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Lefties are one trick ponies.
Anyone who disagrees with them is a Russian (are Russians bad people or something?) a racist, a homophobe or belly button lint eater.
They lack the brain power to defend their position so they avoid it by saying the opponent is bad.
Anyone who disagrees with them is a Russian (are Russians bad people or something?) a racist, a homophobe or belly button lint eater.
They lack the brain power to defend their position so they avoid it by saying the opponent is bad.
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This one isn't an accident.
"People in the Hudson Valley are working to put a stop to current plans to discharge 1 million gallons of contaminated radioactive waste into the Hudson River from the Indian Point power plant."
"People in the Hudson Valley are working to put a stop to current plans to discharge 1 million gallons of contaminated radioactive waste into the Hudson River from the Indian Point power plant."
Advocates demand plan to discharge radioactive waste into Hudson River from Indian Point power plant be stopped
Health and environmental experts met with state lawmakers and Hudson Valley residents on Thursday night for a second virtual forum.
hudsonvalley.news12.com
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The protest are probably rooted in scientific ignorance, as is most of the protests in this country. As radioactive nuclei go, tritium is the Labrador Retriever of radioactive elements.This one isn't an accident.
"People in the Hudson Valley are working to put a stop to current plans to discharge 1 million gallons of contaminated radioactive waste into the Hudson River from the Indian Point power plant."
Advocates demand plan to discharge radioactive waste into Hudson River from Indian Point power plant be stopped
Health and environmental experts met with state lawmakers and Hudson Valley residents on Thursday night for a second virtual forum.hudsonvalley.news12.com
It has a half-life of something like 10 years and no one seems to complain about high concentrations of it in their glow-in-the-dark watches or rifle scopes, or the plethora of other applications where it's used. (including children's toys)
Tritium is a beta emitter with a ridiculously low decay energy.. so low, that common Geiger counters are not sensitive enough to detect it. You would have to actually ingest the tritium in order for it to do any harm to you because it's beta energy is so low it is not capable of penetrating anything.. Heck, it probably can't even travel but a few feet through normal air.
Tritium is produced naturally in our atmosphere from cosmic radiation..
People are dumb. Their protests are based on fear, which is based on ignorance and stupidity.
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Thanks for the education. I'll share it with my buddy who told me about it, he's south of the Hudson.
If it's in the water couldn't it be ingested by humans whose water comes from the Hudson? What about risk to aquatic life?
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A million gallons of lightly radioactive water mixed with billions upon billions of gallons of river water?
What this really comes down to is simple mathematics.. We need to know: 1) The tritium concentration in the million gallons of water 2) The volume of water flowing in the Hudson River, and 3) The flow rate of the release.. IE: how fast they will release that million gallons.
Releasing a million gallons of highly contaminated water all at once in a creek that is 15 feet wide and flowing 2 mph, is going to cause a problem.
Releasing a million gallons of barely contaminated water over the course of a month in a river that is 5 miles wide and flowing with white caps and rapids.. not so much.
We can't discuss potential effects without knowing the specifics. But as I said, as radioactive elements go, tritium is pretty harmless. It's just hydrogen with an extra couple neutrons and it's decay energy is stupidly low.. It's at 18 keV.. Even decent Geiger counters won't detect energies lower than 50 keV, and most consumer grade Geiger counters that cost $200 to $500 won't detect anything below 200 -500 keV (regardless of the Chinese claims LOL)
What I find strange, and probably a result of my own ignorance, is that tritium decays into helium-3.. The last time I read about this, the amount of helium-3 we have collected on Earth throughout all history could fit into a coffee can, and a not even a full size coffee can. Why is this interesting? Because for quite some time, we've known that Helium-3 could be used to create a fusion power plants.. Helium 3 would make our goal of achieving clean fusion about 100 times easier than using hydrogen.. The problem of course, is that there is very little Helium 3 on our planet. Supposedly there's a lot of it on the moon, but it's not economical to go there and collect it.
So I wonder, if they have all this tritium water, and we know the tritium is going to decay into H3, why don't they try to harvest it? Must be an economics thing.. or maybe we don't have the tech to separate it out? Not sure about that one.
What you conveniently forget is that radiation effects are cumulative. (This is one of the explanations why the doctor steps out when they take your xray). What is also important is that something like a spillage is going to be yet another factor in addition to many other factors that are within and without our control (crappy processed food people consume, polluted air people breath, vaccines people are forced to take since week old, constant EMF that people are constantly being bombarded with (key word here is constantly - the judgment on EMF is still very much unknown and wont be known for decades, and that is if they are truthful). Either way, all of these things have impact on health, and since each person has different genetics, some people break sooner than others, while some (very few) truly appear to be "immune" (Or maybe they are just balancing all the straws where one can break the camel's back).
There is a lot of things we don't know and based on the last few years a lot of "Accepted truths" (even "scientific ones") need to be entirely reevaluated, but I bet you many people do not want to be guinea pigs in this experiment.
There is a lot of things we don't know and based on the last few years a lot of "Accepted truths" (even "scientific ones") need to be entirely reevaluated, but I bet you many people do not want to be guinea pigs in this experiment.
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Radiation effects are not cumulative. Exposure is cumulative, the effects are not that simple. Even the exposure isn't that simple.
For example, when you ingest something like water with high lead content, the lead doesn't leave your body. You don't excrete the heavy metal through urine, sweat or defecating. The lead accumulates so it is "cumulative".
Since we are all constantly exposed to natural environmental ionizing radiation, our bodies have adapted to repairing the damage from radiation exposure.
Death by a thousand cuts... If you cut someone 1000 times in a day, they will probably die from the effects.. but if those cuts happen over 50 years, then their risk of dying is almost zero. Radiation exposure happens in the same way. Sure, it is possible to die from a single cut when it gets infected, but the probability from that is low.
Vaccines people are forced to take since a week old? I have a child and she was not "forced to take since a week old". I have no idea what you're talking about here as no one has ever forced any vaccines on us.
Constant EMF (I'm assuming EMF = Electromagnetic Frequency)? Can you elaborate on this? I ask because it doesn't make sense the way I'm reading it.
If EMF stands for Electromagnetic Frequencies, then I can tell you with certainty that in my circles, the judgement is very much settled. That said, I can also tell you that in "other circles", the judgement will never be settled as that is how conspiracy and scientific ignorance works.
We call that Darwinism.
There are a lot of things we don't know, but fortunately, the benefits of vaccinations and the effects of electromagnetic radiation are not among them.
The chinese will most likely mine the Helium 3 on the moon. Helium 3 is opined to be several places off planet earth. They chinese reportedly landed there on moon around 2012-2013 - think unmanned But might been manned. They were also going to use Helium 3 as a fusion reactor fuel for deep space ship - flight. Also Best launch from Moon vs Earth. There are craters on the moon that are opined to be convertible to living space if domed. No one has ever answered me as to why we stopped going there over 50 years ago. We went to the South pole and setup a nuke reactor..... but not back to the moon.
Think everyone should avoid anything radioactive ie: do not eat, drink or breathe it. Best course if distance from it. However we have it naturally in nature too.
Everyone is always worried about nuclear this or that from nuke plants but more ppl probably die from Radon gas - then anything else nuke related. It can be in anything..... lot of ppl buy those nice granite counter tops - filled with radon and was once recommended to be sealed ultra thick clear coating. Then there is your cement, dry wall, and such with radon ..... but ppl are worried about nuclear power plants ..... according to epa around 20,000 ppl die from radon every year - lung cancer. Reason you don't hear about it was found in so many things can't run or hide from it. Radio silence.
www.epa.gov
beta and gamma from some granites.
"uranium, thorium or radium will decay into radon, a colorless, odorless, radioactive gas that may cause lung cancer. Radon released from granite building materials can be released over the lifetime of use but typically will be diluted by ventilation."
everyone afraid of covid:.... might want to read up on Natural Radiation. Fear porn.
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Just tid bits...
do you know what is coal fly ash? Have you ever heard of cinder blocks? They are used in decorative fashion not structural - made from coal ash. Years ago TVA had a coal plant that their coal ash got lose and contaminated a large area. Stuff is also radioactive ashes left over after burning coal....... most ppl have no idea.
www.scientificamerican.com
Think everyone should avoid anything radioactive ie: do not eat, drink or breathe it. Best course if distance from it. However we have it naturally in nature too.
Everyone is always worried about nuclear this or that from nuke plants but more ppl probably die from Radon gas - then anything else nuke related. It can be in anything..... lot of ppl buy those nice granite counter tops - filled with radon and was once recommended to be sealed ultra thick clear coating. Then there is your cement, dry wall, and such with radon ..... but ppl are worried about nuclear power plants ..... according to epa around 20,000 ppl die from radon every year - lung cancer. Reason you don't hear about it was found in so many things can't run or hide from it. Radio silence.
What is radon gas? Is it dangerous? | US EPA
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beta and gamma from some granites.
"uranium, thorium or radium will decay into radon, a colorless, odorless, radioactive gas that may cause lung cancer. Radon released from granite building materials can be released over the lifetime of use but typically will be diluted by ventilation."
everyone afraid of covid:.... might want to read up on Natural Radiation. Fear porn.
Map of Natural Radioactivity in the U.S.
Take a look at natural radioactivity and some of the regions in the United States where Uranium is found in especially high or low concentrations.
There's Atomic Energy in Granite | NuEnergy
THERE’S ATOMIC ENERGY IN GRANITE: CAN WE UNLOCK IT? By Dr. Harrison Brown | Professor of Geochemistry, California Institute of Technology Common, ordinary
www.nuenergy.org
do you know what is coal fly ash? Have you ever heard of cinder blocks? They are used in decorative fashion not structural - made from coal ash. Years ago TVA had a coal plant that their coal ash got lose and contaminated a large area. Stuff is also radioactive ashes left over after burning coal....... most ppl have no idea.
Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste
By burning away all the pesky carbon and other impurities, coal power plants produce heaps of radiation
In the context of the original post I suspect he means Electromagnetic Field(s). Surprised you didn't know that.
That will be news to the NIH and other government agencies who currently take the position that more study is needed in this area.
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Same thing.. the two are intrinsic.
Of course more study is needed.. research and study are always a good thing regardless of how much we know. The phrase "more study is needed" is not a position, its a philosophy.
But I think it's worth mentioning that after a billion years of evolution on this planet, all the while being bombarded by and being within electromagnetic fields, what is it that "more study" is looking for?
In fact, without those electromagnetic fields, humans wouldn't be here to discuss them, and strangely enough, all objects radiate their own EMF.
If you read the link in last post notice the date and number of new Nuclear reactors that was predicted. Didn't happen. Matter of fact the democrats normally railed to shut them down. Seeing nuclear reactos on the new green deal amazed me.
"On August 23, 2020, Forbes reported, that "[the 2020 Democratic Party platform] marks the first time since 1972 that the Democratic Party has said anything positive in its platform about nuclear energy".[131]"
en.wikipedia.org
we have been going in reverse for a lot of power production concerns which makes me doubtful of being able to sustain EV without personal home setup. If say the USA ever moved manufacturing back here then the electrical grid would definitely be over loaded.
I am amazed the EPA are allowing some things.... which might not be allowed. Same for NRC. Which is overly redundant for requirements IMHO
Our railways are over worked undrr manned and in horrible disrepair in name of profit and corporate greed Railways had been long term secure investments.... but all that changed with "precision railroading".
"On August 23, 2020, Forbes reported, that "[the 2020 Democratic Party platform] marks the first time since 1972 that the Democratic Party has said anything positive in its platform about nuclear energy".[131]"
Nuclear power in the United States - Wikipedia
we have been going in reverse for a lot of power production concerns which makes me doubtful of being able to sustain EV without personal home setup. If say the USA ever moved manufacturing back here then the electrical grid would definitely be over loaded.
I am amazed the EPA are allowing some things.... which might not be allowed. Same for NRC. Which is overly redundant for requirements IMHO
Our railways are over worked undrr manned and in horrible disrepair in name of profit and corporate greed Railways had been long term secure investments.... but all that changed with "precision railroading".
Not really the same thing - the field is the "thing" and its frequency is a characteristic, and since EMFs exist across the entire frequency spectrum all frequencies are "electromagnetic frequencies".
Perhaps the study would be looking for the field strength levels and associated frequencies at which tissue damage might occur. I can tell you from personal experience working with very high strength EMFs in the 50 kHz range that you can definitely feel a change when the field is present that extends for a minute or two after the exposure; in my case it was a tightening of all joints in the hand that was exposed similar to arthritis but without the pain. Of course, the strength of these fields cannot be compared to anything that you might be exposed to naturally or otherwise in normal life, and I suspect that the fields generated by current modern day electronics and high tension lines are no where near strong enough to do damage.
I think by making this statement you have pretty much invalidated every single argument on this subject. Confirms to me that as we say "you hear the bells, but dont know who is ringing
).You are comparing apples to oranges. Take a simple EMF meter. Measure background EMF level. (the one you are bombarded with from natural sources such as the sun).
Now take the same EMF meter and measure it next to your WIFI access point.
Again, it is unknown how much EMF is detrimental to our health, and its important to remember that not all EMF is the same even. The one I would personally be most worried about is mmw 5G, this is the 50-60GHZ frequency one. There has been no long term effects study, but initial "notes from the field" are not very reassuring, enough for me to start questioning these things.
Another thing to keep in mind, is that for the first time in history we are under continuous exposure (for example when you are streaming via WIFI/BT). It is one thing to have occasional brief bursts such is the case with normal browsing, it is entirely different when you are constantly bombarded when you are holding your phone and watching a 2 hr video, or listening music for several hours per day using your BT headphones. The judgement is simply out on that one. We do not know. We are all part of the experiment, but some of us may want to minimize it when possible (Such as using wired headset when possible).
What I hate is when armchair experts come out and say "its safe and effective because someone in authority position said its so (usually completely bought and paid for by special interest).
And dont even get me started on Childhood Vaccine safety. This rabbits hole goes deep and if you are really interested in learning, i suggest your start questioning and researching on your own. But yes, it is convenient to turn off your brain and just follow the "Experts". Does not matter who paid them right? Just some basic thoughts - If everything was great with childhood vaccins, would the pharma that manufactures them need complete legal immunity? What about the revolving door between FDA/CDC and big pharma? What about the fact that they refuse to do actual cause-and-effect study? Because they actually know too well what that study would show. Questions, questions.
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Watch statement by former NIH head, starting at 13.55
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You are splitting hairs. You can't have one without the other.
Too much of almost anything can cause harm. Your body contains water, you must consume water to live, but too much water and you drown and die.
We live in a gravitational well, but if that well were to increase by a factor of 10, we'd all die.
Totally not.
You are being intellectually dishonest after you have been called on posting inaccurate (BS) statement.
Complete nonsense. This is like saying if a brick falls on your head right now, you will die. You surely will, but what are the chances of a brick falling on your head RIGHT NOW (unless you are at the construction site?).
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Right.. I'm an electrical engineer, and after 30 years I have retired.. and I don't know what I'm talking about.I think by making this statement you have pretty much invalidated every single argument on this subject. Confirms to me that as we say "you hear the bells, but dont know who is ringing
So tell me, what about the 5G do you think causes damage, and what is the functional mechanism you believe causes the damage?
The ridiculous and false nature of that statement is mind boggling.
ROFLMAO.. Ok. I'm done.
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There seems to be a logical disconnect here. I gave you an example of how too much of anything can be harmful and you went straight to a rationalization comparing the statistical probability of a brick falling on your head.
Have a nice day.. feel free to wrap yourself in tinfoil.
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Yes, my dad can beat up your dad. I think you have read about electrical engineering in a kid's book, as your level of understanding of basic concepts is roughly on the level of my 4 year old (Mixing up EM Frequency with EM Field).
Instead of acting like a child, research is your friend
Start here. Then start applying critical thiking. ROFLMAOing wont help you much, only make an idiot out of yourself.
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