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New Growatt hybrid inverter SPH10000TL- HU-US split phase

mciholas said:
On Alibaba with a few listings, a typical one:

Growatt Sph 10000tl-hu Solar Pv Inverter 10kw On Off Grid Hybrid Inverter With 3 Mppt Charger Controller - Buy Solar Inverter With Mppt Solar Charger solar Inverter 10kw solar Inverter With Built-in Charge Controller Product on Alibaba.com

Growatt Sph 10000tl-hu Solar Pv Inverter 10kw On Off Grid Hybrid Inverter With 3 Mppt Charger Controller - Buy Solar Inverter With Mppt Solar Charger solar Inverter 10kw solar Inverter With Built-in Charge Controller Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com

$1528 plus $340 for shipping, $1868 total, delivery mid June.

There are small inconsistencies with the listing, like the part number lacking "US", and under "certificates", they don't list the US required ones. You would just like those niggly details to be right so you know what you are ordering.

Mike C.
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The hu us is split phase
The hu is for Europe and much cheaper. Don't order that one
 
1201 said:
The hu us is split phase
The hu is for Europe and much cheaper. Don't order that one
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Then, this one?

Sph 10000tl-hu-us Growatt 120/240vac Split Phase Inverter 230v Single Phase 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter - Buy 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter split Phase Inverter growatt Inverter Product on Alibaba.com

Sph 10000tl-hu-us Growatt 120/240vac Split Phase Inverter 230v Single Phase 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter - Buy 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter split Phase Inverter growatt Inverter Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com

$1450 plus $82 for shipping.

Or this one?

2024 New Version Growatt 10kw Sph-10000tl- Hu-us 120v 240v In Stock Split Phase Hybrid Solar Inverters - Buy Hybrid Solar Inverters 10kw Solar Inverter growatt Split Phase Inverters Product on Alibaba.com

2024 New Version Growatt 10kw Sph-10000tl- Hu-us 120v 240v In Stock Split Phase Hybrid Solar Inverters - Buy Hybrid Solar Inverters 10kw Solar Inverter growatt Split Phase Inverters Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com

$1528 plus $340 for shipping.

Both list the model as the "US" one.

None of the listings are exactly consistent, such as videos of the wrong inverter, certs not being US applicable, etc. Who knows what you would get.

Mike C.
 
mciholas said:
Then, this one?

Sph 10000tl-hu-us Growatt 120/240vac Split Phase Inverter 230v Single Phase 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter - Buy 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter split Phase Inverter growatt Inverter Product on Alibaba.com

Sph 10000tl-hu-us Growatt 120/240vac Split Phase Inverter 230v Single Phase 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter - Buy 10kw Hybrid Solar Us Inverter split Phase Inverter growatt Inverter Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com

$1450 plus $82 for shipping.

Or this one?

2024 New Version Growatt 10kw Sph-10000tl- Hu-us 120v 240v In Stock Split Phase Hybrid Solar Inverters - Buy Hybrid Solar Inverters 10kw Solar Inverter growatt Split Phase Inverters Product on Alibaba.com

2024 New Version Growatt 10kw Sph-10000tl- Hu-us 120v 240v In Stock Split Phase Hybrid Solar Inverters - Buy Hybrid Solar Inverters 10kw Solar Inverter growatt Split Phase Inverters Product on Alibaba.com
www.alibaba.com www.alibaba.com

$1528 plus $340 for shipping.

Both list the model as the "US" one.

None of the listings are exactly consistent, such as videos of the wrong inverter, certs not being US applicable, etc. Who knows what you would get.

Mike C.
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The same company also has it for sale for $768 🤣
 
Anyone know if Growatts are still Voltronic units or did they go with another designer/manufacturer?
 
1201 said:
Where have you seen that growatt was voltronics based?
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I could have sworn they were both Voltronic units based on slightly different designs.
Here is one statement although unverified about that : Statement 1 , Statement 2 I' Here is one statement from @Steve_S " You are correct that GroWatt & MPP come from the same factory BUT GroWatt is a VAR and the OEM products are made to their specifications which comply with European & North American Standards and are certified for such. Generally, these have some improved componentry (higher quality) and few extras which are not included in the MPP." It's possible all this is hearsay of course. But I thought that was common knowledge.
 
koppted said:
I could have sworn they were both Voltronic units based on slightly different designs.
Here is one statement although unverified about that : Statement 1 , Statement 2 I' Here is one statement from @Steve_S " You are correct that GroWatt & MPP come from the same factory BUT GroWatt is a VAR and the OEM products are made to their specifications which comply with European & North American Standards and are certified for such. Generally, these have some improved componentry (higher quality) and few extras which are not included in the MPP." It's possible all this is hearsay of course. But I thought that was common knowledge.
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It seems to be all conjecture
 
I was INVOKED for a ? Pissing Contest ? Seriously ?
The FACT is that companies like Growatt are both OEM's & VARS do produce stuff in-house BUT they also subcontract a lot out to the Big Production houses like SRNE, Voltronic because in realty it is the most cost-efficient way to go. I'd wager that "some" of you have no clue about Growatt Commercial & what they are involved in...

Simply put, just run out and buy a "MADE IN USA" product and NOT a "Assembled in USA product" (using parts from who knows where) and be happy with that.

Honestly, an AIO is a Convenient Solution but that does not mean Optimal - it IS a set of compromises.
 
Steve_S said:
I was INVOKED for a ? Pissing Contest ? Seriously ?
The FACT is that companies like Growatt are both OEM's & VARS do produce stuff in-house BUT they also subcontract a lot out to the Big Production houses like SRNE, Voltronic because in realty it is the most cost-efficient way to go. I'd wager that "some" of you have no clue about Growatt Commercial & what they are involved in...

Simply put, just run out and buy a "MADE IN USA" product and NOT a "Assembled in USA product" (using parts from who knows where) and be happy with that.

Honestly, an AIO is a Convenient Solution but that does not mean Optimal - it IS a set of compromises.
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Not a pissing contest, just asked the question out of curiosity. I just make a thing now to avoid Voltronic inverters after the MPP LVX debacle.
 
Blaming an OEM who makes a device to a VAR's specs is not quite right, seriously.
Example, DeWalt & Black & Decker power tools are made in the Same Factory in China. Both tools are designed & engineered in Texas and the OEM who makes follows the design & spec as provided per contract. Now we all know that DeWalt tools are pretty good (built my home & everything else with them) but that the same Black & Decker tools today are CRAP ! (Not like the Good Ol Days)... so WHO do you blame for that ?

Midnite Solar "DIY" series & New AIO are also made in China to THEIR SPECS and they are using SNRE OEM I believe for the lot. I certainly would not hesitant buying Midnite Gear regardless where it's made. Qualifier: Only after 1 year is Real World Service (like any new product) so it's "debugged".

Simply put, if you buy a $500 Inverter, that's what you get, if you buy a $1500 Inverter you get quite another beast. (Of course being different brands.) IE: I can easily get a Yoyen 4000W Inverter for $800 USD, it's basic, simple, works not much bells & whistles, and "maybe" 85% efficient. But I use a Samlex EVO 4000W and it's 2K USD and is Tier-1 Feature & Function LOADED and 95% Efficient !
 
1201 said:
more conjecture?
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diysolarforum.com

Midnite Solar Announced their new 10kw AIO at Intersolar Today

Until EVERYTHING is listed up on Midnite.com I would NOT speculate too much ! Even once released DO NOT TOUCH for a Minimum of 6 months as there will be bugs, quirks & foibles to sort out regardless. Unless you want to be a Alpha/Beta Tester for them. Look at the "ROSIE" and other new...
diysolarforum.com diysolarforum.com
Robyn & Halfcrazy ARE Midnite Solar - conjecture indeed. Get a Grip. Mr #### from Texass
 
Steve_S said:
diysolarforum.com

Midnite Solar Announced their new 10kw AIO at Intersolar Today

Until EVERYTHING is listed up on Midnite.com I would NOT speculate too much ! Even once released DO NOT TOUCH for a Minimum of 6 months as there will be bugs, quirks & foibles to sort out regardless. Unless you want to be a Alpha/Beta Tester for them. Look at the "ROSIE" and other new...
diysolarforum.com diysolarforum.com
Robyn & Halfcrazy ARE Midnite Solar - conjecture indeed. Get a Grip. Mr #### from Texass
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And where did they say their new aio is made by srne?

That's how rumors spread and why people think growatt is made by voltronics.
 
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Reading the Intro slides, they show 3 battery types (all of Growatt origin); the ALP, Hope and AXE battery. Only one (the AXE) have I ever seen listed for sale in the US. Are the other two coming, or is that more of a global product we won't see here?
 
kscessnadriver said:
Reading the Intro slides, they show 3 battery types (all of Growatt origin); the ALP, Hope and AXE battery. Only one (the AXE) have I ever seen listed for sale in the US. Are the other two coming, or is that more of a global product we won't see here?
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I haven't heard anything so far.
 
Operating modes document.

Only question I have is, under time of use, if grid or Gen charge is checked, it's starts charging from grid or gen but when does it stop??

When battery is full?
When the soc or v has been met?

Need clarification on this
 

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1201 said:
if grid or Gen charge is checked, it's starts charging from grid it green but when does it stop??
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I’ve pasted what the document says below. It will stop when the battery is “full”. With the MINxxxxTL-XH-US inverter and a ARO battery connected, you have a setting to tell the inverter what percentage “full” is. You can’t set it higher than 100%. I’d assume the new SPH-US has a percentage setting or battery voltage setting or both that identifies “full”. I’m also assuming that the type of setting (voltage or %) would depend on what battery you connect and what the battery communication interface offers for you to use.
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4.3 Typical Battery Charge First Mode
Priority of Energy Sources = PV > Grid
Priority of Energy Usage = Battery > Load > Grid
PV power will be used to charge the Battery as the top priority. After the Battery is fully charged, excess PV power available will power the home loads. If excess PV power is insufficient to power the home loads, the Grid power will be used to cover any shortage.
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Thanks. 4.3 battery charge first mode is the least likely way I'll use this inverter though.

The mode I'm likely going to use is 4.1 load first/self consumption, with pv sell.

Typical Load First / Self-Consumption Mode
Priority of Energy Sources = PV > Battery > Grid
Priority of Energy Usage = Load > Battery > Grid

WHat I'm asking about is :

Grid or Gen Charge: While in Time Of Use Mode, if the Grid/Gen Charge
function is enabled by clicking the appropriate checkbox, the inverter will
use grid/generator power to charge the battery as long as the actual
Battery SOC or Voltage is lower than the Battery set value.


It sounds like if soc falls to setting (say 10%) then the inverter will charge from grid/gen to maintain the minimum soc

MajicDiver said:
I’ve pasted what the document says below. It will stop when the battery is “full”. With the MINxxxxTL-XH-US inverter and a ARO battery connected, you have a setting to tell the inverter what percentage “full” is. You can’t set it higher than 100%. I’d assume the new SPH-US has a percentage setting or battery voltage setting or both that identifies “full”. I’m also assuming that the type of setting (voltage or %) would depend on what battery you connect and what the battery communication interface offers for you to use.
“
4.3 Typical Battery Charge First Mode
Priority of Energy Sources = PV > Grid
Priority of Energy Usage = Battery > Load > Grid
PV power will be used to charge the Battery as the top priority. After the Battery is fully charged, excess PV power available will power the home loads. If excess PV power is insufficient to power the home loads, the Grid power will be used to cover any shortage.
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1201 said:
It sounds like if soc falls to setting (say 10%) then the inverter will charge from grid/gen to maintain the minimum soc
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I agree with what you say, and that is exactly how “a/c” “grid” charge works on the MIN-US. Depending on where you are reading in the Growatt apps and documentation, they use the term”a/c” or “grid”. I think “a/c” is better, the inverter has no idea if the power is from grid or another inverter, in my case it’s another inverter.
 
Interesting discussion. I'm still not positive, but when you run these inverters without a battery, does the backup load get power from AC when you've got no solar coming in? It seems like it should, but you never know.
 
kscessnadriver said:
Interesting discussion. I'm still not positive, but when you run these inverters without a battery, does the backup load get power from AC when you've got no solar coming in? It seems like it should, but you never know.
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Looks like in on-grid mode the system doesn't Even use the battery unless the grid is down

Looks like it powers home and backup loads from pv then gridScreenshot_20240511-155958.png
 
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