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    BLS Battery Store Issue - 176Ah 8 Pack

    You did cells, not a battery. That is one of the reasons you are getting a better price. It is entirely possible, I would say even likely, that the cells are just out of balance, not deficient. When you buy cells, you need to have the equipment to handle cells. If you want a plug and play...
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    Ug. Didn't think everything through now my shoulders hurt.

    In general, a four cell BMS is not rated to disconnect a 24V load. If you are lucky, the output MOSFETs of the BMS will fail open, leaving you with an unusable battery. If you are less lucky, the MOSFETs will fail shorted, leaving you with no protection for your cells. Good thing you stayed...
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    150Ah 4s BLS initial balance / test questions

    For my capacity tests, I charged with 30A until 3.65V, no CV stage. Rest for 10 minutes, then discharge at 30A to 2.7V. Results varied between 145.5 and 150.7Ah. I've not done any further capacity tests since installing. In my application, a full cycle from full to empty will basically never...
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    Actual dimensions of EVE 280ah cells?

    And anyone not buying things for the first time will know to not trust a spec sheet until you have the product in hand and can verify it.
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    150Ah 4s BLS initial balance / test questions

    I bought the HiGee 150 Ah cells from BLS in about the same time frame. I did full capacity tests on each individual cell using a programmable PSU and an electronic load. That is in no way needed, but it did give me a lot of information. Most valuable to you would be that while all the 33 cells...
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    bench charger vs reg charger LiFePo4 24v

    Your charge cut off voltage should be a function of the charge C rate. If you charge at 1C, a cutoff of 3.65V might be just fine. If charging at 0.15C, like you are, the limit should be lower. The 10A charge on a 200Ah pack would only be 0.05C. Cutoff should be lower still.
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    Coulomb counter that's readable by a computer (Raspberry Pi)?

    The BMV700-series meters from Victron have a serial port that could connect to an RPi.
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    Searching informations about GWL/Power cells quality

    GWL has been a leading distributor of LiFePO cells in Europe for about a decade. I bought my first set of Winston cells from them about ten years back. I've also bought CALB cells through them. In my experience, stock is fresh, packing is excellent, delivery and service is great. You get what...
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    Do my new blue cells need to be packed together ?

    There are plenty of reseller providing spacers, I'm not denying that. Fortune being one of them. I have never seen an actual cell manufacturer selling spacers. And as to the electrical isolation of cells. Just poke your multimeter probes through the plastic cover and measure to the terminals...
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    Do my new blue cells need to be packed together ?

    I've only seen spacers provided by resellers, never by cell manufacturers. But I can not prove a negative. Please show us where you've seen this. If your cells move around enough, relative to each other, to chafe the (very thin) plastic cover, I would say you've failed in securing the cells...
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    Do my new blue cells need to be packed together ?

    Yes, as you understand, it was meant to be worse than worst case scenario figures for the type of battery we're discussing. Aluminium case cells do not have the case electrically connected to any of the poles. There is no need to electrically isolate the cells from each other. Manufacturers of...
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    Do my new blue cells need to be packed together ?

    No one is claiming there is no heating of the cells, that would be ridiculous. Lets do some numbers: Assuming a 150Ah cell, 3.2V nominal, ca 480Wh Further assume a really poor cell with an internal resistance of 0.5mOhm Discharge the cell completely in one hour at a constant 1C load...
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    Do my new blue cells need to be packed together ?

    Är those loads I would not worry about cooling.
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    Do my new blue cells need to be packed together ?

    What kind of loads are you planning for? Until you reach high C rates, the cells don't heat up significantly.
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    Just Place new Order on Alibaba- 280AH x 8 for 1260.00 USD Delivered, Grade A to Canada

    How could you possibly claim that without testing the cells?
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    Finally found a LiFePO4 BMS with Low-temp Charging Protection

    If anyone has a system where they worry about a situation where the system would be sitting without charge for long times, just put the low capacity disconnect of loads a little bit higher. An amp hour is not that much for your loads, but can sustain the average BMS for a very long time.
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    Good cost per W-hr

    That would be 280Ah cells for about $70 / Wh. The "hour" part is important, without it the numbers mean something completely different.
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    Finally found a LiFePO4 BMS with Low-temp Charging Protection

    Decreased voltage will not lead to a higher current carrying capacity for the BMS. The limiting factor is the heat in the MOSFETs. That heat is from resistive losses in the MOSFETs, independent of voltage. A BMS built for 16S will need to have MOSFETs that can handle a voltage of >60V. A BMS...
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    Good cost per W-hr

    The question of a good deal is not only about price. It's about quality of the product, reliability of the seller, location of the good, shipping options, etc, etc.
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    Alibaba LiFePo4 batteries

    Absolutely not. And if there were no signs of damage to the packaging I would be skeptical of how the other cells were handled before shipping.
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    wago lever nuts

    The Wago 773, imaged above, are rated for 24A. Do you normally have 120V circuits rated higher than that? That sounds like the older generations of electricians in Sweden did :) Perhaps early push in contacts were bad? I've replaced plenty of light switches and receptacles from the 90s with...
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    Brass Nuts & Bolts - Where to Get Them?

    They send stainless hardware. What is your point?
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    Brass Nuts & Bolts - Where to Get Them?

    The resistance of the fastener does not matter. The current is carried by the lug directly to the tab/terminal.
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    Brass Nuts & Bolts - Where to Get Them?

    Best conductor is silver. Copper seconds, followed by aluminium. Your lugs are also plated, usually with tin. If you are worried about galvanic corrosion, use an antioxidant compound. The correct solution to not stripping the threads is not overtighten the screws. As said earlier, all...
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    wago lever nuts

    What I think you Americans call wire nuts have not been used in AC installations in Sweden since the nineties. The Wago 221, and other similar models with opening levers, are not used that often since they are rather expensive. We mostly use the simpler versions where you just push the wire in...
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    Brass Nuts & Bolts - Where to Get Them?

    Every battery manufacturer in the world use stainless steel hardware, as do every professional installer. If you think you know better, go ahead with brass.
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    Gold Plated Fuses ? or not?

    The reason that gold plated fuses exist is because technically illiterate audiophiles believe that it will make the sound sent over gold plated optical cables will sound better. A fuse that is mounted properly in a hold might get surface corrosion in a harsh marine environment, but not in the...
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    MC4 Connectors

    MC4 is a brand name for a connector made originally by the company Multi Contact, now owned by Stäubli. Those are very high quality connectors. There are compatible connector from other quality manufacturers. Helios H4 from Amphenol comes to mind. There are also heaps of cheap copies from...
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    Brass Nuts & Bolts - Where to Get Them?

    There is absolutely no need for brass hardware. Stainless is a much better material for fasteners and a lot cheaper. Current carrying capacity is irrelevant. The fasteners role is to clamp the cable lugs to the terminals, not to carry the current.
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    Connecting Two Separate LiFePO4 Banks

    The terminals on both the Higee 150Ah (sold by BLS) and the CALB CA60 are M6 thread, very comparable in size. The bus bars I received from BLS are of this type: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000351777250.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.43653c00wxMfCm&mp=1 For the CALBs, they are of this style...
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    Connecting Two Separate LiFePO4 Banks

    I currently have a 60Ah CALB pack in the boat. Those are installed on a plywood shelf with a frame around the base of the batteries, made of ~45x20mm lumber, to keep them in place. Nylon straps hold the cells down. I'll try to snap a photo next time I'm at the boat. For the new cells, I'll make...
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    Anyone own the CALB 100A/H prismatics? What is your MOhm reading at or around storage voltage (3.29v)

    The equivalent internal resistance of a cell can not be measured by an ohm meter. A cell can be modeled as an ideal cell in series with a resistor. The value of that resistor is what we call the internal resistance of the cell. There is however no way of measuring it directly. Characterization...
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    CALB cells have arrived!

    With a top balancing BMS, you should not be doing a bottom balance of the cells before building the pack. It would just create more work for the BMS, taking longer before the pack is in balance and able to give full capacity. If you want to do balancing before building the pack, do a top balance.
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    Sinopoly 500ah Cells

    Smaller cells give more options for filling the available, iregular spaces on a boat...
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    Alibaba LiFePo4 batteries

    The price has been fixed, in USD, for at least a couple of months. The available discount has fluctuated up and down. Right now it's 0%.
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