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Turning certain loads on off idle?

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So I have been wanting to set up a system where the (fan,radio) would only turn on if the gas pedal was pressed, Or off engine idle. This might be a non issue for some but i'd like these loads to be powered when the alternator has a greater output, as the alternators seem to struggle at idle to support the fan(high) radio, and the high beams being on.

Again I understand some might think this is tom foolery, however please try to help me as if it was the best thing since sliced bread.

I know a 5 pin automotive relay could work, but I am not quite sure how to power the coil, ie what would I use to turn it on. The car in question is a 1999 toyota rav4. so I don't think it has a electronically controlled throttle..

Anyone have suggestions for a way to turn the coil relay on when the engine is off idle? Thanks
 
Have you had the alternator checked? Most parts stores have the ability to check it (while still installed) for you for FREE. If it does need replaced, RockAuto has a 90 amp upgrade available.

If you'd like to go through all of the wiring to do what you're looking for, a micro switch on the throttle should do the trick.
 
This sounds like a bad battery or other battery issue. It's the point I'm having a battery so when alt is overpowered it draws from battery then when moving again it recharges
 
I am actually just trying to prolong the battery and reduce the strain on the alternator at idle speed. However most alternators only output minimal amounts of amps at idle speed.
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I am actually just trying to prolong the battery. However most alternators only output minimal amounts of amps at idle speed.
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Yupp but the alternator also shouldn't be ran above 70% for prolong periods and 40% of alternator should be plenty of power to not only handle the normal car loads but even extra to charge the battery.... then when you are above 1000rpm it has all the power to fully charge the battery.

If your vehicle can't idle with normal loads there's gotta be an issue. Either bad cell in battery, bad output in alternator or massive load that you're unaware of
 
Yeah, it just seems like a really bad idea not address to the root cause. Eventually you're going to have to anyway.
 
yes I do consider the fan on high, radio on, high beams on , brake lights on to be a massive load for a stock 70amp alternator. Throw in the chance the windshield wiper being on, along with the engine computer, and yea I think its a massive load for a 70amp alternator at idle.

The microswitch looks like a good idea.
 
any chance you can point out the micro switch you are refering to? Sounds like what i would like.

Look up nitrous control units. They'll have a switch that is activated at WOT, but I don't see how it couldn't be setup to activate on a closed throttle. It'll take some fabricobbling.
 
So I have been wanting to set up a system where the (fan,radio) would only turn on if the gas pedal was pressed, Or off engine idle. This might be a non issue for some but i'd like these loads to be powered when the alternator has a greater output, as the alternators seem to struggle at idle to support the fan(high) radio, and the high beams being on.

Again I understand some might think this is tom foolery, however please try to help me as if it was the best thing since sliced bread.

I know a 5 pin automotive relay could work, but I am not quite sure how to power the coil, ie what would I use to turn it on. The car in question is a 1999 toyota rav4. so I don't think it has a electronically controlled throttle..

Anyone have suggestions for a way to turn the coil relay on when the engine is off idle? Thanks

You're going to disable window defogging and heat at idle?

I have this same vehicle. It's 25 years old with 120k and I did have to do the alternator a couple years ago.

There is no reason to do what you're trying....it's Tom Foolery
 
ASE Master Tech here..

From the factory there is no scenario where the vehicle demands more than the alternator can produce.. UNTIL the system degrades. Usually that is the alternator itself but the charging circuit can develop high resistance causing a voltage drop which hampers the system performance as well.

Checking alternator performance is very simple on an older vehicle, with the caveat of most hobbyists not having a large variable load tester. You can still do pretty much all that you need to do with a multimeter. I would highly recommend actually testing the system performance before propping up any crutches which may do no more than obscure a developing issue which should be treated at the root cause.

If there is interest in doing it i can type out the process.
 
I was going to say you have a really bad battery; does vehicle barely crank or something?. All this seems un-necessary and usual and unheard of.

I cant imagine driving and having the radoi turn off every time the gas pedal is at zero. Seems like you are going to destroy your electronics at a more expensive rate than any charging / battery savings you might get.

I usually try to answer forum questions and not try to guess the intent or outcome, but this is too much. You gotta come up with a better back-story than this....

For mere moments like at a stop light or in traffic the battery has ample power to run the fan, ecu, radio etc and not go dead. The alternator should not at all have any struggles to keep up. Alternators only put out as much power as is required, nothing more, so at idle that might be all the power your battery needs.
Does your electronics run off the battery or the alternator? Start there. That is a trick question too, but you need to understand it.
 
y'all are giving me steady resistances to what I had in mind. Most of my testing has been done on my 1997 toyota corolla, it has the original alternator it in as far as I can tell. I took the alternator apart and cleaned all the connections, cleaned the contacts on the rectifier, there is that guy on youtube.... who takes them apart. The brushes are worn to say the least.

Maybe all this is for nigh. The corolla has 260000KM. the rav has 140000KM. Corolla has a costco marine 100ah battery(1 year old, charged every time I drive it i charge it with a victron 12/30amp charger). Luckily the corolla has degraded enough that its no longer driveable!!

I have a volt meter hooked to the cigerette lighter, its soldered in. This is where I have been getting my readings from. might be a poor source.
 
Nothing adds up here.
I suggest leaving the solar forum and talking to a toyota forum as your vehicle has issues - electrical issues, like your wires are so corroded that they cannot conduct enough amps when at idle to power anything.
This is not an issue I have ever ever heard of, and should not exist. Fix the vehicle, no band-aids, no duct tape, no coat hangers....
 
If you have a multimeter it’s not hard to test the charging system. You’re just looking at voltages at various points and conditions, for the most part. Checking current does require you to have a dc clamp meter or attachment or some kind of load tester, but knowing actual current/amps is mostly academic anyway. You can tell whether the system works just by voltages.

1. What is battery voltage when car is off, preferably after sitting overnight? If it’s over 12.60v it’s very likely your charging system works ‘well enough’, or at least did the last time the engine was running!
2. Start the vehicle and observe the voltage. IF voltage rises AT ALL past 12.6, THEN the charging system does ‘something’. If it jumps into the 13s right away it does ‘a fair bit’, if it jumps into the 14s it does ‘a lot’. This is vague but it does hold true that a weak charging system cannot push voltage as high as a strong one, though this symptom usually is only noticeable under greater load.
3. Turn on every electrical device in the car except the radio, horn, brake lights. The biggest loads you can turn on in a bare bones car like an old Rav or Corolla is the blower motor (preferably with the ac on) , followed by headlights/taillights and rear defrost, followed by wipers and hazards. Pretty much any car having all of this ‘standard’ equipment turned on will be asking 55-60amps from the alternator. Turn all of it on, then check voltage. If its above 13.0v at idle, your charging system is JUST FINE (at that moment, anyway). If its NOT above 13.0v, then you have to distinguish between a voltage drop in the wiring, and a bad alternator.

To do a voltage drop test on the charging circuit, leave all the electrical loads on and put your positive meter lead on the charging post where your ‘big wire’ attaches to the rear of the alternator. put your black lead on the battery positive terminal. Whatever voltage is displayed is the difference in voltage from one end of the wire to the other, aka the voltage ‘consumed’ by the wire’s resistance (which is really being converted into heat). This number should be under 0.5v at full load although thats a bit of a line in the sand. That was the positive side of the circuit. To test the negative side, put your red meter lead on the battery negative terminal and your black meter lead onto the metal housing of the alternator. The alternator grounds through its housing so anywhere on the metal housing is fine. This number should be below 0.2v or so. The threshold is lower for the ground side because it shares the ground wire for the starter, which is MUCH larger than would be necessary for only the alternator, thus it SHOULD drop less voltage. Remember that voltage drop is proportional to current, so it should be tested under the highest continuous current possible, ie ‘with everything turned on’.

The main idea is that the charging circuit shouldnt drop more than about 0.7v total. Considering that the alternator will not usually put out more than 14.X volts and a fully charged battery is 12.6v, there is less than 2 volts of ‘wiggle room’ and if the circuit drops over 1 volt it can pretty quickly make the alternator appear not to work when it actually does.

Report back if you do any of these tests.
 
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Ok gotta know are you listening to normal radio or like Spotify via Bluetooth? Because normal radio you'll miss part of the song everytime but bt will start and stop
 
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