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WTH is this new Cali BS? Income Based Rate Increase??? I don't understand.... someone look at this PLZ

Mithril said:
You mean like roads, the military, fire and police services? And how they all work better than private attempts at those? Right ok. Or how nearly every community/city run ISP costs less and works better than nearly every private company ISP? ok.
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You mean like the state building the roads and the Federal government saying ahh here’s some free money. Then 20 years later saying if you don’t do what we say we are are pulling our funds.
Same thing with education.

The US highway system was built by the government not for the people but for Troop movement.
The federal government has no funds.
They are taxes collected from us.

Paying taxes for a municipal water system, Police and Fire is not socialism.
It’s a paid service from our tax base.

Military same way. It was to protect the country.
Is everyone’s military Socialist? I think not.

When I bust my ass, make good and bad choices but still continue to improve myself then suddenly I’m being penalized for it to take care of people who want to sit on their asses and plunk out 10 kids.

I am not responsible for those people.

I help people who help themselves.

Don’t waste the bleeding heart stuff here.
I’m only responsible for me and my family. Nobody else.

Giving people money to bring up their level of living taken from people who have earned that money is Socialism. Not having it.
 
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Nobodybusiness said:
Don’t waste the bleeding heart stuff here.
I’m only responsible for me and my family. Nobody else.
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[removed] Travel more, see the world, meet people unlike yourself and try talking to them.

Edit: Unwatching this thread as it's a dumpster fire.
 
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Mithril said:
No, it's called a functioning society of people who wouldn't let their neighbor die because they made mistakes or couldn't empty a boot of water if the instructions were inside. It's called pooling and distributing resources generally better than individual and local efforts go. it's how we build the road network that keeps the country running, how we defend the country and shipping with the military, how the police and fire departments are run. What a bunch of people are calling "socialism" is actually just the least bad way to run things we've figured out for a modern 1st world nation that attempts to do the most good for the most people.

If you breakdown where "all the money" actually goes all of the welfare is fairly small. Huge chunks of it go to kids (if you are going to argue against that please just don't), unemployment insurance, which is paid for and proportional to any and all paying jobs a person had generally in the past 2 years and is further means tested by the states, as well as generally limited to 6 months per claim. it tends to be 1/4th of what you made, or less, as is still taxed as income, and healthcare for the old and the poor (like really REALLY poor, usually if you have any savings you don't quality, if you are getting UI you don't qualify).

Trying to bring immigration policy into an already wildly off topic discussion is not a strong or useful argument about the subjects already in play.

I really should have disabled notifications for this thread. Too many people getting their words, and world, defined by TV.
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I will argue against the kids, I don't have any in the school system and shouldn't have to pay for it period. And, the more illegals that flood in the more the schools take; why should people have to give up their dam home cause they can't pay the property taxes subsidizing other people? If you bleeding heart liberals want to spend your money on others then do it..stop expecting the rest if us to foot the bill cause you guys get all emotional and think your morally superior. I should not have to take care of other peoples responsibilities..especially ones that hopped the fence.
 
Mithril said:
The politest thing I can say is I pity you. Travel more, see the world, meet people unlike yourself and try talking to them.

Edit: Unwatching this thread as it's a dumpster fire.
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Bye you are in the basement of the forums - chit chat forum = no lights on and no sunshine here. You will get your feelings hurt here. 50 other forums to chose from. Will Prowse is over generous. . Good luck.
 
Mithril said:
The politest thing I can say is I pity you. Travel more, see the world, meet people unlike yourself and try talking to them.

Edit: Unwatching this thread as it's a dumpster fire.
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Been all over the world. Spent 20 years in the military.
Saw all kinds of hurt.
Not my responsibility to take care of everyone.
 
Mithril said:
You mean like roads, the military, fire and police services? And how they all work better than private attempts at those? Right ok. Or how nearly every community/city run ISP costs less and works better than nearly every private company ISP? ok.
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Eh, the roads around here suck :LOL:
 
Roads paid for by a gas tax makes more sense as it is still usage based.

I shouldn't have to worry about losing the roof over my childrens' heads because of property tax to send someone else's kid to a school. That's asinine.
 
SparkyJJO said:
Roads paid for by a gas tax makes more sense as it is still usage based.

I shouldn't have to worry about losing the roof over my childrens' heads because of property tax to send someone else's kid to a school. That's asinine.
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Exactly ..here in DFW they provide free breakfast and lunch all year...and in the summer they still provide free breakfast if you're enrolled. While people are loosing their homes and can't afford to have quality food themselves. Our ER are being used as a primary care doctor to....and they never collect any money so the tax payer has to pay it while they can't afford their own health care.
 
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Nobodybusiness said:
Been all over the world. Spent 20 years in the military.
Saw all kinds of hurt.
Not my responsibility to take care of everyone.
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To many of the liberals haven’t seen what the real world is like if they did travel abroad it definitely wasn’t in the same areas we were in, my many years in the navy has definitely changed my desire to travel abroad and go on a cruise
 
rodrick said:
To many of the liberals haven’t seen what the real world is like if they did travel abroad it definitely wasn’t in the same areas we were in, my many years in the navy has definitely changed my desire to travel abroad and go on a cruise
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Absolutely..
 
Electrical rates throughout the country should be based on 100 kWh blocks.. the more blocks you use in a month, the more each block costs.

Meter charges should be the same for everyone.
 
That doesn't take into account differences in regional costs though.

And why charge more per block if you're using more blocks? You're already paying more by using more. Why get hit twice?

Same kinda nonsense as graduated income tax. You pay more already for making more, but then you increase the rate too, so double whammy. Why...
 
MurphyGuy said:
Electrical rates throughout the country should be based on 100 kWh blocks.. the more blocks you use in a month, the more each block costs.

Meter charges should be the same for everyone.
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So a progressive cost, a punishment for using what you need or want? When did this country start thinking so dam communist?
 
SparkyJJO said:
That doesn't take into account differences in regional costs though.

And why charge more per block if you're using more blocks? You're already paying more by using more. Why get hit twice?

Same kinda nonsense as graduated income tax. You pay more already for making more, but then you increase the rate too, so double whammy. Why...
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Because good men stood down and did nothing and socialism crept in via bleeding heart liberalism..now its seeds are germinating and blooming into full blown Marxism. Took decades but they boiled the fog successfully. Now what are we going to do about it is another question that has come up in history before.
 
SparkyJJO said:
That doesn't take into account differences in regional costs though.

And why charge more per block if you're using more blocks? You're already paying more by using more. Why get hit twice?
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It encourages people to conserve energy instead of wasting it.
SparkyJJO said:
Same kinda nonsense as graduated income tax. You pay more already for making more, but then you increase the rate too, so double whammy. Why...
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I'm not a tax expert so can't give you an opinion on that.

realpinochet said:
So a progressive cost, a punishment for using what you need or want? When did this country start thinking so dam communist?
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It encourages people to conserve energy instead of wasting it.

Communist? It's free market, you have no constitutional rights concerning the delivery of electrical power. In fact, with the exception of pollution controls and other factors, the energy companies should be deregulated and be allowed to charge anyone any price they want for their product(s).

Once again, you have no constitutional rights to products or services offered by others.
 
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