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[Batvette]

By the numbers: President Donald Trump's failed efforts to overturn the election​

By the numbers: where Mark Zuckerbergs "non partisan" $425 million was directed to and the resulting rigged election:

UPDATED: Shining a Light on Zuck Bucks in the 2020 Battleground States

Editor’s Note: May 28, 2024: Updated Texas analysis with new data. January 18, 2022: Analysis completed for all states. The latest in a series exposing Mark Zuckerberg’s influence on the 2020 election. The Capital Research Center was…

capitalresearch.org

 

[Batvette]

This goes into great depth about the levels of skull duggery that went on.
The media was silent about all this.

Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) - InfluenceWatch

The Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) is a Chicago, Illinois-based center-left election reform advocacy group formed in 2012. The organization pushes for left-of-center voting policies and election administration. It has a wide reach into local elections offices across the nation and is...

www.influencewatch.org

 

[McKravitts]

This goes into great depth about the levels of skull duggery that went on.
The media was silent about all this.

Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) - InfluenceWatch

The Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) is a Chicago, Illinois-based center-left election reform advocacy group formed in 2012. The organization pushes for left-of-center voting policies and election administration. It has a wide reach into local elections offices across the nation and is...

www.influencewatch.org

Thank yo for sharing your soyrces of information.
I'll do some research and see what others may be saying.

 

[Starex]

You mean like using the justice system to attempt to jail a political opponent??

And for things they actually did.


You understand your side doesn't like Trump because he does things that benefit the working class right?

He hasn’t benefited me one bit.
What about you?

 

[Starex]

That may be the case but it doesnt mean Biden was a better choice. Hate can make you blind. Ill be the first to admit Trump can be a toad but Im not picking a new sunday school teacher for my child. We are picking someone to represent our country on the world stage and Mr. Nice Guy doesnt get the job done. Trump says what hes going to do and does his best to try and do it.The so called 30,000 lies, 90% of them were lies themselves. The other 10% were mostly him being wrong or not giving a shit about what people thought anyway.
In summary voting against an opponent without a better one of your own is pretty silly.

Why do you immediately assume that being against as a presidential choice equates to hate?
And who do you assume I voted for?

 

[Checkthisout]

He hasn’t benefited me one bit.
What about you?

1) Border Control

2) Increasing the standard deduction by a large margin

3) Domestic energy production lowering fuel prices.

For starters

You don't think you benefited from any of those things? If not, how has Biden (handlers) decisions benefited you?

 

[Starex]

By the numbers: where Mark Zuckerbergs "non partisan" $425 million was directed to and the resulting rigged election:

UPDATED: Shining a Light on Zuck Bucks in the 2020 Battleground States

Editor’s Note: May 28, 2024: Updated Texas analysis with new data. January 18, 2022: Analysis completed for all states. The latest in a series exposing Mark Zuckerberg’s influence on the 2020 election. The Capital Research Center was…

capitalresearch.org

By the numbers: where Mark Zuckerbergs "non partisan" $425 million was directed to and the resulting rigged election:

https://capitalresearch.org/article/shining-a-light-on-zuck-bucks-in-key-states/[/URL

http://[HEADING=2][URL='https://www... Trump’s 2020 Presidential Campaign[/HEADING]

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If the republican Supreme Court judges hadn’t approved citizens united the problems wouldn’t exist.
The 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted political influence toward wealthy donors and corporations.
If you read the plethora of posting I did yesterday, you’d realize that there is corruption on both sides.

 

[Checkthisout]

http://[HEADING=2][URL='https://www... Trump’s 2020 Presidential Campaign[/HEADING]

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If the republican Supreme Court judges hadn’t approved citizens united the problems wouldn’t exist.
The 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted political influence toward wealthy donors and corporations.
If you read the plethora of posting I did yesterday, you’d realize that there is corruption on both sides.

Rinos are not conservatives. Yes, Republicans are just as bad as democrats.

Trump isn't liked by Republicans either

 

[Starex]

1) Border Control

2) Increasing the standard deduction by a large margin

3) Domestic energy production lowering fuel prices.

For starters

You don't think you benefited from any of those things? If not, how has Biden (handlers) decisions benefited you?

He never finished the wall, and didn’t get a penny out of mexico

Like Trump, I don’t pay taxes. There are so many loop holes it is easy,

Much of my income comes from oil and gas production, so no benefit to me from increased production. There actually is more production under Biden.

He’s contributed to so much distrust and hatred between Americans, that I sometimes fear for my life.

Biden has done nothing for me and I won’t be voting for him.
Right now I’m leaning towards Haley.

I don’t hate Trump but he has made so many people threaten the lives of friends of mine that I don’t want him to ever be president again.
I fear he’ll incite a civil war and I know supporters of him that are looking forward to killing people.

 

[aenyc]

I do not always agree with what you post, however everything you have posted is 100% correct.

I also agree.
The only difference is "joe biden" the man is lucky if he can walk on his own.
Everything "joe biden" does is directly controlled by the powers that be, be it "obama's third term" or the same oligarchy that controls them all, does not matter.

 

[aenyc]

A lot of those votes weren’t votes for Biden as much as they were votes against trump

Actually I call bullshit on that. Because that is mathematically impossible when considered with all other (even official) numbers.
Actual mathematicians did a breakdown showing this but you will have to look outside of MSM where anyone who refutes the narrative is silienced.

And just for the record, my take is that the entire political process is one giant theatrical show to divide and conquer the proles. These politicians have no real power whatsoever, the are fully controlled by the unelected oligarchy that feeds both wings of this bird of prey, but they gotta make it seem real for the proles and that they learned how to do well over the last several centuries (the illusion of democracy as your taxes keep going up and liberties down)

 

[Checkthisout]

He never finished the wall, and didn’t get a penny out of mexico

Why didn't it get finished? Do you want a controlled border or not?

Please don't be stupid with obtuse answers and "questions".

Like Trump, I don’t pay taxes. There are so many loop holes it is easy,

No kidding? You didn't benefit from moving the standard deduction from 11,500 to almost 24,000. You must not make much money.

Much of my income comes from oil and gas production, so no benefit to me from increased production. There actually is more production under Biden.

Obtuse again. Also, you're just making shit up.

He’s contributed to so much distrust and hatred between Americans, that I sometimes fear for my life.

No, democrats have done that by accusing people of things they are not guilty of, engaging in censorship and not practicing border control.

Biden has done nothing for me and I won’t be voting for him.
Right now I’m leaning towards Haley.

You're a neocon.

I don’t hate Trump but he has made so many people threaten the lives of friends of mine that I don’t want him to ever be president again.
I fear he’ll incite a civil war and I know supporters of him that are looking forward to killing people.

You're lying or you're starting shit with people and then when people get tired of it and shut you up you blame Trump.

 

[aenyc]

He never finished the wall, and didn’t get a penny out of mexico

I am waiting for any political puppet that will address the actual problem - free shit for illegals. Cut the free shit, and guess what, no wall needed! But i wont hold my breath, as illegal immigration serves a completely different purpose, therefore it will not be addressed by political puppets.

Like Trump, I don’t pay taxes. There are so many loop holes it is easy,

Much of my income comes from oil and gas production, so no benefit to me from increased production. There actually is more production under Biden.

I think the only people who truly dont pay taxes are oligarchy middle managers such as Gates and Bezos (and the like). Only they can afford to pay for the usage of legal loopholes that exist (or by bribing contributing to the right politicians).
So I call BS on YOU personally paying zero taxes unless you are on govt handouts. Then yes, you are paying zero taxes.

He’s contributed to so much distrust and hatred between Americans, that I sometimes fear for my life.

You clearly have not done your research. Think what you want about Trump, but he is simply a symptom of a much larger problem - America, that has been mismanaged and destroyed by the Oligarchy over the last 80-110 years. (or more accurately since 1913)

Biden has done nothing for me and I won’t be voting for him.
Right now I’m leaning towards Haley.

Haley the oligarchy shill? Actually they are all the same so it doesnt really matter in this sense. They are all doing the oligarchy bidding and you are legitimizing the process.

I don’t hate Trump but he has made so many people threaten the lives of friends of mine that I don’t want him to ever be president again.

He did? Wow, what universe do you live in?
The only times when our lives were directly threatened by government in the most recent history is when they made vaxxjabs mandatory for people to keep their jobs. Was it Trump's doing? Most certainly not by Trump the man, but the oligarchy that controls it all was delighted!

I fear he’ll incite a civil war and I know supporters of him that are looking forward to killing people.

You need to study history a bit better and understand how civil wars come into place.
Here is a clue for you: Every single war ever fought by humanity was a result of economic mismanagement. (and then those who mismanaged them put people against one another so that they don't see the real culprits of a problem - the mismanagers (ie the oligarchy))

 

[Batvette]

http://[HEADING=2][URL='https://www... Trump’s 2020 Presidential Campaign[/HEADING]

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If the republican Supreme Court judges hadn’t approved citizens united the problems wouldn’t exist.
The 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted political influence toward wealthy donors and corporations.
If you read the plethora of posting I did yesterday, you’d realize that there is corruption on both sides.

Murphyguy attempted this same lame dismissal. This is entirely different.
These werent campaign contributions.
You either dont understand what zuckerberg did or youre intentionally confusing the issue.

 

[grizzzman]

I also agree.
The only difference is "joe biden" the man is lucky if he can walk on his own.
Everything "joe biden" does is directly controlled by the powers that be, be it "obama's third term" or the same oligarchy that controls them all, does not matter.

Agreed that has been true for a long time.

 

[Batvette]

He never finished the wall, and didn’t get a penny out of mexico

He tried, its not his fault it wasnt done.

Much of my income comes from oil and gas production, so no benefit to me from increased production. There actually is more production under Biden.

Its not up because of his policies. Its up because crude prices rose, making domestic production lucrative.

He’s contributed to so much distrust and hatred between Americans, that I sometimes fear for my life.

The fear is your own paranoia and hatred.

Biden has done nothing for me and I won’t be voting for him.
Right now I’m leaning towards Haley.

Haley wont be on the ticket and if youre not voting for Trump youre voting for Biden, even if you sit it out. You voted for Biden in 2020. Ive seen this lack of accountability before. Biden is still the far worse choice.

I don’t hate Trump but he has made so many people threaten the lives of friends of mine that I don’t want him to ever be president again.
I fear he’ll incite a civil war and I know supporters of him that are looking forward to killing people.

Yeah just like all those people they killed on january 6th. BLM killed innocent people. Your paranoia does not justify anything.

 

[Checkthisout]

Murphyguy attempted this same lame dismissal. This is entirely different.
These werent campaign contributions.
You either dont understand what zuckerberg did or youre intentionally confusing the issue.

More wastes of time are suddenly posting on this forum. What gives?

 

[grizzzman]

More wastes of time are suddenly posting on this forum. What gives?

Ya I was wondering if "Leo" returned with all the spam that got tossed up.

 

[Batvette]

Thank yo for sharing your soyrces of information.
I'll do some research and see what others may be saying.

If you realize that some of these grants were simply given as slush fund payouts given so officials would look the other way as CCTL operatives rigged the election, it explains why so many republican officials were quick to certify and declare it safe and secure. They were given the freedom to spend the money nearly any way they wanted, investigating election fraud might expose their own corruption. Many were just staunch supporters of status quo tired of Trump rocking the boat.

 

[McKravitts]

Actually I call bullshit on that. Because that is mathematically impossible when considered with all other (even official) numbers. Actual mathematicians did a breakdown showing this but you will have to look outside of MSM where anyone who refutes the narrative is silienced.

Please provide references to the data of these mathematicians.
I did some graduate srtudies in math and statistics .

Murphyguy attempted this same lame dismissal. This is entirely different.
These werent campaign contributions.

They were political contributions and perfectly legal .
I don;t like them anymore than you do.

I also agree.
The only difference is "joe biden" the man is lucky if he can walk on his own.
Everything "joe biden" does is directly controlled by the powers that be, be it "obama's third term" or the same oligarchy that controls them all, does not matter.

It is pretty obvious to me that no one can control bidens mouth. He does spew a lot of BS that doesn't seem to appeal to anybody.
Every time he tries to give away money to dead beats, he may get a few dead beats votes but he pisses off 10 times as many people.

 

[Checkthisout]

You can see what brain dead cowards liberal males are.

The guy says "Trump didn't finish the wall"

Pretending as though him and his cuck liberal friends weren't trying to stop him every step of the way, calling border control and walls, racist, xenophobic etc.

Seriously, how do males become that way? I think Alex Jones has it right.

They are the cucked husbands of liberal middle-aged women.

 

[McKravitts]

He tried, its not his fault it wasnt done.

Ahh poor trump. He shouldn't have campainged on it if he couldn't get it done/

Its not up because of his policies. Its up because crude prices rose, making domestic production lucrative.

The increase in domestic production caused a decline in prices, which has dropped gas prices at the pump down substantially.
There are so many bad things about Biden, I don't think you have to bring up the weak argument that he somehow caused gas prices to rise.

The fear is your own.

I'm sorry, I'm trying to have an honest conversation with you and stay as open minded as possible. I believe you're projecting your owm paranoia and hatrred
Projection is a type of defense mechanism or means of coping. People may use defense mechanisms and unconscious mental strategies to cope with stressful or anxiety-provoking thoughts and experiences.

Haley wont be on the ticket and if youre not voting for Trump youre voting for Biden, even if you sit it out. You voted for Biden in 2020. Ive seen this lack of accountability before. Biden is still the far worse choice.

Yeah just like all those people they killed on january 6th. BLM killed innocent people. Your paranoia does not justify anything.

I have the option of just not voting.
Now your projecting that I am somehow a supporter of BLM.

This behavior of yours is not going to win anyone over. If you have good solid evidence based arguments all you have to do is stick to them.
You seem to want to define people who don't agree with you in the most simplistic and demoralizing way, sometimes resorting to childish name calling and bullying.

I shall nevertheless continue to attempt to have a logical fact based discussion with you.

 

[McKravitts]

You can see what brain dead cowards liberal males are.

The guy says "Trump didn't finish the wall"

Pretending as though him and his cuck liberal friends weren't trying to stop him every step of the way, calling border control and walls, racist, xenophobic etc.

Seriously, how do males become that way? I think Alex Jones has it right.

They are the cucked husbands of liberal middle-aged women.

Trump had a republican majority in the house and senate for two years. I don't believe anyone could have stopped him if he pushed hard enough.
I think he and the republicans didn't want to lose the issue as a campaign tool. After all getting reelected is more important to a politician then actually doing something good for the country. If you don't believe that I've got a wall to sell you.

 

[McKravitts]

More wastes of time are suddenly posting on this forum. What gives?

The starting post of this thread:

"Other threads keep getting misdirected with Trump rants .... This thread is for a full and complete discussion about Trump ..... For those who think he is a saint .... and for those with TDS who just need to rant a little so they can sleep better.
Have at it!! "

Bob was courteous enough to set up a thread for all sides to present their opinions. If you guys don’t like it, there are many other forums where you can all repeat the same rhetoric to each other.

That must be exciting.

People stay in their comfort zone to avoid feelings of anxiety or stress, and pain. Anything outside the comfort zone creates uncertainty, and uncertainty makes us feel anxious. Naturally, human beings are wired to avoid these feelings. This makes them reluctant to leave their comfort zone.

If you do retreat to your comfort zone, I'll miss you but wish you the best.

 

[Starex]

The starting post of this thread:

"Other threads keep getting misdirected with Trump rants .... This thread is for a full and complete discussion about Trump ..... For those who think he is a saint .... and for those with TDS who just need to rant a little so they can sleep better.
Have at it!! "

Bob was courteous enough to set up a thread for all sides to present their opinions. If you guys don’t like it, there are many other forums where you can all repeat the same rhetoric to each other.

That must be exciting.

People stay in their comfort zone to avoid feelings of anxiety or stress, and pain. Anything outside the comfort zone creates uncertainty, and uncertainty makes us feel anxious. Naturally, human beings are wired to avoid these feelings. This makes them reluctant to leave their comfort zone.

If you do retreat to your comfort zone, I'll miss you but wish you the best.

It is strange how these TL’s seem to have no substance, just talking points.
Talking points they all get from the same narrow conservative talk shows and web sites/forums etc.
I wonder how they cope when they’re in a group of people with a range of different political Affiliations.
Perhaps this is why they all buy assault weapons and threaten prople.
It’s sad when all you have to do with your life is worship a cult leader.