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When the Sun Migrates for the Winter

Kornbread

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Yes, here in the middle of the US, the sun migrates South for the winter.

5k worth of used Trina panels. 2.25k facing East, 3k facing South. Arranged the panels in this manner to preserve as much power as possible for nighttime use. Here's the 411.

On the top graph, you can see a shadow around 9:30 and things remain fairly flat as the East facing panels do their thing. Then around 11:30, all 9 East panels get full sun. Around 12:30, the sun starts clearing the trees lining the East property line and hitting the South facing panels. Things do downhill from there as trees on the West property line come into play. All in all, the system can generate ~20kwh daily, which is considerably more than the shop usually consumes. All is good.

The sun migrates South for the winter.

Same time frame. With the sun further South, we now have to deal with the added shadows of trees on the Southern property line, in addition to trees both on the East and West. On a sunny day it generates <10kwh.

Guess the easy solution would be to cut down some trees, but hey, I like trees. Big mature oaks, maples, pecan ... the animals like em' too. I'll have another pallet of panels and additional solar charge controller in a few weeks and make up the difference.

Just an FYI for anyone else that may be 'shadow challenged'.


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Cut em all down! I have problem trees too but they are not mine to chop down. It's the cloudy days here that is quite annoying. Looks to be all of December is going to be dense clouds. Should've just not gone solar and saved the dough for something else. Oh well lesson learned. Having to use Grid due to clouds means no payback anytime soon.
 
I have your sun for a few months but you can have it back next year :cool:
 
Cut em all down! I have problem trees too but they are not mine to chop down. It's the cloudy days here that is quite annoying. Looks to be all of December is going to be dense clouds. Should've just not gone solar and saved the dough for something else. Oh well lesson learned. Having to use Grid due to clouds means no payback anytime soon.
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Same here in Ohio. I can do near 50kWh on a good sunny day in the spring/summer. Over the last week I've had 4 days of barely over 2kWh.
 
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Same here in Ohio. I can do near 50kWh on a good sunny day in the spring/summer. Over the last week I've had 4 days of barely over 2kWh.
Until yesterday’s 108kWh harvest, the eight days before were pretty bad just south of you. The tree trimming helped immensely. They get turned into lumber and firewood. Less moss, mold, health issues and soggy yards.
 
Same here in Ohio. I can do near 50kWh on a good sunny day in the spring/summer. Over the last week I've had 4 days of barely over 2kWh.
order twice as much pv as recommended and build a big battery. The cloudy, winter weather is survivable without a generator as long as the sun is out once every 3-10 days depending on temperatures.
Depending on where you’re locally at and the latitude.
Note @SparkyJJO ‘s quote above.

I can do 2kWhr + with sun even this time of year here in Vermont, but we are usually overcast most of the time in December.
To make it work my wildhat guess is 10 times of one’s daily kWh requirements in solar panel watts would probably work ok- or 500% as a blind optimistic minimum.

I think I made well over 3kWh potential yesterday with 800W of panels on the first good sun in days. Today, back to overcast and I’m charging at 35W aka 2A- about 10% or a tad less than usual 325-450W for this time of day in full sun (I have two 400W arrays 90 separated E and W so this is in the “slump” where both arrays aren’t getting full sun)

Either way, the 10% is supporting my point that you need ten times the panels you ‘need’ by the math of things.
 
On a good day I make 100 kwh. Yesterday made 9.6 kwh
really sucks
the problem with adding more panels/batts is the diminishing returns
signature solar had good sales black friday on batts and inverters and I live 30 minutes away
but Im already maybe 85 % covered by solar/batts so even with great prices I just cant justify it
so for now clouds just suck
 
I get accused of making unscientific claims sometimes by smarty-pantses and some electricians but there’s that ~10% again LOL
over the last week I have been averaging about 15 kwh out of 100 kwh max, but a few days as low as 7 kwh. at least I have grid assist avbl as needed. the sun is forecast to reappear today for about 5 days..
 
I'm in the same boat. Typical 60kWh in the summer, down to 0.3-1kWh for a couple days last week. Granted I'm not off-grid, so I'm not as upset lol
 
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Same here in Ohio. I can do near 50kWh on a good sunny day in the spring/summer. Over the last week I've had 4 days of barely over 2kWh.
Ha, yep. Michigan here, haven't seen the sun since last Sunday, and the next possible sunshine in the forecast isn't until mid next week.

Been trying to test the new panels I've received recently and constant dense overcast is making that pretty difficult.
 
Original planned location for my array was close to the highway, no trees between array and road, just one spruce tree straight east which I didn't think would matter in the summer as there would be enough daylight hours.

I changed the location closer to the rear of my 4 acres, surveyed the site with apps on my phone and websites that showed shadows. Installed the array and one day this winter in late afternoon I noticed the array had full sun but the original planned location had shade. There is a large woods across the road, the original location was at the bottom of the hill and the woods are all the way west to the top of the hill. In the new location, it is farther up the hill to the north, a gain of more than 20 feet.

Never gave it a thought the woods across the road would come into play when the sun is lower on the horizon and never thought elevation would play into it also. Lesson, don't put an array at the bottom of a hill, if you can put it at the highest point and always look in all directions for anything that will cast a shadow.
 
It was like that here also.
A solid 7 days of drizzle and clouds.
Even oversized array has trouble.
Seven day's straight heavy overcast in Alabama, we have had the grid turned off for over two months, today the alarms are going off on the batteries, so I turned off the inverter and turn on the Grid. Tomorrow suppose to be sunny. Heavy storms today!
And yes were seeing 7 to 10 percent generation compared to a sunny day. Were about to be past the shortest day of the year only a few more days.
 
FWIW, in case you guys haven't seen this tool.. you can enter your latitude and get a nice visual representation of the path of the sun throughout the whole year:
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Very helpful to get an idea of what trees (or other obstacles) might give you some unwanted shade come winter time
 

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