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Is a BMS worth it or necessary for 2 Valence U27s in parallel?

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I have two Valence U27s that I plan to use in parallel with a solar setup in my pop-up camper. I know that there is a BMS for low voltage usage of the U27s but I'm wondering if that's going to be at all necessary or helpful or worth the price. I have seen others that don't use the BMS in this type of setup and I'm just curious what others think.
 
The most important core functionality a BMS brings to the table (speaking generally) is cell level high and low voltage protection, and cell balancing.

I'm not very up to speed on Valence batteries so I am not sure what is built in and what is possible externally.
 
The most important core functionality a BMS brings to the table (speaking generally) is cell level high and low voltage protection, and cell balancing.

I'm not very up to speed on Valence batteries so I am not sure what is built in and what is possible externally.
So, the fortunate thing about Valence U27s and likely all Valence batteries is that EACH module has its own built-in BMS for cell balancing. My inverter/controller (Xantrex Freedom 2000) has a high/low voltage and high/low temp cutoff, so that's taken care of. The only thing I would not have would be some kind of balancing between the modules (batteries). I don't know how critical that is and if it's worth the $250 for the BMS. I will have a low voltage cutoff on the 12V side (Victron Smart Battery Connect) so both sides (120V/12V) are protected. So to me, it seems like the Valence BMS would be pretty huge overkill in a parallel setup. But I just might be missing something.
 
So, the fortunate thing about Valence U27s and likely all Valence batteries is that EACH module has its own built-in BMS for cell balancing. My inverter/controller (Xantrex Freedom 2000) has a high/low voltage and high/low temp cutoff, so that's taken care of.
What the BMS does, and what the inverter does in terms of high/low voltage disconnect is different. The inverter can only 'see' pack level voltage (i.e. 12v, 24v, etc). The importance of the BMS is cell level high and low voltage protection. Damage can occur at the cell level, while voltages are still in the normal range at the pack level. Its likely (almost certain I would think) if your batteries have a builtin BMS this will handle cell level HVD/LVD.

The only thing I would not have would be some kind of balancing between the modules (batteries). I don't know how critical that is and if it's worth the $250 for the BMS.
My understanding is that batteries in parallel should balance themselves and need no additional components to do so. Again I have no direct knowledge of Valence, and if there is anything quirky/specific to them.
Are you sure this interbattery 'BMS' is needed for your configuration?
 
Thanks @Dzl I'll take a look at h/l voltage detection within the Valence internal module BMS. I hope it's there. I have a hunch it is.
 
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THe u27-12xp batteries do not balance the cells unless connected to a BMS or the monitoring software.

Yes -- the circuitry is there -- but it is not enabled by default.
 
So, I've heard quite the opposite @WinnieVan and I may have been misinformed. What I have heard is that the INTERNAL cell balancing is taken care of by each module's internal BMS, however, the inter-module balancing requires the external BMS. I have not found a clear information link from Valence that explicitly clarifies this. I'm still looking.
 
So, I've heard quite the opposite @WinnieVan and I may have been misinformed. What I have heard is that the INTERNAL cell balancing is taken care of by each module's internal BMS, however, the inter-module balancing requires the external BMS. I have not found a clear information link from Valence that explicitly clarifies this. I'm still looking.
His statement is correct and the latter part of yours is also true. For the internal balancing (and SOC counter apparently) to be active, there has to be ongoing communication to the battery either by the Valence Diagnostic software (alternatives exist) or the Valence external BMS controller. If the green LED is flashing at a 20 second rate, the internal BMS is sleeping and will not balance. There's a thread around here with thermal images of the internal BMS PCB that illustrates this in action.
 
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