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Will Sol-Ark 15K automatically stop feeding grid if grid goes down?

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I have a Sol-Ark 15 with a solar array and 30kW of batteries. The Sol-Ark is fed directly from the meter and then the Sol-Ark feeds to the main panel. I also have a net metering agreement with my utility.

My question is this: If the grid is down will the Sol-Ark 'island' the service to my loads so that I can continue to run my house from either the array and/or the batteries. And if so, when the grid comes back online is the lineman working on the transformer somehow protected from the Sol-Ark backfeeding to the grid?
 
I have a Sol-Ark 15 with a solar array and 30kW of batteries. The Sol-Ark is fed directly from the meter and then the Sol-Ark feeds to the main panel. I also have a net metering agreement with my utility.

My question is this: If the grid is down will the Sol-Ark 'island' the service to my loads so that I can continue to run my house from either the array and/or the batteries. And if so, when the grid comes back online is the lineman working on the transformer somehow protected from the Sol-Ark backfeeding to the grid?
The sol-ark will not power the grid until it has verified the grid is back up. This is a required safety feature for inverters listed to UL standars for that exact reason.
 
, when the grid comes back online is the lineman working on the transformer somehow protected from the Sol-Ark backfeeding to the grid?
I hope the lineman isn't working on the transformer when the grid comes online. The lineman will have more than the sol-ark to worry about.
 
The sol-ark will not power the grid until it has verified the grid is back up. This is a required safety feature for inverters listed to UL standars for that exact reason.
That is UL 1741 to be precise, and it’s reups and operating procedures are programmed into every US listed solar inverter sold in the US and likely similar standards worldwide
 
In reality, if you backfeed into an outage. The guy that's been waiting for that dead firewood to hit the ground is who's going to get it ⚡ or some kids walking down the road.
Lineman have a saying, "if it's not grounded, it's not dead".
When a Lineman does find backfind on an Open Line, he may pull your meter, do his work and forget to replace your meter before heading home.
My favorite is to short the secondary leads at the transformer as I pull them right after opening the primary side ?
 
I can confirm this is the behavior of the Sol-Ark to not back feed when no grid is connected, and as others have stated every grid-connected inverter in the US behaves this way, unless you're in Hawaii where the solar helps with brownouts.

If you are able to disconnect/reconnect the grid to your Sol-Ark you can simulate this. When the grid goes down, the Sol-Ark detects it right away and stops sending any power to the grid. When you reconnect the grid, the Sol-Ark takes around a minute or more to study the grid signal and adequately determine it's connected to the grid before it reinitiates any energy push to the grid.
 
From what I was told about code compliance, the Sol-Ark will Back feed the grid for a set amount of time in order to help stabilize the grid during a brown out. This delay is adjustable in the menu.
If the Grid Voltage drops below the parameters in the settings the Sol-Ark goes off the Grid instantly and then waits for the Grid to come back On and be stable for a set period of time.

I guess the long term thinking of the Regulators is that thousands of Inverters from different manufactures being on the Grid in a Town during a Brown Out could be the difference between Grid failure and it staying up.
 
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I would bet that those build-in protections aren't only to stop backfeed, but also for the inverter's protection. But yes, the Sol-Ark 15k does detect the presence of the grid and open it's tie, if it doesn't meet the parameters of quality power.
The power company's fuses and OCRs (oil covered reclosers, some are in a vacuum) are protection devices that isolate faults for the protection of their system.
 
I have a Sol-Ark 15 with a solar array and 30kW of batteries. The Sol-Ark is fed directly from the meter and then the Sol-Ark feeds to the main panel. I also have a net metering agreement with my utility.

My question is this: If the grid is down will the Sol-Ark 'island' the service to my loads so that I can continue to run my house from either the array and/or the batteries. And if so, when the grid comes back online is the lineman working on the transformer somehow protected from the Sol-Ark backfeeding to the grid?
Do you have a fused disconnect or a breaker between the meter and your Sol-Ark? I would like to put a 8 panel service between the meter and a Sol-Ark but the 120% busbar code is making it difficult.
 
Like the others have said the Sol-Ark is designed to handle that situation. As a matter of fact its so smart it can tell when the power from the company is fluctuating and will disconnect form the grid temporarily until it senses the power is stable and will reconnect. I have two 15k's and they work great in parallel. I live in a city with old infrastructure and power fluctuations were common until I went my new system running with grid as backup, and to sell excess power when available.
 
I would like to put a 8 panel service between the meter and a Sol-Ark but the 120% busbar code is making it difficult.
I don't know what an 8 panel service is? I have a 200Amp service panel and just got a permit for a SolArk 12K.There are several workarounds for the 120% rule.
 
Do you have a fused disconnect or a breaker between the meter and your Sol-Ark? I would like to put a 8 panel service between the meter and a Sol-Ark but the 120% busbar code is making it difficult.
Run them in parallel through a transfer switch.

Line side tap the grid for the inverters.
 
Do you have a fused disconnect or a breaker between the meter and your Sol-Ark? I would like to put a 8 panel service between the meter and a Sol-Ark but the 120% busbar code is making it difficult.
Put the 8 panel on the smart load connection, and have it turn off when the grid is down.

The upcoming Midnight Solar inverter is supposed to have multiple smart load ports if you need the port for other uses.
 
Do you have a fused disconnect or a breaker between the meter and your Sol-Ark? I would like to put a 8 panel service between the meter and a Sol-Ark but the 120% busbar code is making it difficult.
Yes, fused disconnect
 
My utility company is planning an outage to do service this morning. I understand that the solark 15k will not send voltage back to utility, my question though is whether I have to change settings on my solark. Right now I limit the amount of power to 1kw to my loads from the battery, since I get net metering and have a time of use agreement. I want to save my battery until 2pm when I then supply all my loads.

Do. I need to change the settings in anticipation of the planned outage?
 
I don't believe you will have to change anything for an outage. I think the 1kW is only applicable when grid is up. Depending how long you expect the outage to be, you might want to charge battery to 100% before ithe outage begins. The biggest risk is when the power comes back on and creates a surge. For that reason I prefer to turn off the breaker during the outage and incrementally turn on the loads when power comes back on if you have that opportunity
 
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Back in the early days of grid tied PV, most utilities were encouraged/forced to create "short form" or expedited interconnect rules for grid tied PV. as their rules were written for industrial power and were quite complex and expensive to obtain. Normal interconnected generation needed approved protective relaying (Sort of a complex version of UL 1741), a T-1 line to a Normally Open Relay that they could remotely shut down grid feeding (small PV does not have this) and finally a lockable disconnect switch accessible 24/7 by the power company that they could with no notice open at any time and lock out. The lock out switch made it into many early grid tied PV systems including my original 660 watt array. If the utility did not like the looks of your grid tied PV system they could and would open the switch and lock it out until they were happy with the install. In some cases the local unions in southern CA didnt want non union installations and were locking out systems that they perceived did not meet code as they were installed by unqualfied people.

In theory if the utility was working on the distribution they could shut off and lock out any legal backfeed sources. The problem with that is that Joe homeowner trying to keep warm during a power outage with a generator and suicide cord is not a legal interconnect and that generator is just as likely to zap a lineman than a PV system so now the lines are grounded before any work starts. The requirement for a lockable disconnect is no more in most most utilities.

The T-1 line permissive to operate is somewhat back optionally for UL 1741 SA inverters that unlike an older 1741 unit can optionally be controlled remotely by the utility as those units, dependent on configuration and permitting can stay on the grid to reinforce it until it goes outside a far greater range of grid limits than the old 1741.

The thing is, stuff happens when lines are energized and deenergized, power factor capacitors can fire and other odd crap happens. It is probably good to be disconnected from the grid during that transition as frequently that is when surges and droops happen.

War story time, the last project I was involved with was a very old 1920s power system in very large old industrial facility that occupied a couple of city blocks. Much of the plant was built before the grid was installed in the 1800s. It was a critical industry pre and during WW2 and they could not afford to lose power so it was fed from 3 different 13.8 KV utility circuits with 14 primary local feeder circuits split between two incoming utility circuits with a spare utility circuit that could be toggled between either side. In addition, they had a backpressure turbine with a generator on it hanging off primary circuit. They also could feed all the local feeders from any one circuit. This could be done completely independent of the utility with zero logic involved just big vacublast breakers. That meant that someone in the plant could backfeed any of the three utility circuits from the other two. No interconnect protective relays. When we proposed the project, the utility rep told us that they were really really interested in working with us to clean up that mess. They did a whole lot of upgrading on their side and the client ended up with one primary circuit with a backup circuit remote controlled by a utility owned breaker/transfer switch in a utility vault with only one circuit going into the client site. We had installed a 5 MW generator with synchronization inside the plant so if the utility could not supply the power, they could go off grid and run off the generator. BTW we still needed the TI permissive to operate and a lockable disconnect accessible to the utility even with their upgrade. The only guy who understood the plant electrical system was 70 and worked as a consultant to the plant. They had no one trained to replace him.
 
Thanks everybody. I monitored everything remotely from work, and dang it, they never shut off the power! I was really excited to test the solark 15k and batteries! I am glad that the solark changes behavior when the power goes down though. It helps me to think about the future. E
 
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