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Another Article by the "Free Thought Project". An Ultra Right wing propaganda machine that has so far only produced false stories.
Come on man... Going after the publisher rather than the information is amateur hour.

I think regardless of whether the article is right about the "conspiracies" or not, it raises good points about freedom of information and debate. What's considered "fact" today, might not be considered the same tomorrow.
 
Come on man... Going after the publisher rather than the information is amateur hour.

I think regardless of whether the article is right about the "conspiracies" or not, it raises good points about freedom of information and debate. What's considered "fact" today, might not be considered the same tomorrow.
Same Reason I don't listen to what OAN, The Sun, CNBC, CNN, Fox or what the rest of them have to say.
It's not News, it's made up stuff based on a nugget of truth covering over mostly lies.
If the Publisher are not vetting or are deliberately allowing false information to go out one story then it's a sure bet that most of their stories cannot be trusted.

Remember Walter Cronkite?
He only made conclusions based on what was the provable and true and he added none of his own biases or opinions he was respected and powerful enough to kill the public support of the Vietnam War by just stating that in his own opinion the the war was unwinnable.
You can pull that off when your credible, but most of these other journalist are always adding in their own opinions as facts.
 
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Come on man... Going after the publisher rather than the information is amateur hour.
Going after the publisher because you don't agree with them is a logical fallacy. Going after them because of their historical track record is not.
 
Going after the publisher because you don't agree with them is a logical fallacy. Going after them because of their historical track record is not.
I think it would be incredibly difficult to find ANY "news" publisher that hasn't printed at least 10 verifiably false, politically motivated "facts" in the past year. I try to pay less attention to the publisher, and more attention to the specific writer, or the opinions presented.

My point was that an entire article was glossed over because it came from a specific publisher. I'm not trying to press any specific hot-buttons here, just pointing out some reasons why I don't think any sort of official fact checking and censorship is a good idea. I thought the author's opinion made some good points, but I'm sure not everybody agrees.
 
My point was that an entire article was glossed over because it came from a specific publisher. I'm not trying to press any specific hot-buttons here, just pointing out some reasons why I don't think any sort of official fact checking and censorship is a good idea. I thought the author's opinion made some good points, but I'm sure not everybody agrees.
Did you ever believe a Single story you read in the National Enquirer, The Sun, Star or the Globe?
All of them are Trash newspapers that bought sensational stories from any "Journalist" that was willing to say it was true for a buck.

Today we have political Journalist that are paid to spin and spout that same kind of non sense. If ya want to believe everyone that has something negative to say about Biden then go ahead. Others believe everything that is spouted from the exteme left about Trump is true.
 
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War room is a excellent resource for what's going on, It's on at (Americas voice) M-F 9am-10am, and again 4pm CST. The link is below. Alex Jones is like anybody else but that Alex Jones was right tip jar is filling up fast. His new book is out, I have not bought it yet but hear from like minded people it's awesome. Alex has been talking about the Great Reset for over 30 years now and the push for a one world government by the satanic elites. Everything that has happened from the plandemic, crt,war on gender, stolen election, Ukraine war, destruction of the dollar, destruction of our oil and gas sector with the climate change scam.. and the push for Marxism is by design and has been in play for a very long time. Not trying to start a argument just sharing my opinions and providing some good sources, IMHO , below. Serious..war room is a great source for everything political to the economy to our spiritual struggle we're going through in this world right now. Just because something seems like a conspiracy doesn't mean it's not true, the last few years have proven this for sure.









 
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Come on man... Going after the publisher rather than the information is amateur hour.

I think regardless of whether the article is right about the "conspiracies" or not, it raises good points about freedom of information and debate. What's considered "fact" today, might not be considered the same tomorrow.
And, that sir is a ..fact. Interesting when you start to question the narratives of main stream you're labeled "Right wing or Ultra right wing, fascist etc. The same people making the accusations are indeed allowed to make and ask the very same questions they forbid the other side of asking. This is what happens in Marxism, you have to remove free speech otherwise the ideology doesn't work at the basic fundamental level. The censorship has been fierce the last six years on so many levels but I never though in my lifetime I'd see discussion about medical procedures get shut down like big tech did.
 
And, that sir is a ..fact. Interesting when you start to question the narratives of main stream you're labeled "Right wing or Ultra right wing, fascist etc. The same people making the accusations are indeed allowed to make and ask the very same questions they forbid the other side of asking. This is what happens in Marxism,
You are equating fake news websites and articles with "questioning the main stream" ??

There seems to be some confusion on what questioning is and what making up your own fake information is.

Let me give you an example of main stream vs right wing fake news.

The headline from main stream would read something like "California to require all new homes to have solar"

The headline from the fake news right wing media would be "California forcing home owners to install solar"

See how that works? The main stream media is specific with their information while the right wing fake news websites will intentionally mislead people.

Fake news always has a truth component to it.

you have to remove free speech otherwise the ideology doesn't work at the basic fundamental level. The censorship has been fierce the last six years on so many levels but I never though in my lifetime I'd see discussion about medical procedures get shut down like big tech did.
If you're on the conservative right wing side, you don't get to complain about censorship while you're banning books.


The simple fact with 90% of our social and political problems is that conservatives don't like change. They are afraid of change, it scares them, and they will go to almost any length to resist change.

Need to change how we live to prevent global warming? Nope, can't have that, make up a bunch of garbage about it being fake (1990's) then acknowledge the problem but claim it's natural (2000's), then when none of that works, claim its a financial conspiracy for profit (current)

We had the same problems with the ozone controversy, and the conservatives said we wouldn't be able to manufacture high tech stuff if we got rid of certain chemicals, then it was the acid rain problem, and the conservatives claimed the coal plants were not the cause, then the tobacco=cancer controversy, and the DDT problems. It's always the conservatives resisting the need to do things differently.

It's become so commonplace it is easily predictable.. it's expected now.
 
You are equating fake news websites and articles with "questioning the main stream" ??

There seems to be some confusion on what questioning is and what making up your own fake information is.

Let me give you an example of main stream vs right wing fake news.

The headline from main stream would read something like "California to require all new homes to have solar"

The headline from the fake news right wing media would be "California forcing home owners to install solar"

See how that works? The main stream media is specific with their information while the right wing fake news websites will intentionally mislead people.

Fake news always has a truth component to it.


If you're on the conservative right wing side, you don't get to complain about censorship while you're banning books.


The simple fact with 90% of our social and political problems is that conservatives don't like change. They are afraid of change, it scares them, and they will go to almost any length to resist change.

Need to change how we live to prevent global warming? Nope, can't have that, make up a bunch of garbage about it being fake (1990's) then acknowledge the problem but claim it's natural (2000's), then when none of that works, claim its a financial conspiracy for profit (current)

We had the same problems with the ozone controversy, and the conservatives said we wouldn't be able to manufacture high tech stuff if we got rid of certain chemicals, then it was the acid rain problem, and the conservatives claimed the coal plants were not the cause, then the tobacco=cancer controversy, and the DDT problems. It's always the conservatives resisting the need to do things differently.

It's become so commonplace it is easily predictable.. it's expected now.
Liberalism is a mental disorder. And, nobody is banning books. Parents are standing up and saying you don't have the right to teach my child how to be a degenerate with your pornography you call books in school. They are suppose to be there to learn math, history, how to read and write and that's it. The basics! Instead you have pink haired teachers telling little Susie that because she asked for a catchers mitt for Christmas she must be a boy and should consider mutilating herself to be happy. I also don't want my child being told how cool marxism is and how America is evil or since they have white skin they are inherently a oppressor. Conservatives don't call this progress so we naturally oppose it; generally when society is collapsing into a dystopian hell people regardless of ideology start rejecting the program. I'm friends with moderate liberals and while we don't see eye to eye they for the most part agree with what I said above. They also voted republican or independent because they are not trapped in a echo chamber getting high off their own farts.
 
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You are equating fake news websites and articles with "questioning the main stream" ??

There seems to be some confusion on what questioning is and what making up your own fake information is.

Let me give you an example of main stream vs right wing fake news.

The headline from main stream would read something like "California to require all new homes to have solar"

The headline from the fake news right wing media would be "California forcing home owners to install solar"

See how that works? The main stream media is specific with their information while the right wing fake news websites will intentionally mislead people.

Fake news always has a truth component to it.


If you're on the conservative right wing side, you don't get to complain about censorship while you're banning books.


The simple fact with 90% of our social and political problems is that conservatives don't like change. They are afraid of change, it scares them, and they will go to almost any length to resist change.

Need to change how we live to prevent global warming? Nope, can't have that, make up a bunch of garbage about it being fake (1990's) then acknowledge the problem but claim it's natural (2000's), then when none of that works, claim its a financial conspiracy for profit (current)

We had the same problems with the ozone controversy, and the conservatives said we wouldn't be able to manufacture high tech stuff if we got rid of certain chemicals, then it was the acid rain problem, and the conservatives claimed the coal plants were not the cause, then the tobacco=cancer controversy, and the DDT problems. It's always the conservatives resisting the need to do things differently.

It's become so commonplace it is easily predictable.. it's expected now.
Mainstream also insisted that the Russia collusion was real (it obviously was not), that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation (again, wrong), etc etc...
 
Mainstream also insisted that the Russia collusion was real (it obviously was not), that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation (again, wrong), etc etc...
What's worse, is that the FBI, that had the laptop, was contacting media channels and pushing the false narratives.
 
What's worse, is that the FBI, that had the laptop, was contacting media channels and pushing the false narratives.
They had a election to steal. You had Biden on camera admitting / bragging about blackmailing Ukraine and a eye witness "bobulinski" who brought the receipts on Bidens and Hunters China deals. All of this was before the election but the FBI was too busy arresting parents at town hall and school meetings. Now you have a verified diary, by the FBI, that indicates Biden was inappropriate with his daughter and what do they do...arrest the journalist for reporting on it. The ministry of truth is alive and well.
 
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Most extreme "isms" are mental disorders of one sort or another.. as is conservatism.

And, nobody is banning books.
BULL $HIT.
Parents are standing up and saying you don't have the right to teach my child how to be a degenerate with your pornography you call books in school. They are suppose to be there to learn math, history, how to read and write and that's it. The basics!
The books they are banning are from school libraries, not classroom curriculum. Nice try, but you just pulled a California solar panel trick. Funny thing, I bet you don't even realize it.
I just got into a debate with someone about this on another forum. His claim was the same, that they were putting gay, lgbt, queer, and sex books in the classroom with 3rd graders, and he provided links to wacko right wing websites to back up his claim. I think took his links, looked up the school names and the names of the parents complaining, and they were talking about high school, not 3rd graders. His link was, as I pointed out, the California solar panel trick.. A component of truth (banning books + sexual content) but mixed with fake news (3rd graders + classroom instruction).

So once again, nice try but a big fail.

Instead you have pink haired teachers telling little Susie that because she asked for a catchers mitt for Christmas she must be a boy and should consider mutilating herself to be happy. I also don't want my child being told how cool marxism is and how America is evil or since they have white skin they are inherently a oppressor.
You are clueless and you are doing nothing but listening to right wing wacko websites because NONE of what you just said happens in the real world.

Conservatives don't call this progress so we naturally oppose it; generally when society is collapsing into a dystopian hell people regardless of ideology start rejecting the program. I'm friends with moderate liberals and while we don't see eye to eye they for the most part agree with what I said above. They also voted republican or independent because they are not trapped in a echo chamber getting high off their own farts.

Conservatives fear progress and naturally oppose all change. I am not a liberal or a conservative, I will, generally speaking, adhere to what can be proved as fact and what follows science.

If you are afraid of what the school is teaching your child, then you have no confidence in your own child's intellect. And if you believe a school teacher has THAT MUCH influence over your child, then you are failing as a parent.

Our schools are not the problem, it is the parents that are the problem. Most of these idiot parents couldn't tell you the formula to find the area of a circle if their life depended on it. Most have no idea what a proton or a neutron is, or anything on the periodic table. Most parents are too busy with their own affairs to bother with their own children.

There was a study done about 10 years ago, they found that 1 in 4 Americans do not understand that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Seriously, google it.. I'm not joking.

I was talking with a neighbor the other day and I said "That James Webb telescope is finding galaxies out in the cosmos that seem to defy our current understanding".. and his response was "Do you think NASA will send a probe there?" WTF?

People are stupid.
 
Dude That kind of material does not belong in elementary and middle school libraries.

And sorry, you just totally contradicted yourself. First you say that schools don't have as much influence over the kids as parents, then you say parents are stupid and too busy to teach their kids anything. Well which is it?

And kids are very impressionable. They're like sponges. They don't have critical thinking skills yet. So throwing garbage at them in school is only going to harm them, nevermind the fact thatcgarbage shouldn't be getting thrown around in school in the first place.
 
Most extreme "isms" are mental disorders of one sort or another.. as is conservatism.


BULL $HIT.

The books they are banning are from school libraries, not classroom curriculum. Nice try, but you just pulled a California solar panel trick. Funny thing, I bet you don't even realize it.
I just got into a debate with someone about this on another forum. His claim was the same, that they were putting gay, lgbt, queer, and sex books in the classroom with 3rd graders, and he provided links to wacko right wing websites to back up his claim. I think took his links, looked up the school names and the names of the parents complaining, and they were talking about high school, not 3rd graders. His link was, as I pointed out, the California solar panel trick.. A component of truth (banning books + sexual content) but mixed with fake news (3rd graders + classroom instruction).

So once again, nice try but a big fail.


You are clueless and you are doing nothing but listening to right wing wacko websites because NONE of what you just said happens in the real world.



Conservatives fear progress and naturally oppose all change. I am not a liberal or a conservative, I will, generally speaking, adhere to what can be proved as fact and what follows science.

If you are afraid of what the school is teaching your child, then you have no confidence in your own child's intellect. And if you believe a school teacher has THAT MUCH influence over your child, then you are failing as a parent.

Our schools are not the problem, it is the parents that are the problem. Most of these idiot parents couldn't tell you the formula to find the area of a circle if their life depended on it. Most have no idea what a proton or a neutron is, or anything on the periodic table. Most parents are too busy with their own affairs to bother with their own children.

There was a study done about 10 years ago, they found that 1 in 4 Americans do not understand that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Seriously, google it.. I'm not joking.

I was talking with a neighbor the other day and I said "That James Webb telescope is finding galaxies out in the cosmos that seem to defy our current understanding".. and his response was "Do you think NASA will send a probe there?" WTF?

People are stupid.
Yes they are putting that crap in schools starting in elementary. Even down here in Texas we've had to take the liberal enclaves of Austin and Houston to court to have it removed. First hand experience isn't some right wing conspiracy; you don't have to take legal action if something isn't happening. That filth does not belong in the school period! And, I'll go as far to say it doesn't belong in the community libraries either if the community says it doesn't, we pay for that library. College.. that's another debate but ironically a lot of colleges have shutdown free speech if it's antithetical to the liberal Marxist, crt, LGBT++ whatever narrative. While conservatives have our issues like everybody else we're not trying to get your son Rob to chop his junk off and identify as Roberta; nor convince your daughter she can do anything a man can and try out for linebacker on a boys team. Allowing dudes into the woman's bathroom..ah no. That not progress ..that's a degenerating society with no direction or identity. And, for the parents being dolts comment...you do realize the kids graduating today can't read or write at grade level, can't do basic math, can't even tell you what the continents are or countries in them. They can tell you who their favorite ticktok influences are or name all the kardashians and who they are dating. I do agree with you that the parents are a big part of the issue with not being involved and that's what happens when you let the state run your schools and raise your kids for you. In our public schools we're testing here in the USA at the bottom. The private schools are the ones excelling for the most part. School choice is a big part of resolving this. Open borders, no border is another progressive agenda. It's destroying this country. If you haven't seen what's happening in Texas and Arizona you should see if first hand.
 
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Yes they are putting that crap in schools starting in elementary.
Please be specific, what crap in elementary? Please name a school or article specifically naming a school, and point out exactly what content in that school you find offensive or inappropriate.

Even down here in Texas we've had to take the liberal enclaves of Austin and Houston to court to have it removed. First hand experience isn't some right wing conspiracy; you don't have to take legal action if something isn't happening.
To have what (specifically) removed?
First hand experience? Were you in the court yourself? Or did you read it in the media? Because if you read it in the media, then it isn't first hand experience.. especially if you read in in some conservative media, I can almost guarantee it will be a California Solar Panel article.

That filth does not belong in the school period! And, I'll go as far to say it doesn't belong in the community libraries either if the community says it doesn't, we pay for that library.
Everyone pays for that library. If you don't want to read a book, don't read it. Right wing conservative censorship is nothing different than the church wanting to decide who gets to read what.

College.. that's another debate but ironically a lot of colleges have shutdown free speech if it's antithetical to the liberal Marxist, crt, LGBT++ whatever narrative.
Yes, isn't that interesting. Some of the most educated people have shut down the right wing extremists. Non-government colleges are not subject to free speech laws any more than facebook, twitter, or this website is.

While conservatives have our issues like everybody else we're not trying to get your son Rob to chop his junk off and identify as Roberta; nor convince your daughter she can do anything a man can and try out for linebacker on a boys team.
It goes back to the same thing. If someone is concerned that others are having an influence on their children, then it is their own parental failure at issue. They'll never admit that however.

Allowing dudes into the woman's bathroom..ah no. That not progress ..that's a degenerating society with no direction or identity.
This one has always interested me.. While there are certainly psychological issues at play due to general human ignorance and cultural norms, what specifically has you concerned about mixing men and women in the same bathroom? The most common complaint I hear is that a man entering a woman's bathroom could commit a sexual crime of some sort (or some variation on that statement)

And, for the parents being dolts comment...you do realize the kids graduating today can't read or write at grade level, can't do basic math, can't even tell you what the continents are or countries in them. They can tell you who their favorite ticktok influences are or name all the kardashians and who they are dating. I do agree with you that the parents are a big part of the issue with not being involved and that's what happens when you let the state run your schools and raise your kids for you.
And that is strictly a failure of the parents, not the schools. Parents are not a "big part" of the issue, they ARE the issue, they are the only issue. Don't blame the schools for the failure of the parents. My 9 year old daughter reads 1500 pages a week in books, she doesn't have a cell phone, isn't allowed video games (yet), and is only allowed to access educational materials on the computer.
How many people do you know, how many people have you ever known, who read 1500 pages a week? My wife has to bring boxes and bags between her car and the library and my child picks out whatever she wants to read, no strings attached.

Of course, my 9 year old knows the first three lines of the periodic table from memory and can identify an element by counting electrons. She also plays chess with the neighbor's 15 year old and can hold her own. She builds estes rockets, has her own bb gun, and helps me gut and butcher hogs and deer. She picks up bugs and rocks and puts them under her microscope and pokes them with a stick, and part of her household chores is starting the wood stove and keeping it going.

It's not the schools, its the parents.

In our public schools we're testing here in the USA at the bottom. The private schools are the ones excelling for the most part. School choice is a big part of resolving this.
Private schools are not excelling but on paper. That's not to say none of them are, but most are religiously orientated and the students they produce are morons in science. Fairly good with history, literature, writing, and even math, but they lack in science. The problem with private schools is that their history, literature, and writing is all selective based on their ideology.

Any child taught a political or social ideology will always grow up with a handicap.

Open borders, no border is another progressive agenda. It's destroying this country. If you haven't seen what's happening in Texas and Arizona you should see if first hand.
Tell me, back a few decades ago, no one was really complaining about the Mexican boarder.. why is that? Mexican's have been crossing the boarder illegally since we had a boarder, and yet it's only been in the last 15 years or so that anyone has made it an issue. Why? I know why it is, I'm wondering if you do.

Also, if you like cheap grocery store food, what do you think is going to happen to it when the Mexican workers are gone? You don't seriously think American's are going to pick that food do you?
 
Please be specific, what crap in elementary? Please name a school or article specifically naming a school, and point out exactly what content in that school you find offensive or inappropriate.


To have what (specifically) removed?
First hand experience? Were you in the court yourself? Or did you read it in the media? Because if you read it in the media, then it isn't first hand experience.. especially if you read in in some conservative media, I can almost guarantee it will be a California Solar Panel article.


Everyone pays for that library. If you don't want to read a book, don't read it. Right wing conservative censorship is nothing different than the church wanting to decide who gets to read what.


Yes, isn't that interesting. Some of the most educated people have shut down the right wing extremists. Non-government colleges are not subject to free speech laws any more than facebook, twitter, or this website is.


It goes back to the same thing. If someone is concerned that others are having an influence on their children, then it is their own parental failure at issue. They'll never admit that however.


This one has always interested me.. While there are certainly psychological issues at play due to general human ignorance and cultural norms, what specifically has you concerned about mixing men and women in the same bathroom? The most common complaint I hear is that a man entering a woman's bathroom could commit a sexual crime of some sort (or some variation on that statement)


And that is strictly a failure of the parents, not the schools. Parents are not a "big part" of the issue, they ARE the issue, they are the only issue. Don't blame the schools for the failure of the parents. My 9 year old daughter reads 1500 pages a week in books, she doesn't have a cell phone, isn't allowed video games (yet), and is only allowed to access educational materials on the computer.
How many people do you know, how many people have you ever known, who read 1500 pages a week? My wife has to bring boxes and bags between her car and the library and my child picks out whatever she wants to read, no strings attached.

Of course, my 9 year old knows the first three lines of the periodic table from memory and can identify an element by counting electrons. She also plays chess with the neighbor's 15 year old and can hold her own. She builds estes rockets, has her own bb gun, and helps me gut and butcher hogs and deer. She picks up bugs and rocks and puts them under her microscope and pokes them with a stick, and part of her household chores is starting the wood stove and keeping it going.

It's not the schools, its the parents.


Private schools are not excelling but on paper. That's not to say none of them are, but most are religiously orientated and the students they produce are morons in science. Fairly good with history, literature, writing, and even math, but they lack in science. The problem with private schools is that their history, literature, and writing is all selective based on their ideology.

Any child taught a political or social ideology will always grow up with a handicap.


Tell me, back a few decades ago, no one was really complaining about the Mexican boarder.. why is that? Mexican's have been crossing the boarder illegally since we had a boarder, and yet it's only been in the last 15 years or so that anyone has made it an issue. Why? I know why it is, I'm wondering if you do.

Also, if you like cheap grocery store food, what do you think is going to happen to it when the Mexican workers are gone? You don't seriously think American's are Hgoing to pick that food do you?
Here's a few links, I don't keep tabs on all of this as there's too much to remember...this crap has exploded recently and it's on the news all the time. It's all over ..but if it's in Texas imagine what it's like in Cali and other super liberal states. First hand experience was watching the school board meetings when the mothers ,parents, started reading from the books and had their mics cut off and escorted out of the school. The local library is not porn hub..so no that crap does not belong there.

Private schools are not excelling but on paper. That's not to say none of them are, but most are religiously orientated and the students they produce are morons in science.

At least we know what a man and woman is. How's those boosters working out?

The rest of your arguments / questions makes me realize I'd never be able answer them satisfactory, we just see reality differently.





 
Here's a few links, I don't keep tabs on all of this as there's too much to remember...this crap has exploded recently and it's on the news all the time. It's all over ..but if it's in Texas imagine what it's like in Cali and other super liberal states. First hand experience was watching the school board meetings when the mothers ,parents, started reading from the books and had their mics cut off and escorted out of the school. The local library is not porn hub..so no that crap does not belong there.
Lets examine your position.
The mic was cut off because a book contained sexually explicit material that is not appropriate for reading out loud in a public venue. Personally, none of it would bother me, nor would it bother me if my child heard it.

Does that mean we should ban the book? Do you think maybe that a high school kid could just as easily access the material on the internet in high definition 60 frames per second complete with surround sound?

If you were talking about a grade school elementary library, I would tend to agree with your position, but all you're doing is telling teenagers they can't have something. How do you think that will work out?

Private schools are not excelling but on paper. That's not to say none of them are, but most are religiously orientated and the students they produce are morons in science.

At least we know what a man and woman is. How's those boosters working out?
What difference does it make between a man and a woman except to the individual? You didn't answer my question, what specifically are you concerned about with a man going into a woman's bathroom or the reverse?

"at least we know what a man and woman is" ?? Why is that relevant to my question?

Boosters? Huh?


The rest of your arguments / questions makes me realize I'd never be able answer them satisfactory, we just see reality differently.


Lets take a look at your first link. The person at the center of the story is Lake Travis ISD School Board candidate Kara Bell. Here's another link were she was arrested for being a f*king wack job. Her name is actually KARA ! As in KAREN! Oh man.. that's so funny it defies words..

ARRESTED WACK JOB

Oh man, this chick is psycho..


The star of this link is a wacko named Tara Petch, who owns a company called "Jesus is the reason". Another wack job.

You might want to read your links before posting them, this one sides with me and is about students being upset that other people are censoring what they are allowed to read.


I'm not going to go through every link and bash each wack job. What you are seeing are what society terms "activists".. these people are the examples of extremism. And if you give in to activists because some fly on the wall offends them, you begin to create a precedent where anyone who gets offended can have something changed.

Again, any parent who is scared or concerned their child might be reading something they don't like is a failure as a parent, and these parents are always religious.. they are full grown adults who actually believe magical invisible sky fairies are real.

You can expect that any activist, regardless of whether their activism is from religion, a tree hugger, environmentalists, civil or criminal justice, or even finance, is going to blow their examples and positions so far out of proportion as to border on being fraud.

But don't get me wrong, that's not to say that in all the school libraries, there isn't a book here or there that probably shouldn't be. What I'm saying is that you are seeing extremist activity, and in a world flooded with social media, extremism has been handed the biggest audience microphone that has ever existed.
 
Again, any parent who is scared or concerned their child might be reading something they don't like is a failure as a parent, and these parents are always religious.. they are full grown adults who actually believe magical invisible sky fairies are real.

And you think it less crazy that you originated by random chance from muck (how did that muck get there in the first place?). Not to mention such a notion totally violates basic laws of thermodynamics and entropy (things naturally wind down, break down, towarsa chaos, apart from outside input). But hey, minor details....

Not to mention we have yet to see one species ecer turn into something new. Adaptations within a species is still the same species. Ever seen a fish grow legs? Some amoeba turn into a fly?

Yet somehow others are crazy for believing someone actually designed everything... the sheer complexity and vastness of nature says that it is a crazy notion that it all came from a pile of gunk "magically" by itself over some billions of years (and again, where did that gunk come from?).

If it all is just some cosmic accident, then who is to say what is right and wrong? Where does such authority come from? And what the heck is the purpose of life if it is so meaningless?

Just sayin'
 
And you think it less crazy that you originated by random chance from muck (how did that muck get there in the first place?). Not to mention such a notion totally violates basic laws of thermodynamics and entropy (things naturally wind down, break down, towarsa chaos, apart from outside input). But hey, minor details....
Huh? Where did you get that little bit of ridiculously silly information? Did you're pastor give that bit of garbage?

Organic matter, as well as everything else needed to create life has been found in space. Every nucleotide your DNA is made of has been found in space.

Not to mention we have yet to see one species ecer turn into something new. Adaptations within a species is still the same species. Ever seen a fish grow legs? Some amoeba turn into a fly?
More pastor garbage? It takes millions of years for species to diverge, you've been here less than 15(?) years. And humans have been here with the ability to record such things for less than a few thousand.
How could you witness something that takes millions of years if you've only been here for such a short time?

Yet somehow others are crazy for believing someone actually designed everything... the sheer complexity and vastness of nature says that it is a crazy notion that it all came from a pile of gunk "magically" by itself over some billions of years (and again, where did that gunk come from?).
Two perspectives on that..
1) If your argument is that everything had to come from somewhere, then a magical invisible sky fairy had to come from somewhere as well, which means not so magical.
2) Matter can pop into existence from absolutely nothing. Yup, not a typo, you read that correct.
3) We can now create matter from nothing. Yup, once again, not a typo. Google is your friend.

If it all is just some cosmic accident, then who is to say what is right and wrong?
Who says it now?
Your statement implies, without you saying it, that your religion somehow provides a moral compass, and since (i'm guessing) you're in the USA and/or speaking clear English, I'm guessing you're a Christian? So on that note, if you view your bible as providing a moral compass for right vs wrong, then you're going to have to explain how you rationalize and justify your endorsement of the enslavement of other humans. (Read Leviticus because I'm guessing your pastor probably hides that part from you)

Where does such authority come from?
The authority comes from (in ascending order), the >individual, >community, >society, >civilization.
And what the heck is the purpose of life if it is so meaningless?

Just sayin'
Several perspectives:
1) Does your life have meaning to you? If it does, there's your answer.
2) You're implying (correct me if I'm wrong), that without a god creator, then life is meaningless? What makes it meaningful with a creator?
 
It's disingenuous to say that anybody who believes in creation believes in a "magical sky fairy". There's a difference in believing that life wasn't random, and believing every word in the Bible (or whatever text), a book written, and heavily edited, by man.

I think that most compelling argument for creation is the point of life, and the concept of an irreducibly complex machine, as it relates to basic cellular reproduction.

It's entirely possible that life was random, and just happened. Anybody who claims to "know" otherwise is full of crap. That being said, this is what I BELIEVE to be true.

Let's say you did in fact find all of the "pieces" you needed to make life, just floating around in our primordial Ocean, just waiting to be assembled. Let's just say they happen to come together to form a strand of DNA. The chances of this are about as good as taking a dead deer in a box, sterilizing it, shaking it up for a few billion years, and expecting the entire tree of life to come out. I guess it's possible, but talk about faith. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident that we still have not created LIFE from nothing. Maybe we will one day, I'd be very excited if that happened.

For the sake of argument, let's just say that did in fact happen, that somehow random pieces of molecule were able to chemically bind together in the perfect way to form a strand of DNA. Now what? How does a single strand of DNA go about turning into a single cell organism? There's a lot of missing pieces there, and that's the concept of an irreducibly complex machine comes in.

In order for a living organism to reproduce, it has to be complete to start with. You can't just have a half a nucleus and a third of a mitochondria start making cytoplasms and cell walls. To start with, I would argue there has to be an entire functioning system to reproduce into an other functioning system.

Michael Behe is the guy who coined the idea, and wrote a few books on it as well, he does a much better job explaining this than I do.

The deeper I get into this topic, the more I understand that nobody knows shit.


enjoy reading critiques and criticisms just as much as I enjoy reading theories that I already subscribe to, and would be happy to defend my position.
 

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