Again with the pathetic trying to tell me what I think, what my motivations and intent are. You dont have a clue other than your need to believe that you know what anyone who disagrees with you must be thinking.
Possible increase of heart attack risk after mRNA vaccine.
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Man, you are one nasty piece of work. I thought Canadians were nice.
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No hiding behind the curtain of socialism for you! A communist. This explains alot. Thanks for your honesty.
No. It was not just a science fair (just trying to give you a mental image of where people have posters up and then talk with people) this was actually supposed to be (I don't think it got that far) at an official AHA conference--so it would have been attended by other cardiologists and scientists. There is not enough information to say he falsified data--he has had problems in the past and submitted something here that was sloppy complete with typos. The most one can say in this case is that even if all the underlying data he submitted was true, it was insufficient to draw the conclusions he made. I will use the AHA's own words "he was not clear anecdotal data was used" that is a nice way of asserting that there was no actual randomized control trial. No "data in the abstract regarding myocardial T-cell infiltration" means that his PULS test (which I understand is proprietary to him) does not measure true indicators of actual heart inflammation sufficient to make the inferences he drew.
As to the reasons he did this I can't say. Read the Atlantic article I posted above to get an idea of what is happening in the medical underworld. I can say he previously drew conclusions from his PULS test conclusions and drew condemnation from the cardiology community for suggesting a plant diet was inflammatory.
Yes sarcasm right over your head.
Read his original abstract and tell me if it reads like they did an actual study. He obviously fooled a lot of people. He has added no data and the data he has would not qualify to meet the request of the AHA.
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The PULS Cardiac Test measures multiple protein biomarkers, including hepatocyte growth factor [HGF], soluble Fas, and IL-16, and uses the results to calculate a 5-year risk score for new ACS. The PULS score increases with above-normal elevation.
Ok so what your saying is the protein biomarkers in his puls test dont actually measure heart inflammation?
I get that more his data (which according to you, Dhasper, does not exist)
Just pointing out the "less than truthful" statements you made regarding article, since you dont really know whether the author made this article in order to get an poster at the "science fair".
Should we conclude (since you are making similar assumptions to prove a point or get some credit here, or save nurses or immunocompromised people etc.) that because you made less than truthful statements in regard to the article that everything of what you are posting here to today is false?
Of course not, this is what you believe the author did. Of course it could be possible that not all the data has been released.
Also your keep pointing out a previous study on his puls test in relation to a high lectin diet, which is a totally different study, but are you saying a high lectin diet is not a contributor to inflammation and since it is not which proves his plant based diet theories false, that he must be wrong using his PULS test to show inflammatory markers of the endothelial layers of the heart in regard to taking ththe mRna vaccine?
Your stretching here and trying to draw conclusions based on unrelated things (which is why it only opens up more questions and controversy) with your argument.
I'm just waiting to see if anymore data comes out.
Ok so what your saying is the protein biomarkers in his puls test dont actually measure heart inflammation?
I get that more his data (which according to you, Dhasper, does not exist)
Just pointing out the "less than truthful" statements you made regarding article, since you dont really know whether the author made this article in order to get an poster at the "science fair".
Should we conclude (since you are making similar assumptions to prove a point or get some credit here, or save nurses or immunocompromised people etc.) that because you made less than truthful statements in regard to the article that everything of what you are posting here to today is false?
Of course not, this is what you believe the author did. Of course it could be possible that not all the data has been released.
Also your keep pointing out a previous study on his puls test in relation to a high lectin diet, which is a totally different study, but are you saying a high lectin diet is not a contributor to inflammation and since it is not which proves his plant based diet theories false, that he must be wrong using his PULS test to show inflammatory markers of the endothelial layers of the heart in regard to taking ththe mRna vaccine?
Your stretching here and trying to draw conclusions based on unrelated things (which is why it only opens up more questions and controversy) with your argument.
I'm just waiting to see if anymore data comes out.
Read this: All in there. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucel...an-heart-association-journal/?sh=72573eb47a63
Here is exactly what I said: "The abstract is for him to have a poster board at the AHA conference (like you see at science fairs) and then talk to conference-goers." I absolutely said it was for the American Heart Association. I added the science fair reference, honestly, because I did not think you had ever been to a science conference and would not know what it was. If you look at the articles I posted you will see clearly it was a poster abstract only. Typically when we discuss abstracts they refer to an underlying published study. This was not. This is all that was ever submitted. He had until December 3 to correct his submission.
Ill take nasty over pathetic any day.
And yet you attack me, but not BMcL even when he posts misleading information.
That's good.
If you follow American politics, you have a distorted view of center.
How am I shaming you,I did not ask you to get vaccinated, I asked that you stay home if you do get covid and don't burden the health care system. The reasons we had the lock-downs was to prevent the hospitals getting overwhelmed.
What would I be scared off? I got the booster today, I will most likely be fine unlike the people who can not get vaccinated for medical reasons.
Glad we know where you stand.
Like I said, I got the booster today, I will most likely be fine.
Nope I am probably far more libertarian then you are, but I also believe that with the personal freedoms I enjoy, I also have a responsibility to others. It is why I (nor you , I guess) don't run through red lights...
I don't want you to fall in line with my, or any ones thinking, the world would be a boring place and we would see very little progress.
That is nice, but do you believe we should obey the law?
Thanks.
I agree. (Just don't become a burden to society when the best available solution is free and much easier then running 10km a day)
No, there are no potentially good consequences, unless you are ok with 2% of the people (mostly republicans) dying.
No one is arguing that, it is a fact.
They are not.
Glad you are trying to stay fit.
This "question" could have been answered by a simple google search, the American Heart Association put a notice of concern on it. Secondly you did not acknowledge that you were absolutely wrong about the Canadian government message regarding masks and when I asked if you watched it, you attacked me for being condescending. All you had to do is acknowledge you were mistaken and I would have accepted it. I am not perfect by any means either and acknowledging mistakes shows we are willing to learn, rather then pushing a particular narrative.
It was accessible for any one who wanted to find it, the notice of concern by the publishing authority is a good indication that the article is not considered reliable, researchers would keep it in the back of their minds when they do their own studies. As for the general public, it is obvious that it fooled many people into unwarranted worrying that the vaccines are less safe. It seems to have fooled you as well. Now if you want to accuse the media is making a to big of deal of the new variant, I would guess you are right, their information is not based on anything I have seen from the science. You might not see it, but you did the same.
I live in Canada and yes Canadians are generally nice. Today I got my booster because I have to go on an extended trip out of the country, I just asked the hospital if they had a spare dose at the end of the day (walk ins) so I could get the booster early rather then trying to deal with all the paperwork in and from other countries. They did not have to waste the dose and it helped every one. Bureaucrats would have had a fit...
One of the things I noticed when I traveled in the US, republican supporters, asside from the white supremacists who are just crazy, tend to be nice and helpful as well, just don't talk politics
A lot of people outside the country only see the dumb nasty loudmouths and while you do meet them, most are nice people. The two guys who took Borat into their home are a good example...
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It is the activists who are nasty... doesn't matter if they're democrat, republican, environmental, social justice, police brutality, drugs, education, abortion, or any other issue... When they feel so compelled as to display their idiot opinions and put in effort, it is usually because they've either been traumatized or their life is so empty of meaning that they have nothing better to do.I live in Canada and yes Canadians are generally nice. Today I got my booster because I have to go on an extended trip out of the country, I just asked the hospital if they had a spare dose at the end of the day (walk ins) so I could get the booster early rather then trying to deal with all the paperwork in and from other countries. They did not have to waste the dose and it helped every one. Bureaucrats would have had a fit...
One of the things I noticed when I traveled in the US, republican supporters, asside from the white supremacists who are just crazy, tend to be nice and helpful as well, just don't talk politics
Some people are like that creepy lady down the street with 40 cats and 20 dogs... the emotional outlet is just different.. its the same cause.
And while creepy cat lady or activist is a growing demographic, the vast majority of Americans are just normal people with normal boring lives doing the same normal boring stuff as everyone else.
If you want to see interesting... I'm married to a Russian...
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I have seen this Gundry guy on YouTube pushing health info ads about tomatoes or something (never watched them), but they are sort of like that guy selling belts.. y'all know who I'm talking about?
Edit: never mentioned because it doesnt make someone's assertions false...
Aside from all of the logical fallacies made, and odd associations to unrelated things throughout this thread, the underlying fact is Gundry hasnt given enough corroborating information at this time. Well see if he does.
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I am more interested in the results, which is why I loved working with engineers. I understand capitalism and the failures, I understand communism and see how it fails even when people who strongly enough believe in it join communes which fail in the end because of petty infighting. When it comes to healthcare, a single payer system is cheaper and has better results. Now there is no perfect healthcare system possible (we still die in the end) it would be foolish to oppose such a system because people who do not deserve it might use it. Single payer healthcare works because educated people, who are result driven run the systems (despite the efforts of the bureaucrats). On the other hand I certainly do not want the government to make cars. To some that makes me extreme leftists, but any one who has an honest look, will most likely come to similar conclusions.
I am quite libertarian, but I recognize that I have to share this planet with 8 billion others and that we needs some (sensible) rules. Sadly we need to formalize the rules otherwise people will abuse their freedoms to the detriment of others.
I love the creepy cat ladies, they are fun!!! I have a old neighbour who asked me to sign a petition to prevent a restaurant opening up down the road, I looked at the plans and told her that I could not see a reason to oppose the restaurant. I also told her that I appreciated her efforts (I honestly do) and she is actually a very nice person.
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I don't know enough about our healthcare system to have any strong opinions.... well.. other than that it is out of control and broken.
I see obvious problems, but the issues are complex and its just not something I've researched.
Some of the best, most selfless people I have met are activists, some of the the most insufferable/annoying people I have met are activists also, most are pretty average. Like any other group, its easy to (mis)characterize them by the most extreme elements (probably even more so), and easy to overgeneralize. I would also draw a clear distinction between actual activists, and whatever we are to call the opinionating twitterers and social media warriors saving the world through outrage/edginess/being offended on others behalf/boycotts that they forget about the next day. That is not activism, those are not activists.
I could even go to bat for the beaurocrats, but then, I think the pitchforks would really come out from all sides...
I could even go to bat for the beaurocrats, but then, I think the pitchforks would really come out from all sides...
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