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EG4 12KPV ALL-IN-ONE HYBRID INVERTER

I agree that it would be great to mix in match models (and I brought this up in the past). I just don't see that being possible unless you could hook the smaller models output to the larger models grid connection. Maybe you could?🤔.

I mainly want more pv, but a bit more output never hurts. I have an 18kpv and 3 Indoor batteries. I may try AC coupling via a Growatt 10 or 11kw unit. Or hooking up a Victron cc I have. Oregon 8 months a year is meh for sun.
 
RyGuy said:
I agree that it would be great to mix in match models (and I brought this up in the past). I just don't see that being possible unless you could hook the smaller models output to the larger models grid connection. Maybe you could?🤔.
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yes, Will does this AC coupling source feeding of the 18kPV and the 6000XP
RyGuy said:
I mainly want more pv, but a bit more output never hurts. I have an 18kpv and 3 Indoor batteries. I may try AC coupling via a Growatt 10 or 11kw unit. Or hooking up a Victron cc I have. Oregon 8 months a year is meh for sun.
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like to hear the result
 
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sunsurfer said:
1.3kwh per day...hmmm.....not completely horrible for the total capacity of the inverter, but yea still a bit high for those without truck loads of battery. Not the best inverter for off-grid and I suspect not their intended market.

idle power was the #1 reason I went Victron, it adds up.. That and very efficient with an output transformer. They are great for off-grid middle of the road capacity.
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That's actually less than an equivalent victron system. 2x 5k quattros give you the same continuous output but at 70W idle instead of 55W.
 
timselectric said:
That's not AC coupling.
It's just one source feeding another.
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It should be better than AC coupling off-grid, provided the programming is correct. IE can be configured to not charge the battery from the generator port, since that would be wasteful extra conversion

I remember reading some stuff about the 18kpv not doing AC assist correctly.
 
Great product! The 55 watts consumption in standby mode is a bit high, but I just ordered one from The Cabin Depot, and it works great! Plus, I think it's the cheapest price I've found online.
 
niktak11 said:
That's actually less than an equivalent victron system. 2x 5k quattros give you the same continuous output but at 70W idle instead of 55W.
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How about a pair of Multiplus II 5k @ 15watts each? And you get an output transformer too!
 
sunsurfer said:
How about a pair of Multiplus II 5k @ 15watts each? And you get an output transformer too!
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Yeah need to wait for the bigger quattro 2s based on the mp2s to get the zero load consumption down there. No doubt we'll see them in outside US regions first.
 
TOU47 said:
I bought an 18kPV when they first came out (trade in... before the 6000XP's were available) & will need another inverter to go with it when I finish my house (23kW of panels). Looks like I should have waited & gotten two 12kPV's?

Price of being an early adopter I guess. 😉 Since you really can't mix & match their tech (inverters or batteries), I think another 18kPV is still going to have to be the plan even though I will never be ON-grid & never net-metering. etc. My nature is to overbuild everything...the 18kPV accomplishes this, just at a steeper price.

That said, as noted many times before, I really think SS/EG4 should make the 18kPV's, the 6000XP's & now the 12kPV's all play nicely together in the same sandbox. Thereby allowing mixing & matching as well as & ESPECIALLY forward & backwards compatibility. It gets awfully expensive trying to start over each time... unless you are you Will. 😂
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Yes that would be cool. I'm in the same thought, could use a little more surge and one of the new choices could have made this possible. The customer options in a particular line of equipment should be priority.
 
Brucey said:
People with continuing problems with their EXs have had 1 for 1 exchanges for $0. So I wouldnt necessarily pay an extra $750 to fix something that should be working
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While I agree with this, I do wonder if the 12KPV will have any kind of offer on a trade in.
 
Will this work grid-tied only, no battery or backup load (already have a NG generator and would add battery in year or so)? I saw something about the 18kpv could but there was a post saying it was not working properly a few months back...wondering if this is improved on the new unit.
 
Brucey said:
People with continuing problems with their EXs have had 1 for 1 exchanges for $0. So I wouldnt necessarily pay an extra $750 to fix something that should be working
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I had ordered the upgrade for $750 then thought, why should I pay to replace the 6000ex. I still have it installed, and it works, other than flickering LED bulbs. I may pursue warranty replacement because of that. I'm not quite ready to do that since I just got everything working reasonably well.

I MIGHT spend money to upgrade to the 12k, but certainly not for the 6000xp.
 
DaveNSueM said:
Will this work grid-tied only, no battery or backup load (already have a NG generator and would add battery in year or so)? I saw something about the 18kpv could but there was a post saying it was not working properly a few months back...wondering if this is improved on the new unit.
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Yes, this would be able to be a grid-tied only unit with no battery present.
 
50ShadesOfDirt said:
Don't have EG4 products, and not sure I'll ever buy any, but ...

Nice User (quick start) Guide. It has these nifty parts:
- abbreviations page ... no more WTF abbreviations
- troubleshooting ... looks like every fault code has real, associated troubleshooting steps
- no difficult "english" phrasing

Also has:
- installer/customer-code section, so I guess this item could be tracked (& possibly locked?) by an installer ... bummer

I still note for the record that when you buy EG4, you get no support from EG4 themselves, and will have to rely on the warranty, support/rma processes of their distributors (Signature Solar, Current Connected, etc.). So, if I dig into SigSolar's support processes, I have to go to the FAQ page, and read through the "tech support" and "rma" sections to understand how support will happen.

Basically, a tiered system of tech support (levels 1,2,3) and the "tech bench team" beyond them, if the product gets returned, and the tech bench team has final say (prob found, prob not found).

This is perhaps not unlike many other product support systems these days, but do note that you'll have to "prove" your installation skills (lots of documented pics, test, etc.) as part of the "getting help" process, and there would seem to be many ways that your installation could be disallowed, because you've documented everything for them.

This is interesting in the day and age of complex electrical devices, where I'd think that it:
- either works or fails internally, tells you what failed and what the resolution is, and is easy to get replacement parts or is cross-shippable
- is protected from external failure by its design, and doesn't require all these proofs (installation pics, etc.)

I still don't think I could buy an EG4 product, without committing a serious chunk of money to my own test process, and testing the heck out of it and all of their processes ... to get to the point where I could run my electrical system in a 24x7 scenario, as I do now with the Magnum equipment (I have a pre-wired 4024). So, not sure what I'd replace the magnum equipment with, if it ever fails.
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Jared and Eric from EG4 support are here all the time. I just had a DM interaction with Eric in the last two days, and he got back to me in an hour...after typical business hours.
 
DaveNSueM said:
Thank you for the confirmation. Do you know if the same functionality is working well in the 18kpv at this point in time? If yes was it just a firmware update?
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I believe it was settings related in previous post that I have seen. However, it is working great in this configuration for the 18kPV.

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zanydroid said:
It should be better than AC coupling off-grid, provided the programming is correct. IE can be configured to not charge the battery from the generator port, since that would be wasteful extra conversion

I remember reading some stuff about the 18kpv not doing AC assist correctly.
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I'm not saying that it wouldn't be better for some cases.
Just that it isn't AC coupling.
Which the 6kxp isn't capable of.

When my system is complete. I will have 3 systems that will be able to help each other. Two, in this manner and a third that will export back to either of those.
 
timselectric said:
When my system is complete. I will have 3 systems that will be able to help each other. Two, in this manner and a third that will export back to either of those.
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Since this thread looks like its run its course, I would love to hear more about how your transferring from one system to the other.
 
green-river said:
Any plans on 9540 testing the 12kPV with the wallmount batteries (indoor and all weather PowerPro)?

Any plans on CEC listing and CSIP approval for the 12kPV?
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I would like to know 9540, CEC, PCS plans

@EG4_Jared

(Also the 18kpv PCS issue does not seem to be fully resolved after couple months, and at this point I sort of have to conclude that EG4 is somewhat reactively depending on bleeding edge customers or integrators in California to find procedural issues. And I don’t think it’s from POCO throwing a curveball either like EG the current Enphase MID/5P witness testing controversy with PG&E)
 
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