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List of Tier-1 inverters?

Jamie.sanders

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being new to solar I, and I’m sure others are interested in a list of tier 1 inverters? With a huge variety of manufactures, is there a listing of the best inverters, with all the Internet influencers and new brands it’s hard to know what’s quality and what is not? What do you consider Tier-1?
 
Personal opinion only... I consider Sol-Ark to be the Tier-1 inverter in my mind's eye. With EMP-hardening option (I have not heard of any other brand with EMP-hardening), providing list of supported 3rd-party 'partners' LFP battery banks that support proper communication with their inverters, native ability to backfeed power to the grid, all breakers, current clamps, etc, supplied, not requiring to spend extra on odds and ends, 10-year warranty, great support, etc, but it does come at a much higher cost...

Pretty much all of the shareholders on our agricultural co-op run them (except for me), they all love them, but I do not own them myself (I purchased MPP for cost savings).
 
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I would consider Schneider , out back , magnum , Victron tier 1 equipment Sol- ark ? Not so much but
I really don’t know much about AIO fantastic inverters .
 
I would consider Schneider , out back , magnum , Victron tier 1 equipment Sol- ark ? Not so much but
I really don’t know much about AIO fantastic inverters .
So what is the advantage you see with Schneider, Outback and Victron Vs Sol-ARK.
I looked at all three of those options and I could not find one reason to go in those directions except for a cost savings versus Sol-Ark.
 
Taking it with a grain of salt...

Seeing here, some list of supposed Tier 1 equipment providers: https://suntiago.com/essential-information/brands-ranking/

And Sol-Ark isn't even on the list hehe...

I think I rather just go by what DIY'ers experiencers see more than what some 'ranking' chart tries to tell you. Half the brands on that chart I've never even heard of. Makes you wonder if those ranking charts are just based on money flows (as per the old adage, 'if you want to understand how the world works, just follow the money')...

In the real world, you see guys like You Tube channel 'Engineer775' down on the front line doing lots of real-world installs, and most of the time he just uses Sol-Arks (unless the customer has some budget constraints)...
 
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I would consider Schneider , out back , magnum , Victron tier 1 equipment Sol- ark ? Not so much but
I really don’t know much about AIO fantastic inverters .

In my opinion as well, I would definitely call Victron Tier 1 for RV-type arena.
 
I’m just old school , that’s all
I am still using every invert I’ve bought midnite magnum out back
that is my experience for what it’s worth .
I hate having to fix or replace a entire system if it can’t be fixed or parts replaced individually
 
I’ll have to look at some vids from 775 I have not seen them yet
he is a smart guy and makes good vids
 
Hmmmm just looking at the list the only inverter I would add to my list is SMA
 
I’ll have to look at some vids from 775 I have not seen them yet
he is a smart guy and makes good vids

Yeah I love to watch his videos, he gets into all the nitty-gritty and even other stuff related to creative off-grid solutions...
 
Yup , he did a deep well pump Installation that really helped me out , I must of watched it 40 times over 2 years
the pump ,wire , pipe and nick knacks cost a Fortune and all the guys in my area wanted a second fortune and my first Born son to install it .
I finely sourced all the material in August and dropped the pump down to 700’ and it went smooth it took 3 hours
I really don’t know why they want so much to do the job ?
 
Personal opinion only... I consider Sol-Ark to be the Tier-1 inverter in my mind's eye. With EMP-hardening option (I have not heard of any other brand with EMP-hardening), providing list of supported 3rd-party 'partners' LFP battery banks that support proper communication with their inverters, native ability to backfeed power to the grid, all breakers, current clamps, etc, supplied, not requiring to spend extra on odds and ends, 10-year warranty, great support, etc, but it does come at a much higher cost...

Pretty much all of the shareholders on our agricultural co-op run them (except for me), they all love them, but I do not own them myself (I purchased MPP for cost savings).
The EMP hardening of the Sol-Ark inverter isn't going to protect it from an actual EMP attack.. It would probably protect it from a solar EMP, which shouldn't even be called an EMP.. and it would probably protect from a lightening strike as well.. But not an EMP attack.

You can get top notch EMP protection by installing any decent Whole House surge protector.. The key is speed.. Siemens FS140 is actually faster than the E1 pulse (Nuclear EMP).. but that still wouldn't protect from the radiative pulse coming through the air.
 
being new to solar I, and I’m sure others are interested in a list of tier 1 inverters? With a huge variety of manufactures, is there a listing of the best inverters, with all the Internet influencers and new brands it’s hard to know what’s quality and what is not? What do you consider Tier-1?

The best inverter on the market is the SMA Sunny Island... That would be Tier 0.

Everything else would be a distance second place... Some good inverters in that distant second though... Just stay away from anything Chinese.
 
The EMP hardening of the Sol-Ark inverter isn't going to protect it from an actual EMP attack.. It would probably protect it from a solar EMP, which shouldn't even be called an EMP.. and it would probably protect from a lightening strike as well.. But not an EMP attack.
That would be good enough for me. I have at least 4-5 close lightning strikes near my house every year. The last one was two months ago and it blew a transformer off the utility pole about 1/2 mile down the road from me. My Sol-Ark tripped into a fault stage but booted back up perfectly. Since then I added in a Eaton whole house surge protector. A Carrington type event is unlikely but it certainly possible one might happen every 100 years or so. an EMP attack is not even an issue on my mind. If another country is attacking the USA with Nukes is pretty much game over time so Solar will be the least of my problems.
 
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The best inverter on the market is the SMA Sunny Island... That would be Tier 0.

Everything else would be a distance second place... Some good inverters in that distant second though... Just stay away from anything Chinese.
No argument there but nowhere near within my budget and does way more than I need at my level.
 
The best inverter on the market is the SMA Sunny Island... That would be Tier 0.

Everything else would be a distance second place... Some good inverters in that distant second though... Just stay away from anything Chinese.
I have owned a Sunny Boy and while I think the Inverter part of all SMA products are very good and maybe the best, I find the Interface to be really dated and clunky as well as the way they expect different parts to Interface with each other. I also don't like the customer support or the documentation at all. It's not that you cannot reach someone, its that the person on the other end has very little technical skill.

SMA biggest problem is that they have fallen way behind and have no real Hybrid solution and their existing product line is a patch work of very expensive different items that still fall short of making a proper Hybrid system.

If your not looking for a Hybrid solution than they are definitely a fantastic choice.
 
The EMP hardening of the Sol-Ark inverter isn't going to protect it from an actual EMP attack.. It would probably protect it from a solar EMP, which shouldn't even be called an EMP.. and it would probably protect from a lightening strike as well.. But not an EMP attack.

You can get top notch EMP protection by installing any decent Whole House surge protector.. The key is speed.. Siemens FS140 is actually faster than the E1 pulse (Nuclear EMP).. but that still wouldn't protect from the radiative pulse coming through the air.

Yeah I realize the EMP-hardening buzz word is for giving people more peace of mind (perhaps a lot to justify burning more money and give the warm-fuzzies). As I said, most of our co-op shareholders like the idea of having that peace of mind built into their setups. I wasn't really sold on that methodology though, since those inverters cost so much for one (and single point of failure if you only have one), they could still blowout due to some 'normal' failure and they wouldn't be able to quickly get a spare for replacement, and be back up and running swiftly.

I just went with MPP (pair of them, for a little extra redundancy at least on the 120v side of things) as I think it's a good solid 'cheap' inverter setup, made in Taiwan, but reputable manufacturer, haven't really heard about failures on them as far as I know.

I was thinking about also getting a couple of Growatts with the auto-transformer for the shop, just to have more 'spares' sitting around. Might even get an inverter just to keep in the faraday container if I thought it was that big of deal and I had some extra cash laying around someday. Or if I upgrade to some other inverters later, can keep a decomm'd pair as more spares.

One of my strategies for potential EMP hardening is just to try and run as much stuff off raw DC power as I can like lighting, motors, etc, try not to use the inverter for much if anything, have spare parts like extra BMSs and other parts like bulbs and motors, that are cheaper cost, sitting in my faraday container, keep a bunch of candles around in case that doesn't work for some reason.

If the parts are cheap price, then I can afford to have more spares lying around. Which is good for when you have a sudden 'normal' failure on Christmas Eve say, then you can go dig around in your faraday box parts bin and find something to get back into operation quickly, then go order the permanent replacement when you can. Or even to help a neighbor if they have a blowout.

It's the same reason why I have 8 older vehicles (instead of one new one), so if one gets a problem, I just take it out of the loop, use other vehicles while I'm fixing that one comfortably at my leisure. I also keep two extra spare iPhone SEs laying around, even restored with my backup image on them, so if mine decides to puke out (which has happened before on a few occasions), then I can swap the SIM and back up in 5 minutes, and figure out fixing the broken one later. I keep spare laptop, spare tools, pretty much spare everything on necessities.

For me, redundancy gives me the warm-fuzzies (no single point of failure) hehe...
 
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That would be good enough for me. I have at least 4-5 close lightning strikes near my house every year. The last one was two months ago and it blew a transformer off the utility pole about 1/2 mile down the road from me. My Sol-Ark tripped into a fault stage but booted back up perfectly. Since then I added in a Eaton whole house surge protector. A Carrington type event is unlikely but it certainly possible one might happen every 100 years or so. an EMP attack is not even an issue on my mind. If another country is attacking the USA with Nukes is pretty much game over time so Solar will be the least of my problems.
The problem is that when a lightening strike blows the EMP protection in the Sol-Ark, you're going to pay an arm and a leg to have it fixed..

If you install your own whole house surge protector, then you can fix it yourself...

Just saying...
 
I have owned a Sunny Boy and while I think the Inverter part of all SMA products are very good and maybe the best, I find the Interface to be really dated and clunky as well as the way they expect different parts to Interface with each other. I also don't like the customer support or the documentation at all. It's not that you cannot reach someone, its that the person on the other end has very little technical skill.

SMA biggest problem is that they have fallen way behind and have no real Hybrid solution and their existing product line is a patch work of very expensive different items that still fall short of making a proper Hybrid system.

If your not looking for a Hybrid solution than they are definitely a fantastic choice.

SMA is not known for fancy user interfaces that's for sure. Your description of "clunky" is actually a compliment compared to my opinion of it.

I think it depends on what each user finds most important.. For me, the most important thing is robustness and reliability.. that it does the job I bought it to do no matter what.. and that it never breaks. Beyond that requirement, it would be nice to have a fancy display, but it isn't required for me.
 
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