If it's accurate, then that's good. But I have a hard time believing their claims considering all the propaganda that comes out. They also claim to be the leader of ev production, while hundreds of thousands of EV's rot in an EV graveyard. Out of every 1000 vehicle registrations submitted, only 3 are approved. But a government credit of 10k per ev persists, if you can build an ev for less than $10k, you can pocket the difference. The same is true for countless other resources, search for china's ghost cities and you'll find a lot of information about entire cities that were build only to remain vacant.
China Installed More Solar Panels Last Year Than the U.S. Has in Total
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We have the largest facility by energy production in the US. It happens to be Nuclear, and it still isn’t the leading source of energy here.
I’m pro nuclear energy but it is seemingly cost prohibitive.
Palo Verde (3900MW) cost $6 billion to build 37 years ago (12 billion in 2021 money) and produces 37,000 gwh annually
It currently employs 2000 full time people and produces energy at 4.3c/kWh
It requires a constant 60,000 gallons of water per minute and is a zero discharge facility, meaning the water never leaves. Most of the water is wastewater from Phoenix, but 3% is ground water. In our desert state….that sells the rest to Saudi (sorry different problem) and 3% of 60,000gpm in 24hrs is 2.5 million gallons of ground water per day
These units are scheduled to operate until 2047 at minimum. So they will reach 60+ years of service.
Springerville generating station (1750MW) burned 5 million tons of coal in 2019. This facility cost $4 billion to build
NASA graph of sulfer dioxide values around the plant:
It used 8.8 million gallons of water per day in 2020 (I didn’t check what this source ie waste or ground and it wasn’t mentioned in the articles I read)
This was set to be in operation until 2066 and will now be shut down by 2032.
It has 375 full time employees
This facility is majority owned by Tucson Electric which has a capacity of 3230MW.
They claim by 2035 70% of that will be all renewable energy
They also have 2,457 megawatts of new wind and solar power systems, including 457 MW that will be coming online over the next year and 1,400 MW of new energy storage systems. They announced 900MW of solar farms by 2025.
The Mesquite Solar Project (400MW) uses 2.1 million panels. It has a 20 year power production contract and cost $1.5 billion.
Canadian solar is opening a plant at this location and will be turning out 20,000 panels/day. (Sounds a bit like what is being discussed about the Chinese economy)
In 2021 according to the EIA private solar export to grid in AZ was 50% as much as utility solar to grid. Not too shabby
Idk what any of this means, but it sure sounds like coal and nuclear cost a lot residually as well as up front. And both take absolute tons of water. Forget the carbon/climate argument…water is kind of a big deal.
Solar sure seems to need far less of at least 2 of those items.
We should install as many panels as China lol
I’m pro nuclear energy but it is seemingly cost prohibitive.
Palo Verde (3900MW) cost $6 billion to build 37 years ago (12 billion in 2021 money) and produces 37,000 gwh annually
It currently employs 2000 full time people and produces energy at 4.3c/kWh
It requires a constant 60,000 gallons of water per minute and is a zero discharge facility, meaning the water never leaves. Most of the water is wastewater from Phoenix, but 3% is ground water. In our desert state….that sells the rest to Saudi (sorry different problem) and 3% of 60,000gpm in 24hrs is 2.5 million gallons of ground water per day
These units are scheduled to operate until 2047 at minimum. So they will reach 60+ years of service.
Springerville generating station (1750MW) burned 5 million tons of coal in 2019. This facility cost $4 billion to build
NASA graph of sulfer dioxide values around the plant:
It used 8.8 million gallons of water per day in 2020 (I didn’t check what this source ie waste or ground and it wasn’t mentioned in the articles I read)
This was set to be in operation until 2066 and will now be shut down by 2032.
It has 375 full time employees
This facility is majority owned by Tucson Electric which has a capacity of 3230MW.
They claim by 2035 70% of that will be all renewable energy
They also have 2,457 megawatts of new wind and solar power systems, including 457 MW that will be coming online over the next year and 1,400 MW of new energy storage systems. They announced 900MW of solar farms by 2025.
The Mesquite Solar Project (400MW) uses 2.1 million panels. It has a 20 year power production contract and cost $1.5 billion.
Canadian solar is opening a plant at this location and will be turning out 20,000 panels/day. (Sounds a bit like what is being discussed about the Chinese economy)
In 2021 according to the EIA private solar export to grid in AZ was 50% as much as utility solar to grid. Not too shabby
Idk what any of this means, but it sure sounds like coal and nuclear cost a lot residually as well as up front. And both take absolute tons of water. Forget the carbon/climate argument…water is kind of a big deal.
Solar sure seems to need far less of at least 2 of those items.
We should install as many panels as China lol
wattmatters
Solar Wizard
This is the expected generation capacity change for Australia's national electricity market through the 2050:
dougbert
Solar Addict
For 30+ years the Intermountain Power Project (IPP) has been producing coal fired electricity in Delta Utah, for use in Utah (including my city) and southern California (78%). Capable of 1,800 MW
It is now scheduled to be end-of-lifed in the next year or two and shut down.
Yet there have been plans to re-purpose the plant into a Nat Gas consuming plant in the short term, and "Green Hydrogen" consuming in the the long termed
Called "IPP Renewed"
It is now scheduled to be end-of-lifed in the next year or two and shut down.
Yet there have been plans to re-purpose the plant into a Nat Gas consuming plant in the short term, and "Green Hydrogen" consuming in the the long termed
Called "IPP Renewed"
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wattmatters
Solar Wizard
On several of the coal power plant sites here which are have been or are soon to be shut down, large scale grid forming battery inverter storage systems are being built. While not generators of energy, it makes perfect sense given the transmission infrastructure already in place and they are capable of supporting the grid.
In total, under construction are batteries capable of generating 7.1 GW and with 15.2 GWh of storage capacity. That's 10 times the capacity installed in 2023. The ramp up is now moving into overdrive (and it needs to).
The 2-4 hour supply market is the key one for transitioning to the next phase of a high rate of renewables in the supply mix. This, along with the few larger longer term pumped hydro storage projects can get us to >90% renewables.
The cost of these large battery projects has halved in a few years and it keeps falling. They are going in everywhere:
Having said that, our biggest energy storage project, Snowy 2.0, a 2.2 GW / 350 GWh pumped hydro project is rapidly becoming our Hinkley Pt / Vogtle, i.e. have a massively overblown budget and timeline.
It will come online 2027-2028, was originally supposed to start operation this year. It will be an interesting few years ahead with all the coal power plant closures.
In total, under construction are batteries capable of generating 7.1 GW and with 15.2 GWh of storage capacity. That's 10 times the capacity installed in 2023. The ramp up is now moving into overdrive (and it needs to).
The 2-4 hour supply market is the key one for transitioning to the next phase of a high rate of renewables in the supply mix. This, along with the few larger longer term pumped hydro storage projects can get us to >90% renewables.
The cost of these large battery projects has halved in a few years and it keeps falling. They are going in everywhere:
Having said that, our biggest energy storage project, Snowy 2.0, a 2.2 GW / 350 GWh pumped hydro project is rapidly becoming our Hinkley Pt / Vogtle, i.e. have a massively overblown budget and timeline.
It will come online 2027-2028, was originally supposed to start operation this year. It will be an interesting few years ahead with all the coal power plant closures.
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