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SolarScott

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Anybody try one of these? The stated SEER factor is unreal....I am thinking run the thing on solar and get the house down really cold during the day so that when the solar peters out, you might not need to run much off battery at night. I am just leery from all the problems I am having with my inverters.
 
Anybody try one of these? The stated SEER factor is unreal....I am thinking run the thing on solar and get the house down really cold during the day so that when the solar peters out, you might not need to run much off battery at night. I am just leery from all the problems I am having with my inverters.
How cool are the typical overnights?

If the low is 90-95f heat soak will be an issue, but if it gets to the 60s and it’s well insulated, sounds like a logical plan for minimal battery demand.
 
Anybody try one of these? The stated SEER factor is unreal....I am thinking run the thing on solar and get the house down really cold during the day so that when the solar peters out, you might not need to run much off battery at night. I am just leery from all the problems I am having with my inverters.

Another benefit of the minisplit is they're not ON/OFF. They will modulate their power use to maintain a temperature rather than cycling on and off.

Lastly, SEER numbers are misleading as shit as the "seasonal" portion of it isn't horribly well defined. If you want to do a direct comparison of the efficiency of two different units, use the EER. It's a controlled test with well defined parameters allowing for a apples to apples comparison.
 
SEER ratings is quite defined, I’m sure some manufacturers take liberties with reporting (similar to car companies doing their own EPA mileage testing, here’s looking at you Porsche/Audi/VW https://www.reuters.com/business/au...economy-claims-500000-us-vehicles-2022-06-16/)

Also be in the look out for SEER2 and other DOE required changes for 2023.

 
If you have an inverter that outputs 220/230 volts, you can hook-up any mini split. No need for 'special dc' mini split whatsoever. I currently have 6 mini splits attached to my inverters and they run flawlessly. Three of then 24x7
 
If you have an inverter that outputs 220/230 volts, you can hook-up any mini split. No need for 'special dc' mini split whatsoever. I currently have 6 mini splits attached to my inverters and they run flawlessly. Three of then 24x7
You have to size the inverter for the loads it will carry.
Less AC loads means you don't need as large of an inverter.
This is what makes DC mini splits so popular.
And they are usually more efficient. Because they don't suffer from the conversion losses.
 
This AC/DC AC idea is keeping me from having to increase the size of my inverter just so I could add ac
 
Anybody try one of these? The stated SEER factor is unreal....I am thinking run the thing on solar and get the house down really cold during the day so that when the solar peters out, you might not need to run much off battery at night. I am just leery from all the problems I am having with my inverters.
I have a 9k and 12k Della splits. The 9k uses around 220w average on the lowest fan speed. Some times it goes lower. I have it in a section with the bedrooms that is insulated from the rest of the house. Its easy on the batteries and takes the edge of for sleeping in the summer nights.

The 12k uses between 270w-340w on the lowest fan speed. They are both 120v and I run them off inverters. I am off-grid.

What kind of inverter issues are you having?
 
This AC/DC AC idea is keeping me from having to increase the size of my inverter just so I could add ac
I'm going to use one of my unused transfer switches to power my 24k unit so if the DC runs low I can use my inverters....unless my inverters are overloaded, then I can switch over to gird AC. I am hoping for a zero dollar grid bill soon. Now I am only cutting it in half.
 
I have a 9k and 12k Della splits. The 9k uses around 220w average on the lowest fan speed. Some times it goes lower. I have it in a section with the bedrooms that is insulated from the rest of the house. Its easy on the batteries and takes the edge of for sleeping in the summer nights.

The 12k uses between 270w-340w on the lowest fan speed. They are both 120v and I run them off inverters. I am off-grid.

What kind of inverter issues are you having?
I have three Eg4 6000's and four EG 4 Lifepower batteries. My current 5 ton unit went out. I would never have been able to run it off grid. So, saw this as an opportunity to get the 24k unit going for now in my living room and kitchen/dinning area and if it works well, add the additional 12k units to my bedrooms. Hopefully I can run these with a few extra panels seperate from my 24 panels that run the rest of the house. Don't know if I ran everything through the inverters if I might run into an overload situation on extremely hot days.
 
SEER ratings is quite defined, I’m sure some manufacturers take liberties with reporting (similar to car companies doing their own EPA mileage testing, here’s looking at you Porsche/Audi/VW https://www.reuters.com/business/au...economy-claims-500000-us-vehicles-2022-06-16/)

Also be in the look out for SEER2 and other DOE required changes for 2023.


Your link explicitly states SEER is not often representative of real-world applications.
 
I can't shake the feeling that these "waste" solar. Do any of these feature the ability to "load shed" when not running to a SCC? Plus as 470GLE mentioned unless your lows are down there and/or your insulation is top notch, you might need to run these outside of sun hours anyways.

I like the idea, but it feels like to me a "solution in need of a problem". Personally I'd rather get a minisplit that is variable (like the EG4 is per someone else, so thats a positive for it) and has "soft start" ability.

Related idea, does anyone do a "cold battery" like some people do a heat battery. Chill a water-glycol mix in summer, circulate to (potentially passive) radiators
 
If you have an inverter that outputs 220/230 volts, you can hook-up any mini split. No need for 'special dc' mini split whatsoever. I currently have 6 mini splits attached to my inverters and they run flawlessly. Three of then 24x7
And you lose how much of the energy you collected, through your inverters…

But I get it, if you have a robust system it’s simpler to just have everything run on AC power.
 
And you lose how much of the energy you collected, through your inverters…

But I get it, if you have a robust system it’s simpler to just have everything run on AC power.

10%-ish.

Given the flexibility and choice of AC powered options and the higher cost and reduced availability of equivalent DC powered items, I have never found a case where the increased cost of the DC item justified saving that 10%. In a tight system, sure, it's worth considering, but if you're trying to run a mini-split, you'd better not have a tight system. :)
 
10%-ish.

Given the flexibility and choice of AC powered options and the higher cost and reduced availability of equivalent DC powered items, I have never found a case where the increased cost of the DC item justified saving that 10%. In a tight system, sure, it's worth considering, but if you're trying to run a mini-split, you'd better not have a tight system. :)
I think the "best case" for skipping DC-AC is anything close enough to the batteries that is already running DC. The farther away the more line losses (and/or the expense of cable) become an issue.

Another thing to keep in mind is how shockingly bad a lot of common power supplies are, when you take into account the VA due to poor power factor on top of lackluster efficiency. It's why despite the lower output I have a multi port USB-C power brick of good quality ready to run my laptop and recharge my phone for the next time I'm grid-down.
 
I have a 4000 watt SW4024 Lo Frequency inverter. I already power up to 3500 watts of load with it. Unless I upgrade to a larger inverter system, and more batteries (well I'm already addicted enough to have done that - 32kWh of storage on hand starting today) ... but unless I upgrade the inverter, (which again the addiction will probably dictate I do one day) ... but unless the inverter gets upgraded AND for me it has to be Lo Frequency (too many chance inductive loads for Hi Frequency shut downs here), the AC/DC ACs running DC only on surplus panels is my only option.
 
I have a 4000 watt SW4024 Lo Frequency inverter. I already power up to 3500 watts of load with it. Unless I upgrade to a larger inverter system, and more batteries (well I'm already addicted enough to have done that - 32kWh of storage on hand starting today) ... but unless I upgrade the inverter, (which again the addiction will probably dictate I do one day) ... but unless the inverter gets upgraded AND for me it has to be Lo Frequency (too many chance inductive loads for Hi Frequency shut downs here), the AC/DC ACs running DC only on surplus panels is my only option.
I’m thinking if I had 32kwh of battery I’d likely just “inverter up“ ? and go with a normal 120 or 220 AC powered mini split unit due to initial ms cost savings and simplicity.
No potential waste of solar production from dedicated ms panels then.
Inverter loss be damned.

EDIT: I don’t already have a significant battery bank or inverter so will still likely go with an EG4 or similar hybrid ms to start.
 
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