idea. What ar your thoughts on that? Why is it a good or bad idea to impose tariffs?

I saw this and just couldn't help myself ..... I know, I'm supposed to be done with this thread!

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If there is evidence, take him to court, that is where civilized societies determine if some one broke any of the laws. But you are still not getting it, you will still vote for a convict, so how can you judge the other side when they vote for some one who has not been convicted?

I commend you on working hard to get to where you are today and I agree that some people, not just some young people, are lazy. The reason I don't look at the news much, except for some quality publications, is that there is just way too much petty stuff in the news. Trump himself made the news when he went on and on about Obama's birth certificate, it's amusing for about 5 minutes and besides the populist news outlets, I blame Obama for not releasing it way earlier than he did.

I don't know what Biden, or Trump, or Obama, or Bush did to affect the stock market, I am pointing out that the stock market as well as job numbers are at a record high, contrary to the claims some people have made here. When the facts contradict the claims, the people making those false claims make themselves look stupid.

As I keep saying, there is valid criticisms and praise to be had of both candidates, just think...



I never suggested that I was a pillar of objectivity, no one is. But I am not the one claiming that the stock market is down when it is in fact at a record level, I am not the one claiming oil production is down while in fact it is up, I am not the one claiming job numbers are down when they are in fact at a record level. I am trying to tell you that instead of making things up, you could pretend to keep some air of dignity by finding at least some semi valid reasons to justify your vote for Trump, Biden or any other candidate.

The reason I leave it up to the courts to judge if there is enough evidence to convict people of crimes, is because they are far better equipped to deal with the problem of establishing guilt then I am. IF the house feels there is enough evidence, maybe they could pass on the evidence to the courts? Why haven't they done that yet? If they have done that, lets wait for the outcome of the court case.

Influence peddling is common in the US from what I understand, politicians need a ton of money to pay for political advertising, they will take phone calls and meetings with donors and I imagine that at least not all those donors are looking for a friendly chat about the weather. I don't understand why you guys (both sides) allow political advertising. And for what it is worth, both Trump and Biden have been accused of influence peddling, are you willing to have the FBI investigate both and represent the evidence to the courts?

We are going around in circles and I have no idea what else I could possible add to get you guys to understand that I encourage you guys to vote your conviction, just don't make things up.
Since youre not even American why dont you just mind your own fucking business, stop insulting us with your bullshit trolling and dishonest arguments.
 
"And for what it is worth, both Trump and Biden have been accused of influence peddling, are you willing to have the FBI investigate both and represent the evidence to the courts?"

You mean the FBI whose top investigators answered directly to Obama and exchanged emails assuring each other they would stop Trump from getting elected?

You still aint getting it you partisan POS. Theres two justice systems, one for democrats that sees no evil, another for republicans that hangs people for jaywalking. This was made quite obvious when two presidents were investigated for classified documents.
 
Since youre not even American why dont you just mind your own fucking business, stop insulting us with your bullshit trolling and dishonest arguments.
Now only Americans can expose the nonsense you guys post on an open forum, this isn't Russia. Exposing made up stories isn't insulting and even if your feeling did get hurt by the facts, you are not allone, you have your buddies here to comfort you.

There is nothing partisan about the fact that the economy is doing well, that the stock market is at a record high, that there are more people employed today than ever before, that just recently wages are starting to keep up with inflation, that oil production is up. Why would that be trolling? Why would that be partisan? I even posted things I liked about Trump and things I disliked about Biden.

Even if Biden were a criminal, advocating to vote for Trump would show that you are quite willing to vote for (convicted) criminals . Add this to the invented stories I eposed and you only succeed in undermining your claim that there are two justice systems (one for republicans and one for democrats) Why would any one take you seriously? Considering that Trump is a billionair and he can afford the best law teams your country has to offer and he still got convicted.

I don't care who you elect, however I am interested to see why you feel this need to make stuff up, why you hate your fellow Americans so much. I tried to lead you guys to post reasoned arguments as to why you prefer one candidate over the other, I have even tried to accomodate you guys whenever you guys changed the subjects and exposed those new stories as inventions that have no bearing on reality, why is that "trolling"?

And yes, if I were an American, I would want to do something about campaign financing and political advertising. There is no need to investigate "influence peddeling", it is done openely, so I assume that it is legal. Bilionair donors can even summone presidential hopefuls for private meetings. However if it is eillegal and it should be in my books, I certainly hope you guys go after all of them with the full force of the law.
 
So how about exposing made up stories such as "Russian Interference", "Safe and Effective", "cLIEmate change", etc?
Too weak, or it doesnt suite the narrative?
 
So how about exposing made up stories such as "Russian Interference", "Safe and Effective", "cLIEmate change", etc?
Too weak, or it doesnt suite the narrative?
You can’t talk to Leo that way. Stop it Never mind we are about to Hit $35 Trillion owed. Economy prop by spending tax payer money is bs
 
Now only Americans can expose the nonsense you guys post on an open forum, this isn't Russia. Exposing made up stories isn't insulting and even if your feeling did get hurt by the facts, you are not allone, you have your buddies here to comfort you.

There is nothing partisan about the fact that the economy is doing well, that the stock market is at a record high, that there are more people employed today than ever before, that just recently wages are starting to keep up with inflation, that oil production is up. Why would that be trolling? Why would that be partisan? I even posted things I liked about Trump and things I disliked about Biden.

Even if Biden were a criminal, advocating to vote for Trump would show that you are quite willing to vote for (convicted) criminals . Add this to the invented stories I eposed and you only succeed in undermining your claim that there are two justice systems (one for republicans and one for democrats) Why would any one take you seriously? Considering that Trump is a billionair and he can afford the best law teams your country has to offer and he still got convicted.

I don't care who you elect, however I am interested to see why you feel this need to make stuff up, why you hate your fellow Americans so much. I tried to lead you guys to post reasoned arguments as to why you prefer one candidate over the other, I have even tried to accomodate you guys whenever you guys changed the subjects and exposed those new stories as inventions that have no bearing on reality, why is that "trolling"?

And yes, if I were an American, I would want to do something about campaign financing and political advertising. There is no need to investigate "influence peddeling", it is done openely, so I assume that it is legal. Bilionair donors can even summone presidential hopefuls for private meetings. However if it is eillegal and it should be in my books, I certainly hope you guys go after all of them with the full force of the law.
Oh would YOU cut with the goddamn bullshit about how great you think the economy is and suggesting I am making things up when I provided a credible source that explained that it sucks?

Which you didnt seem to get a damn thing out of except something you could cherry pick to support your ignorant views?

The economy sucks for the average American. The stock market is not a gauge for them. Low unemployment just means people are working their asses off to make ends meet. Why do we need to keep explaining this to you?

Whats next you gonna tell us how sharp Biden was at the debates?
Fuck this Im just gonna block your stupid dishonest liberal trolling ass. You and Biden and his crackhead son can take your stacks of cash to the casino for all I care.
In 3 1/2 years the cost to purchase a home has DOUBLED. Rents have gone up 4/10ths of a percent for each of 36 months in a row! Food, fuel, and energy have skyrocketed and 10 million criminals snuck in.
These are facts dipshit.
Biden is fucking this country up good. He will be gone in January and thats not soon enough.
 
Oh would YOU cut with the goddamn bullshit about how great you think the economy is and suggesting I am making things up when I provided a credible source that explained that it sucks?

Which you didnt seem to get a damn thing out of except something you could cherry pick to support your ignorant views?

The economy sucks for the average American. The stock market is not a gauge for them. Low unemployment just means people are working their asses off to make ends meet. Why do we need to keep explaining this to you?

Whats next you gonna tell us how sharp Biden was at the debates?
Fuck this Im just gonna block your stupid dishonest liberal trolling ass. You and Biden and his crackhead son can take your stacks of cash to the casino for all I care.
In 3 1/2 years the cost to purchase a home has DOUBLED. Rents have gone up 4/10ths of a percent for each of 36 months in a row! Food, fuel, and energy have skyrocketed and 10 million criminals snuck in.
These are facts dipshit.
Biden is fucking this country up good. He will be gone in January and thats not soon enough.
It is Leo to a T and dot the i 😁
 
Oh would YOU cut with the goddamn bullshit about how great you think the economy is and suggesting I am making things up when I provided a credible source that explained that it sucks?

Which you didnt seem to get a damn thing out of except something you could cherry pick to support your ignorant views?

The economy sucks for the average American. The stock market is not a gauge for them. Low unemployment just means people are working their asses off to make ends meet. Why do we need to keep explaining this to you?

Oil production is up BIG FUCKING DEAL. That means crude oil prices are high so domestic producers ramp up production IT DOES NOT MEAN PRICES ARE DOWN AT THE PUMP NOR THAT PRICES OF COMMODITIES THAT DEPEND ON FUEL ARE COMING DOWN.

Why do you keep throwing out useless statistics you dont possibly begin to understand?

Domestic oil production has some of the highest lift costs in the world, so it varies by the price of world crude- not Bidem opening or closing leases.

Consumers actually do well when we import oil because its cheaper. Energy independence should never be the sole goal.



Whats next you gonna tell us how sharp Biden was at the debates?
Fuck this Im just gonna block your stupid dishonest liberal trolling ass. You and Biden and his crackhead son can take your stacks of cash to the casino for all I care.
In 3 1/2 years the cost to purchase a home has DOUBLED. Rents have gone up 4/10ths of a percent for each of 36 months in a row! Food, fuel, and energy have skyrocketed and 10 million criminals snuck in.
These are facts dipshit.
Biden is fucking this country up good. He will be gone in January and thats not soon enough.
 
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Oh would YOU cut with the goddamn bullshit about how great you think the economy is and suggesting I am making things up when I provided a credible source that explained that it sucks?

Which you didnt seem to get a damn thing out of except something you could cherry pick to support your ignorant views?

The economy sucks for the average American. The stock market is not a gauge for them. Low unemployment just means people are working their asses off to make ends meet. Why do we need to keep explaining this to you?

Whats next you gonna tell us how sharp Biden was at the debates?
Fuck this Im just gonna block your stupid dishonest liberal trolling ass. You and Biden and his crackhead son can take your stacks of cash to the casino for all I care.
In 3 1/2 years the cost to purchase a home has DOUBLED. Rents have gone up 4/10ths of a percent for each of 36 months in a row! Food, fuel, and energy have skyrocketed and 10 million criminals snuck in.
These are facts dipshit.
Biden is fucking this country up good. He will be gone in January and thats not soon enough.
The S&P 500 has climbed 62% since Biden's election in November 2020. By comparison, the S&P 500 rose 57.5% in the four years after Trump's election in November 2016. Under Trump the economy lost 2.9 million jobs. By comparison to date the economy has added over 15 million jobs under Biden. About 9 million of those jobs were lost during the pandemic, net jobs gain from pre-pandemic levels is 5.5 million. Wage increases even though until recently were outpaced by inflation under Biden have been especially robust for poorer people. What metrics do you use for your claim that the economy is doing so poorly?

And there you go off on a tangent again, this time with the debate. I don't care who wins the election and I have no desire to watch debates between the two main candidates, I find I am unlikely to learn anyhing new by watching them. I don't care how likable a candidate is, I only care about their policies and how likely it is that they will follow up on them. However the few news reports I do read claim that Trump looked better than Biden. If Biden had done better than Trump, would you vote for Biden?

But lets try to follow your latest tangent... As far as I am aware, house prices tend to go up when the economy is doing well AND interest rates are low. In the U.S. The economy under Trump was also doing well, employment numbers were not. There was a spending splurge of trillions of dollars in federal funding that were pumped into the economy during the pandemic, including three rounds of government stimulus checks distributed to qualifying households. Two of those stimulus payments were part of bills signed into law in 2020 by Trump, while the other payment to most Americans was in the American Rescue Plan Act that Biden signed in March 2021. According to Fox buisiness, Trump added about 8.4 trillion to the national debt while Biden has added 4.3 trillion to the national debt so far and it will go up before the year is out.

Central banks usually have a mandate to keep inflation at around 2% (this seems to be the internation norm. They are supposed to do their work independently, although you can question how independent they really are as they are appointed by politicians. Your current head of the federal reserve Jerome Powel, is a republican and he was appointed by Trump. Powell received bipartisan praise for the actions taken by the Federal Reserve in early 2020 to combat the financial effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. (notice another nice thing I have to say about Trump) According to the federal reserve the average sales price of houses rose sharply (70%) between Q2 2020 and Q2 2022 (371,100 - 525,100) and have dropped slightly since in response to the high (5.33%) interest rate. The interest rate is expected to drop by the end of this year since inflation is coming down. House prices will probably continue to rise, due to low available stock (fewer homes were build during Tump's term due to the pandemic) high employment, higher wages and lower interest rate. Great when you own property, not so great when you are a new buyer. HOW will your prefered candidate make American housing affordable? What are their proposals? THINK.

Now let me introduce a tangent of my own. Trump doesn't say much about policy, but many of his supporters are working on "project 2025" for Trump to implement if he wins the election. No idea if he will or won't implement all or parts of it, but replacing merrit based positions in government with political appointees is a really dumb idea. (Surely you wouldn't want democrats to make those appointments, but if project 2025 is implemented, it is higly likely that one day a party you don't like will become the governing party and are likely to replace all those political appointees with their own) THINK.

I keep asking you guys to THINK, make valid arguments for and against the candidates. Claiming that the economy is not doing well, that employment numbers are bad, that oil production is down, wile the opposite is true, doesn't help your case, it makes you look like an idiot. Claiming that Biden, who has not been convicted of any crime, is a criminal, while Trump is an actual convict, undermines your underlying argument that people shouldn't vote for criminals. You introduced yet another tangent, Biden's son used coke, would you vote differently if one of Trump's kids used coke? THINK.
 
When you take a country that was shut down due to covid back out of shut down and everything comes back online there is no reason to rejoice except for dishonest ppl like you with number twisting.
Twister. Double jointed.

You are a lucky man you have 2 peckers. Wait is that 2nd pecker in your mouth. Wait who is that guy in picture with you? Is that you and Leo? Both of you look just alike.

Is it gay to photo shop yourself giving yourself head. Me says you do you…. You take it literally. Stop. Wait you have your head up your own ass.
Not having sex …you be having lunch. The Leo reveal.

Get some real numbers everything has went up around 50% for cost of living except wages.
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The S&P 500 has climbed 62% since Biden's election in November 2020. By comparison, the S&P 500 rose 57.5% in the four years after Trump's election in November 2016. Under Trump the economy lost 2.9 million jobs. By comparison to date the economy has added over 15 million jobs under Biden. About 9 million of those jobs were lost during the pandemic, net jobs gain from pre-pandemic levels is 5.5 million. Wage increases even though until recently were outpaced by inflation under Biden have been especially robust for poorer people. What metrics do you use for your claim that the economy is doing so poorly?

And there you go off on a tangent again, this time with the debate. I don't care who wins the election and I have no desire to watch debates between the two main candidates, I find I am unlikely to learn anyhing new by watching them. I don't care how likable a candidate is, I only care about their policies and how likely it is that they will follow up on them. However the few news reports I do read claim that Trump looked better than Biden. If Biden had done better than Trump, would you vote for Biden?

But lets try to follow your latest tangent... As far as I am aware, house prices tend to go up when the economy is doing well AND interest rates are low. In the U.S. The economy under Trump was also doing well, employment numbers were not. There was a spending splurge of trillions of dollars in federal funding that were pumped into the economy during the pandemic, including three rounds of government stimulus checks distributed to qualifying households. Two of those stimulus payments were part of bills signed into law in 2020 by Trump, while the other payment to most Americans was in the American Rescue Plan Act that Biden signed in March 2021. According to Fox buisiness, Trump added about 8.4 trillion to the national debt while Biden has added 4.3 trillion to the national debt so far and it will go up before the year is out.

Central banks usually have a mandate to keep inflation at around 2% (this seems to be the internation norm. They are supposed to do their work independently, although you can question how independent they really are as they are appointed by politicians. Your current head of the federal reserve Jerome Powel, is a republican and he was appointed by Trump. Powell received bipartisan praise for the actions taken by the Federal Reserve in early 2020 to combat the financial effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. (notice another nice thing I have to say about Trump) According to the federal reserve the average sales price of houses rose sharply (70%) between Q2 2020 and Q2 2022 (371,100 - 525,100) and have dropped slightly since in response to the high (5.33%) interest rate. The interest rate is expected to drop by the end of this year since inflation is coming down. House prices will probably continue to rise, due to low available stock (fewer homes were build during Tump's term due to the pandemic) high employment, higher wages and lower interest rate. Great when you own property, not so great when you are a new buyer. HOW will your prefered candidate make American housing affordable? What are their proposals? THINK.

Now let me introduce a tangent of my own. Trump doesn't say much about policy, but many of his supporters are working on "project 2025" for Trump to implement if he wins the election. No idea if he will or won't implement all or parts of it, but replacing merrit based positions in government with political appointees is a really dumb idea. (Surely you wouldn't want democrats to make those appointments, but if project 2025 is implemented, it is higly likely that one day a party you don't like will become the governing party and are likely to replace all those political appointees with their own) THINK.

I keep asking you guys to THINK, make valid arguments for and against the candidates. Claiming that the economy is not doing well, that employment numbers are bad, that oil production is down, wile the opposite is true, doesn't help your case, it makes you look like an idiot. Claiming that Biden, who has not been convicted of any crime, is a criminal, while Trump is an actual convict, undermines your underlying argument that people shouldn't vote for criminals. You introduced yet another tangent, Biden's son used coke, would you vote differently if one of Trump's kids used coke? THINK.
We do THINK, you are a moron that doesn't have a clue how things operate in the real world as a US citizen.
You're the one looking like an idiot, Leo2.
 
We do THINK, you are a moron that doesn't have a clue how things operate in the real world as a US citizen.
You're the one looking like an idiot, Leo2.
Personal attacks by using the fact that I am not an American citizen? You can expect that "logic" from a toddler, from an adult it just comes across as bigotry. It's like saying that all Americans are stupid because they elected Biden (or Trump). Let me show you how you do personal attacks properly.

Start of with some indisputable facts.

In the real world employment is at a record high.
In the real world the stock market is at a record high.
In the real world U.S. oil is at a record high.
In the real world Trump is a convicted felon.

Follow up with basic logic about the state of mind of the people who claimed otherwise.

If any one on this forum thread believes that the opposite of any of those things is true, that person is either misinformed, or stupid.

Finish with the insult and since you used the collective "we", I will insult a bunch of you as you can console each other.

Clearly you guys are NOT misinformed since I pointed out those facts more than once and no one has disputed those facts.

Another way would have been way more subtle, but would you be able to see the underlying insult?

Instead of disputing the facts, you chose to resort to personal attacks.

The insult only works if you understand that by not acknowledging the facts, you give the impression that you still believe in falsehoods, which makes you look stupid, get it?
 
Personal attacks by using the fact that I am not an American citizen? You can expect that "logic" from a toddler, from an adult it just comes across as bigotry. It's like saying that all Americans are stupid because they elected Biden (or Trump). Let me show you how you do personal attacks properly.

Start of with some indisputable facts.

In the real world employment is at a record high.
In the real world the stock market is at a record high.
In the real world U.S. oil is at a record high.
In the real world Trump is a convicted felon.

Follow up with basic logic about the state of mind of the people who claimed otherwise.

If any one on this forum thread believes that the opposite of any of those things is true, that person is either misinformed, or stupid.

Finish with the insult and since you used the collective "we", I will insult a bunch of you as you can console each other.

Clearly you guys are NOT misinformed since I pointed out those facts more than once and no one has disputed those facts.

Another way would have been way more subtle, but would you be able to see the underlying insult?

Instead of disputing the facts, you chose to resort to personal attacks.

The insult only works if you understand that by not acknowledging the facts, you give the impression that you still believe in falsehoods, which makes you look stupid, get it?
No one including you have disputed that you are Leo. 👀😁☑️

Why did you drop the other name?

Another super user on here. Bongo with super powers. High asf.

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Him sound angry too.
 

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