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Mine are not attached AT ALL :)
I DID comment that these were my Gypsy panels :). They weigh 42lb a pop plus the 2x4 structure so a solid 50+lb per set. I will add an eye loop at the bottom of each and run a long fake rock climbing rope (the ones you find at home depot for 20/100' and are 1/2" diameter.... I will connect to the bottom of each triangle structure and anchor on the side of the house at each end. If things go really bad (i.e. hurricane winds), then the tripod might topple on the roof but no 50lb panel will go flying off the roof.
I'm not sure what material your climbing rope is made of, but if it has any kind of polyester fiber, which most of the cheap ropes do, I would highly discourage this plan. The ropes will work fine for a few months. After this, the polyester will have deteriorated enough in the sunlight to weaken it, making it no longer safe. After a couple years or so, depending on its thickness, it may just blow away in the wind on its own. Most types of plastic are vulnerable to sunlight. A steel cable would be more secure, and it would probably be more aesthetic, too (less noticeable).

Note that this perspective is shared from Thailand where the sun is more intense and perhaps the quality of products is less--so your mileage may vary--but I have seen ropes destroyed by sunshine here.
 
I'm not sure what material your climbing rope is made of, but if it has any kind of polyester fiber, which most of the cheap ropes do, I would highly discourage this plan. The ropes will work fine for a few months. After this, the polyester will have deteriorated enough in the sunlight to weaken it, making it no longer safe. After a couple years or so, depending on its thickness, it may just blow away in the wind on its own. Most types of plastic are vulnerable to sunlight. A steel cable would be more secure, and it would probably be more aesthetic, too (less noticeable).

Note that this perspective is shared from Thailand where the sun is more intense and perhaps the quality of products is less--so your mileage may vary--but I have seen ropes destroyed by sunshine here.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback and agree with you.
I am using #6 AWG for grounding all my panels so I will simply tie in to that. No amount of sun wind and rain will rip a #6 AWG copper wire :)
 
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback and agree with you.
I am using #6 AWG for grounding all my panels so I will simply tie in to that. No amount of sun wind and rain will rip a #6 AWG copper wire :)
Copper as a PV restraint. wow.
Perhaps a deliberate attempt at humour.
Be sure your insurance is up to date.
 
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Copper as a PV restraint. wow.
Perhaps a deliberate attempt at humour.
Be sure your insurance is up to date.
I hope this little bit of sarcasm helped you feel better somehow. But I'm afraid it did not provide any value to this conversation. Perhaps you would have some valuable insight to share that would help us understand the folly of our tentative plans and save us from some unforeseen catastrophe?
 
Not sarcasm, bitter reality.
Sure, valuable insight is appropriate.
A copper ground wire is a poor choice for a restraint for roof top loose laid PV panels, meets no code requirements (structural or electrical), and since you plan to attach the cable only at the ends of the roof, the hold-down effectiveness for the centre area will be nearly zero; hold-down force will be a function of the wire tension and the angle between the tie-down point and the PV panel so flat laid cable no matter the tension will provide very low/no hold down vector. It's math.
From your photos it appears your located in a municipality and building codes, electrical codes, insurance, neighbours are components of the decision process. We have see others on the forum report fines they paid for non-compliant loose panels on a roof, perhaps you will be next. If not, and wind produces conditions resulting in damage to a neighbour's propertery you may be culpable - ie "be sure your insurance is up to date" was the advice.

Roof top solar panels need to be secured to the roof structure. In many areas this will mean a submission to the local AHJ for review and approval proir to construction. Many commercially available PV restraint systems are available for various types of roofing.
 
My chief concern with copper cables would be that copper is quite malleable, and might stretch and/or have insufficient tensile strength in the moment when it was needed. Steel cables would hold firmly, and if strung from one eave, over the ridge, and down to the opposite eave (which is what I was imagining when I suggested them), I think it should hold well enough, provided it was suitably attached to the panel's base, and provided each end of the cable was well anchored, not just screwed to the external fascia board. Mathematically, you would be holding from two different vectors, and if the cable were tight, there should not be much wiggle room.

Running a plank on either side of the bases with multiple attach points on each one (at least two, if using sturdy lag bolts, more if resorting to deck screws) to prevent the bases from even flipping over would be another way of sturdifying the assembly, and again, without needing to puncture the roofing and risk leakage. The cables would still be necessary to hold the assembly down, but this would greatly restrict movement and by tying it all together, the weight would be increased in order to budge even one part of it (all or none). Of course, winds are more powerful than many understand, and with the panels' exposure, the potential force is substantial. (If I've done the math correctly, with a conservative estimate of each solar panel being about two feet by three feet in dimension, i.e. 6 sq. ft. total, each panel would have a force of around 55 pounds of wind load in a 60 mph wind. But increase the wind to 80 mph and the wind load is nearly 100 pounds per panel. With the angle of the panels, some of that will be a lifting force, like for an airplane wing--which would reduce the resistance to movement based on traction with the roof shingles. Lots of physics to consider.)

One thing's for sure: I would not fancy carrying a piece of plywood (okay, 32 sq. ft. of surface area) on that roof with even a 15 mph breeze! I think I'd be a nose-diving kite!
 

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