Units moderator. There should be a units moderator assigned.

l00semarble · Feb 14, 2024

I'm not volunteering.

I have to say that I fairly often view threads and then just close them and move on when the units used are all incorrect.

The point isn't to be a stickler and pain the the ass and not help people that don't understand. If someone is asking for help and they have their units all screwed up then help is less likely. The poster needs some help understanding the units used in this trade/hobby and getting them right and understanding them IS helping them.

If there are a variety of moderators maybe one can be tasked to nuke posts with incorrect units and help posters get the units right before posting to forums.

I know there are other threads on units.

Anyway. Pura Vida. Lots of insolation here in Costa Rica right now.

upnorthandpersonal · Feb 14, 2024

Most of the time, someone (me included) will make a post in the thread pointing out the correct units. Nuking the post is not useful, but corrections made in responses help educate people.

740GLE · Feb 14, 2024

I tried in one thread where Kw and Kwhr were interchanged. The OP knew of the issue and didn’t care kept using the wrong one. It wasn’t vital to the thread but still frustrating to read.

After that I kinda gave up, people are gonna do what they are gonna do.

G00SE · Feb 14, 2024

I vote for a moderator to mod the moderators

upnorthandpersonal · Feb 15, 2024

740GLE said:
I tried in one thread where Kw and Kwhr were interchanged. The OP knew of the issue and didn’t care kept using the wrong one. It wasn’t vital to the thread but still frustrating to read.

After that I kinda gave up, people are gonna do what they are gonna do.

At least others reading the thread might take something away from it.

SeaGal · Feb 15, 2024

upnorthandpersonal said:
Most of the time, someone (me included) will make a post in the thread pointing out the correct units.

Yep... @MisterSandals and I help with that a lot too. I think education is best, then hopefully others can pick up on the corrections and one day we'll end up with a lot less occurrences of the Kelvin-Watt-hour.

kommando · Feb 15, 2024

Nobody expects the Units Inquisition.

Some people take it too far, correcting Kw to Kwhr is useful, correcting kwhr to kWhr is anal.

upnorthandpersonal · Feb 15, 2024

kommando said:
Kwhr

kWh - ftfy

Mattb4 · Feb 15, 2024

Why do we ignore kWd, kWm or kWs? Watts are so elusive if you do not give a time scale. Than there is that pesky ah. Should it not be Vah where V =voltage the amps are measured at? Than we have the metric conversions where you have to guess that a certain wire awg size is equal to some odd metric area size.

Units are so confusing it would take a thousand moderators to keep them right. Or 1 moderator reading a thousand posts. Or would that be 1.5 Mods reading ~666 posts?

upnorthandpersonal · Feb 15, 2024

Mattb4 said:
Should it not be Vah where V =voltage the amps are measured at?

No, absolutely not. That's the reason for using Ah in the first place: it completely takes the voltage (and losses) out of the equation when e.g. doing a capacity test.

The Ah by the way is not a measure of energy, it's a measure of charge (Faraday's law: Q = I x t).

Mattb4 said:
Than we have the metric conversions where you have to guess that a certain wire awg size is equal to some odd metric area size.

Same the other way around

SparkyJJO · Feb 15, 2024

My eyes glaze over when someone uses that weird mm2 convention

Tulex · Feb 15, 2024

My experience with working with other DIYers is that most DIYers understand concept better than terminology.
We can correct them all day long, and should, but it doesn't change what they are trying to do.

grizzzman · Feb 15, 2024

l00semarble said:
I'm not volunteering.

I have to say that I fairly often view threads and then just close them and move on when the units used are all incorrect.

The point isn't to be a stickler and pain the the ass and not help people that don't understand. If someone is asking for help and they have their units all screwed up then help is less likely. The poster needs some help understanding the units used in this trade/hobby and getting them right and understanding them IS helping them.

If there are a variety of moderators maybe one can be tasked to nuke posts with incorrect units and help posters get the units right before posting to forums.

I know there are other threads on units.

Anyway. Pura Vida. Lots of insolation here in Costa Rica right now.

I am personally against any form of free speech control. We all have learned through our mistakes. Correct and move on. Remember there are many "lurkers" in this forum. In my opinion it is also good to learn from others mistakes. I know I have.

upnorthandpersonal · Feb 15, 2024

SparkyJJO said:
My eyes glaze over when someone uses that weird mm2 convention

Same here with AWG. Sure, let's indicate bigger conductors with smaller numbers. Oh no, we reached 0, let's go 00 and 000 and 0000. Yeah, makes sense

G00SE · Feb 15, 2024

upnorthandpersonal said:
Same here with AWG. Sure, let's indicate bigger conductors with smaller numbers. Oh no, we reached 0, let's go 00 and 000 and 0000. Yeah, makes sense

It helps at the hospital when people are averse to needles.
Oh no worries dear, this is only an 18g needle I left the 21 in the drawer

Tulex · Feb 15, 2024

l00semarble said:
I'm not volunteering.

I have to say that I fairly often view threads and then just close them and move on when the units used are all incorrect.

The point isn't to be a stickler and pain the the ass and not help people that don't understand. If someone is asking for help and they have their units all screwed up then help is less likely. The poster needs some help understanding the units used in this trade/hobby and getting them right and understanding them IS helping them.

If there are a variety of moderators maybe one can be tasked to nuke posts with incorrect units and help posters get the units right before posting to forums.

I know there are other threads on units.

Anyway. Pura Vida. Lots of insolation here in Costa Rica right now.

You know, you can educate and help people at the same time. I think what gets lost is that, if you don't come from an electrical background, you are not as likely to know the proper terminology. If you don't use it all the time, you are less likely to retain it. I'm very skilled in concept, very capable of creating and building things. Yet, I don't know all the proper terms in the areas I've worked.

OzSolar · Feb 15, 2024

SeaGal said:
Yep... @MisterSandals and I help with that a lot too. I think education is best, then hopefully others can pick up on the corrections and one day we'll end up with a lot less occurrences of the Kelvin-Watt-hour.

kW (power) vs kWh (energy) is critical to understanding what you're up to. However calling people out who use KWh is just plain bonkers, only adds confusion.

hwy17 · Feb 15, 2024

I can usually read what they're trying to say.

I think the capitalization corrections are over the top, but I still like @SeaGal and @MisterSandals anyway. Thankfully I don't think electrical has any terminology collisions as bad as like Mbps and MB/s that are reliant on capitalization to discern.

Tulex · Feb 15, 2024

OzSolar said:
kW (power) vs kWh (energy) is critical to understanding what you're up to. However calling people out who use KWh is just plain bonkers, only adds confusion.

Power and energy are very similar to me, and likely a lot of people. I think if you are familiar with electric, you see those words as differently as most people see black and red cables on a battery.

upnorthandpersonal · Feb 15, 2024

Tulex said:
Power and energy are very similar to me, and likely a lot of people.

They are vastly different though, and for many new people we see there, a lot of the confusion comes from not understanding the difference. Once the difference is cleared up, it's like a 'click' and things come together much easier.

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