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Units moderator. There should be a units moderator assigned.

They are vastly different though, and for many new people we see there, a lot of the confusion comes from not understanding the difference. Once the difference is cleared up, it's like a 'click' and things come together much easier.
No, I get that they are different, I just mean in word usage.
 
When a member comes in asking why his 12kwh inverter wont power his house for 5 days with a 100ah battery, and a 12kw array, it gets difficult to explain what is happening and why.
Helping them to understand what is happening by teaching where the units come in, what they mean, and what math to use is far better than nuking a thread because the wrong terms are used...
 
Than we have the metric conversions where you have to guess...
Well, let's fix that metric conversion rubbish and just stick with gallons, so we all know what we mean... ...oh wait ;) :)

I think the capitalization corrections are over the top, but I still like @SeaGal and @MisterSandals anyway.
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Thankfully I don't think electrical has any terminology collisions as bad as like Mbps and MB/s that are reliant on capitalization to discern.
mW and MW maybe? though should be obvious by context being 10^9 apart :)

Power and energy are very similar to me, and likely a lot of people.
They are vastly different though, and for many new people we see there, a lot of the confusion comes from not understanding the difference
(y) I think that is the biggest stumbling block non-electro-nerds have. But if you explain it in terms of miles/hour vs. miles (oops sorry, that's kilometes/hour vs. kilometers, for those that live abroad ;) ), then it (usually) makes sense to them.

Denier still confuses me though... where did "grams per 9,000 metres of yarn" come from?
 
Not to mention what the awg is derived from...

Stretch through a number of dies... mmkay...

It also impacts some practicalities. Suppose you want to know a voltage drop/calculate the resistance of a length of cable. You need to calculate the resistance of the cable. The formula for this is:

R = ρ * L / S with:

- Rho (ρ) the resistivity of the material
- L being the length of the conductor
- S being the cross section (area)

So having a 10mm^2 cable, the calculation is easy - you only need Rho for copper or whatever the conductor is made out of.

With AWG, you first still have to go look up what the cross section is (in whatever units, metric or imperial) before you can make the calculation. Never mind that 2 AWG has a cross section of 0.05212 square inch. Definitely not easier than using 32 mm^2, which you also don't need to look up because that's the unit cable is sold at. It has a direct practical application.
 
Well, let's fix that metric conversion rubbish and just stick with gallons, so we all know what we mean... ...oh wait ;) :)


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mW and MW maybe? though should be obvious by context being 10^9 apart :)


(y) I think that is the biggest stumbling block non-electro-nerds have. But if you explain it in terms of miles/hour vs. miles (oops sorry, that's kilometes/hour vs. kilometers, for those that live abroad ;) ), then it (usually) makes sense to them.

Denier still confuses me though... where did "grams per 9,000 metres of yarn" come from?
I mean... somebody needed to metric the thread count system...
 
No, absolutely not. That's the reason for using Ah in the first place: it completely takes the voltage (and losses) out of the equation when e.g. doing a capacity test.

The Ah by the way is not a measure of energy, it's a measure of charge (Faraday's law: Q = I x t).



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Problem is batteries output voltage that is not constant but based on chemistry. So trying to explain that ah is not a hard number is always going to confuse people. We use ah as an approximation of measurement of capacity. The watts derived are not a hard number. However it gives you something to use that mostly works.

On the subject of using energy and power. It is all power.
 
Well, let's fix that metric conversion rubbish and just stick with gallons, so we all know what we mean... ...oh wait ;) :)


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mW and MW maybe? though should be obvious by context being 10^9 apart :)


(y) I think that is the biggest stumbling block non-electro-nerds have. But if you explain it in terms of miles/hour vs. miles (oops sorry, that's kilometes/hour vs. kilometers, for those that live abroad ;) ), then it (usually) makes sense to them.

Denier still confuses me though... where did "grams per 9,000 metres of yarn" come from?

Metric ,,, I lived thru it in the 70s;

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The thing is ,,, in Science it makes things easy & for the most part it is based around the most abundant compound on Earth ,,, Water.


Watt 😳 ,,, er I mean What ??


1 L of water = 1 Kg

Volume 1M by 1M by 1M = 1000 L = 1000Kg = 1 Metric Tonne


Canada ,,, English / French ,,, Imperial & Metric ,,, Fuel gauges on the fritz ,,, Doesn’t really spell disaster does it 😁;





For those who don’t know, there are 2.2 lbs in a Kg ,,, if you are fueling a commercial jet with a unit conversion speaking 2 languages ,,, maybe the international hairy eyebrow is a better form of communication ,,, oh & get the fuel tank level indicator fixed ,,, good thing the Captain was a glider pilot.



TLTR ?;

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Problem is batteries output voltage that is not constant but based on chemistry. So trying to explain that ah is not a hard number is always going to confuse people. We use ah as an approximation of measurement of capacity. The watts derived are not a hard number. However it gives you something to use that mostly works.

On the subject of using energy and power. It is all power.

I don't agree with you, but I don't want to argue because I'm too tired and stuck with a flue :)
 
The thing is ,,, in Science it makes things easy & for the most part it is based around the most abundant compound on Earth ,,, Water.
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Volume 1M by 1M by 1M = 1000 L = 1000Kg = 1 Metric Tonne
Should be easy... but Gimli Glider anyone?
 
kW (power) vs kWh (energy)

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I think the capitalization corrections are over the top, but I still like @SeaGal and @MisterSandals anyway. Thankfully I don't think electrical has any terminology collisions as bad as like Mbps and MB/s that are reliant on capitalization to discern.

And there is a big difference between mJ and MJ.

mW and MW maybe? though should be obvious by context being 10^9 apart :)

Except to a PhD.
I find many (not all, fortunately) entirely detached from reality, unable to recognize when result of their calculation or simulation is nonsensical.

In my opinion it is also good to learn from others mistakes. I know I have.

I'm glad I could be of assistance.


When a member comes in asking why his 12kwh inverter wont power his house for 5 days with a 100ah battery, and a 12kw array, it gets difficult to explain what is happening and why.
Helping them to understand what is happening by teaching where the units come in, what they mean, and what math to use is far better than nuking a thread because the wrong terms are used...

And carrying units through equations is useful, because they cancel the same as numbers, leaving correct units.
 
Nah, English is "Language Fluid". Made up of words from around the world (usually mispronounced), and "rules" only exist to be broken.

(I say that English doesn't follow rules. It is a natural language. Rules are simply an empirical fit to how we speak.)
 
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