EG4 12KPV ALL-IN-ONE HYBRID INVERTER

Introducing the new 12kPV from EG4. Below you can find a link to our website detailing this new product:

Nice!

can this be in parallel with 6000XP?

25a mppts with 31a short circuit current. nice What's the msrp?

Can this be paralleled with the 18kPV? I'm already running the 18kPV and would like to add on the 12kPV for extra PV and load capability but I don't really want (or need) 2 18kPVs.

Heritage1 said:

Can this be paralleled with the 18kPV? I'm already running the 18kPV and would like to add on the 12kPV for extra PV and load capability but I don't really want (or need) 2 18kPVs.

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Manual only talks about paralleling with other 12k's.

jcollinsks said:

can this be in parallel with 6000XP?

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The 12kPV cannot be paralleled with the 6000XP.

Heritage1 said:

Can this be paralleled with the 18kPV? I'm already running the 18kPV and would like to add on the 12kPV for extra PV and load capability but I don't really want (or need) 2 18kPVs.

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Not that I am aware of. However, I will confirm with our engineering team.

1201 said:

25a mppts with 31a short circuit current. nice What's the msrp?

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I currently do not have this information. However, our distributors should have the 12kPV listed in the following days.

EG4_Jared said:

I currently do not have this information. However, our distributors should have the 12kPV listed in the following days.

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Should Solar Sovereign be listed on that distributor page?

EG4_Jared said:

I currently do not have this information. However, our distributors should have the 12kPV listed in the following days.

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Thanks!

I'm guessing above $1400 but less than $4900??

Don't have EG4 products, and not sure I'll ever buy any, but ...

Nice User (quick start) Guide. It has these nifty parts:
- abbreviations page ... no more WTF abbreviations
- troubleshooting ... looks like every fault code has real, associated troubleshooting steps
- no difficult "english" phrasing

Also has:
- installer/customer-code section, so I guess this item could be tracked (& possibly locked?) by an installer ... bummer

I still note for the record that when you buy EG4, you get no support from EG4 themselves, and will have to rely on the warranty, support/rma processes of their distributors (Signature Solar, Current Connected, etc.). So, if I dig into SigSolar's support processes, I have to go to the FAQ page, and read through the "tech support" and "rma" sections to understand how support will happen.

Basically, a tiered system of tech support (levels 1,2,3) and the "tech bench team" beyond them, if the product gets returned, and the tech bench team has final say (prob found, prob not found).

This is perhaps not unlike many other product support systems these days, but do note that you'll have to "prove" your installation skills (lots of documented pics, test, etc.) as part of the "getting help" process, and there would seem to be many ways that your installation could be disallowed, because you've documented everything for them.

This is interesting in the day and age of complex electrical devices, where I'd think that it:
- either works or fails internally, tells you what failed and what the resolution is, and is easy to get replacement parts or is cross-shippable
- is protected from external failure by its design, and doesn't require all these proofs (installation pics, etc.)

I still don't think I could buy an EG4 product, without committing a serious chunk of money to my own test process, and testing the heck out of it and all of their processes ... to get to the point where I could run my electrical system in a 24x7 scenario, as I do now with the Magnum equipment (I have a pre-wired 4024). So, not sure what I'd replace the magnum equipment with, if it ever fails.

SS has it at $3500

50ShadesOfDirt said:

but do note that you'll have to "prove" your installation skills (lots of documented pics, test, etc.)

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As well you should, you're not screwing in a light bulb here.

50ShadesOfDirt said:

I still don't think I could buy an EG4 product, without committing a serious chunk of money to my own test process, and testing the heck out of it and all of their processes ... to get to the point where I could run my electrical system in a 24x7 scenario, as I do now with the Magnum equipment (I have a pre-wired 4024). So, not sure what I'd replace the magnum equipment with, if it ever fails.

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Midnite Rosie inverter/charger, and reuse your existing SCCs

ooof...55 watts consumption in stand-by mode.

Quattrohead said:

As well you should, you're not screwing in a light bulb here.

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When I've called in on the magnum 4024, I gave them the s/n (once) ... they've never had me send in install pics, voltage readings, etc. Generally, they just give some help.

Note that SigSolar's faq page says send in tons of stuff to document the install, and then someone will get back with me on whatever my problem is. Perhaps most people aren't sending all of this in, and thus SS is just fishing for the install proofs, and won't really request it unless the support process leads them there ...

Drunk Engineer said:

ooof...55 watts consumption in stand-by mode.

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1.3kwh per day...hmmm.....not completely horrible for the total capacity of the inverter, but yea still a bit high for those without truck loads of battery. Not the best inverter for off-grid and I suspect not their intended market.

idle power was the #1 reason I went Victron, it adds up.. That and very efficient with an output transformer. They are great for off-grid middle of the road capacity.

50ShadesOfDirt said:

When I've called in on the magnum 4024, I gave them the s/n (once) ... they've never had me send in install pics, voltage readings, etc. Generally, they just give some help.

Note that SigSolar's faq page says send in tons of stuff to document the install, and then someone will get back with me on whatever my problem is. Perhaps most people aren't sending all of this in, and thus SS is just fishing for the install proofs, and won't really request it unless the support process leads them there ...

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I have a couple years running a magnum(pre 2020). Tough friggin inverter, not horrible efficiency, but I do like the better gas mileage of Victron transformer inverters. I still use my Magnum, likely my great grand kids will use it...lol

Just watched Wills video on the unit. Impressive surge, they are getting really good with these HF inverters. I wonder how hot the FETs are getting pushing that kind of current and the life expectancy long term. The capacity to surge ratio seems high for an HF. I doubt they are under rating the cont. capacity considering the cost of the mosfets.

@Gavin Stone also has done a video review

Any plans on 9540 testing the 12kPV with the wallmount batteries (indoor and all weather PowerPro)?

Any plans on CEC listing and CSIP approval for the 12kPV?

The 12kPV seems like it has a large surge capacity. I have not seen the 18kPV advertised or reviewed that way. Is this new one unique in it's surge handling or is the 18kPV similarly designed?

Heritage1 said:

Can this be paralleled with the 18kPV? I'm already running the 18kPV and would like to add on the 12kPV for extra PV and load capability but I don't really want (or need) 2 18kPVs.

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EG4_Jared said:

Not that I am aware of. However, I will confirm with our engineering team.

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I bought an 18kPV when they first came out (trade in... before the 6000XP's were available) & will need another inverter to go with it when I finish my house (23kW of panels). Looks like I should have waited & gotten two 12kPV's?

Price of being an early adopter I guess. Since you really can't mix & match their tech (inverters or batteries), I think another 18kPV is still going to have to be the plan even though I will never be ON-grid & never net-metering. etc. My nature is to overbuild everything...the 18kPV accomplishes this, just at a steeper price.

That said, as noted many times before, I really think SS/EG4 should make the 18kPV's, the 6000XP's & now the 12kPV's all play nicely together in the same sandbox. Thereby allowing mixing & matching as well as & ESPECIALLY forward & backwards compatibility. It gets awfully expensive trying to start over each time... unless you are you Will.