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Solar power for central AC system

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I was given 6 panels and an inverter and I want to use this to only power my homes AC. I'm new to solar and I need to know how to do this, is it even possible, what else would I need to make this happen. I live in No Cal and we have plenty of sun and too many days of 100°+ weather here in Lake County
 
Please post the brand and model number of the A/C unit. We can help determine what would be required.

Air Conditioning is a HIGH consumption appliance with high start up inrush current. While it possible to operate A/C on solar panels, inverter + batteries, it takes a big system to do that. Also will require installation of a soft starter on the compressor unless its a new, variable speed type.
 
Let's just throw out a few numbers here and see what we come up with. First, let's assume your air-conditioner is a 5000W unit running on 240VAC.

You really need a clamp meter for this, but the starting inrush power is likely to be 3-5X the running power. So, for the first 500 milliseconds or so, your inverter will need to supply somewhere between 15,000W and 25,000W to start it. There is no single inverter on the market that can do that. You would need at least two LARGE inverters wired in parallel to supply that much power. Two XW-Pro 6448, or two Outback Radian 8048s are likely to be able to power this.

I'd guestimate that to reliably generate 5000W to run the unit, you'd need about 7500W of panels, on rotating mounts that can track the sun. Here's a mount I designed and built that can hold six large 250W residential panels. You'd need five of them, with a total of 30 250W panels to make the required electricity from 8am till about 4pm, assuming they are in a East-West line. If you want to generate 5000W after 4pm, you can orient the line of your arrays more North-South. It really depends a lot on your array spacing and how far apart they need to be to keep from shading each other. I'd say 20' spacing pole to pole, so a linear line of arrays would take up at least 100' of space.

If you went with roof installation instead of ground mounts, the panel count would go up. Let's say you have open roof space to accomidate panels facing due West. Before noon, the angle of the panels is such that you can't expect more then 25% output. You'd need ~20,000W of panels on a West-facing roof to turn on the air-con at noon. After about 3pm, you are likely to reach at least 50% output, and would only need about 10,000W of panels to start the air-con.

Is this starting to sound very daunting to you? It should be. It might be far more realistic to design a system around keep one or two room cool, rather than the whole house.
 

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I was given 6 panels and an inverter and I want to use this to only power my homes AC. I'm new to solar and I need to know how to do this, is it even possible, what else would I need to make this happen. I live in No Cal and we have plenty of sun and too many days of 100°+ weather here in Lake County
Not a good idea. Running central AC off a solar build is not an easy project. In My experience building a system based off a good deal or free equipment costs too much money and time.

Running AC off solar or a pool filter off solar are quite a few people’s first idea of a project.

I don’t see how any six panels will provide enough energy to run a central AC unit. I would expect the AC to pull at least 4 kW when on. At the best 6 panels is 3 kW, probably less. 3 kW of panels may produce 15 kWh of energy on a summer day, and my guess is you’ll want AC when its could and after the peak sun hours so now we’re talking batteries or grid tied.
 
Not a good idea. Running central AC off a solar build is not an easy project. In My experience building a system based off a good deal or free equipment costs too much money and time.

Running AC off solar or a pool filter off solar are quite a few people’s first idea of a project.

I don’t see how any six panels will provide enough energy to run a central AC unit. I would expect the AC to pull at least 4 kW when on. At the best 6 panels is 3 kW, probably less. 3 kW of panels may produce 15 kWh of energy on a summer day, and my guess is you’ll want AC when its could and after the peak sun hours so now we’re talking batteries or grid tied.
I live in lake county northern California. I get a fantastic amount of all day direct sunlight on my south facing roof. The pitch is 4 and 12, almost 90° to the sun midday. But that all sounds irrelevant due to the demands of a central heating and air conditioning system. I really had no idea. I am a carpenter / custom home builder. I have built high end homes in the Napa Valley and truth be known electrical is my weakest area. I thank you for your time and your expertise. Just a quick few things here I would like to say. I rarely (if ever) use my system for heating. Yes it gets cold here (snow but not often) I removed my zero-clearance fireplace and installed an insert pellet stove. Quadra-Fire 1200 which really blasts out the heat. So my central system is used for ac purposes only. PG&E has a strangle hold on us here in No Cal and they're asking for another rate hike. The PUC is spineless and those murders (85 killed in the PGE started "Camp Fire") will probably get that rate hike. Yes I am not interested in cooling my whole home (1854 sq ft top-level home) only the living room/ kit area of the main floor. We use passive cooling methods and I have my attic area positivly ventilated to aid with cooling, but I have a concrete tile roof which heats up around June and does not cool till way past September. One summer it was 116 in the shade in my back yard 3 days running!


So now you can get a better view of my situation and I too have gained perspective on my solar situation. I will continue to gather knowledge and equipment as I meet homeowners and perform projects and I'm always salvaging materials and horse trading with my clients and associates. Hopefully I'll be able to gather/buy additional panels and get to where I can run my system for brief periods on the super hot days without having to overpay those bastards. Oh by the way, now whenever it gets too hot or too windy, they shut off our power so they dont start anymore killer configurations. Like they are doing us a favor!


Thanks again
 
Have you considered a PV hybrid mini split.
They can run off of PV directly, or household power if there is no sun.
Put one in the area you want to cool, and it will supplement the whole house's cooling.
They would PV cool the target area during the day, and use much less power than the central unit when you run them from the breaker panel.
 
Have you considered a PV hybrid mini split.
Not the OP, but mini-splits won’t work to replace central AC ins some circumstances. Just leaves out the smaller rooms where a duct could be run for central AC.

I am considering a minisplit with four heads to replace my central AC for four rooms. There’s actually three rooms that wouldn’t be covered with this plan: the laundry room and the storage closet, and bathroom. A four ton central AC would take care of that requirement, but I’d need a 7 head 4 ton mini-split to get the same cooling. Not sure 7 head would work.
 
I was given 6 panels and an inverter and I want to use this to only power my homes AC. I'm new to solar and I need to know how to do this, is it even possible, what else would I need to make this happen.
Bad idea. You are much better off with a grid tied installation that provides power to all your loads. That way your system pays for itself all, not just in summer.

Here in California you are generally going to need a small battery to make it pencil out, due to the new requirements in NEM 3.0.

Also, in general, ever $1 you spend on energy efficiency will save you $5 on the solar needed to run that load.
 
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