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I don't think they've came out with new power line technology like ever. I don't think there's a lifecycle for power lines and the rest of the grid but could be mistaken. But the point still stands that the "GRID" is the cheapest part of utility service.
But the point still stands that the "GRID" is the cheapest part of utility service.
It's not, it's the most expensive part.
 
OR, they have been charging for "infrastructure improvements" for 50 years and been pocketing that money.
Couldn't be. AEP's CEO only makes 16 million. I'd love to see stats of the total compensation of all executives and board members for electric utilities, then compare that to the cost of grid maintenance annually.

 

It's not, it's the most expensive part.
"The 2013 OSU survey collected pole purchasingdata, with 86 utilities reporting they purchased onaverage 5,845 poles a year. When compared to thetotal pole population, the estimated pole replacementrate would be 1.12 percent a year, compared to 0.7percent indicated in the 2000 survey. However, thisrate must be viewed with some caution since thepurchases include poles for new line construction."

"Based on the 0.6 percent replacement rate, theaverage pole service life would easily reach 80 yearsin many areas of the country, far in excess of theperceived 30 to 40 years. Thus, old wood does notmean weaker wood.While service life will vary among utilities, if we lookin most utility systems, we see enormous quantities oflines installed in the 1950s where the vast majority ofthe poles remain in service. In 2014, the Los AngelesDepartment of Water and Power reported that morethan half of 320,000 poles in service were 50 years orolder, with some exceeding 90 years or longer."

Telephone pole cost​

A telephone pole costs $1,200 to $5,600 with installation or $100 to $900 for materials alone. A telephone pole is also called a utility pole, power pole, or electric pole. Most telephone poles are 30 to 45 feet tall and made of wood. Prices are higher for metal, concrete, or fiberglass poles.

And google says there's 185,000,000 poles in the US.

So with a life of only 50 years at $5k each thats 18.5B spent per year including installation. Total US electricity was 488B so 4%. Add in maintenance and repairs plus upgrades maybe 5%. Metal structures are more but also last a lot longer and no maintenance. Another 5% for the additional structures and 5% for the substations and such. There's no way its over 20%
 
Maybe in the before times.

The poles themselves are under a grand retail. Typical ones for residential neighborhoods likely under $500 for utility companies. I know some lineman and they say a team of 4 with 2 trucks can replace over a dozen a day including relining and everything, but lets say 2 hour average x 4 guys 8manhours per pole, even at outrageous $100/hr thats 800 in labor.

Trucks might be 3000/mo capitalized so 40hr week x4.25 weeks per month (170hrs) means each truck's $18/hr so an additional $36 for 2 trucks, add fuel and etc and we're at $50.

Leaving $4150 for misc additional charges... idk what else it could be.
 
I can buy a 25' treated wood pole for $800. And it takes about 20 minutes with their specialized trucks for the utility company to change one. I understand the costs to run new lines, insulators, transformers, etc. but just to change out a pole? There is no way it will cost $5000 to change out every damaged pole.
 
I can buy a 25' treated wood pole for $800. And it takes about 20 minutes with their specialized trucks for the utility company to change one. I understand the costs to run new lines, insulators, transformers, etc. but just to change out a pole? There is no way it will cost $5000 to change out every damaged pole.
I severely over estimated and priced based on emergency service with crazy markups but even then there's no way possible the electric grid costs anywhere close to 20% of utility fees.
 
I severely over estimated and priced based on emergency service with crazy markups but even then there's no way possible the electric grid costs anywhere close to 20% of utility fees.
Every time we have a storm, utility crews come in from all over the country and work 80+ hour weeks to "get everything back to normal." That basically means they just put back the same old vulnerable infrastructure, but pay double overtime+ costs to do it. THEN we get to pay a "hurricane restoration charge" for the next 5 - 10 years to cover the cost of all that overtime. I have 2 of these charges on my bill right now, and on low usage months those charges are about half of my bill.

And to add to that injustice, the utility companies say they can't afford to harden infrastructure, yet they always find a way to put back the same old crap that gets blown down again and again. What is that old saying about insanity and doing the same thing over and over again?

It isn't "the government" that is screwing us, it is the corporations and all the morons that think "government should run like a business."
 
Then I’m sure there’s a fee to pay the off duty officers time and a half for traffic control during the swap in there too
 
Then I’m sure there’s a fee to pay the off duty officers time and a half for traffic control during the swap in there too
They don't need to for scheduled maintenance. It's the local governments responsibility to maintain traffic. Actually I don't believe they need to at all ever for utility events.
 
And it takes about 20 minutes with their specialized trucks for the utility company to change one.
Even IF 20 minutes were accurate, anybody who does actual real work the bulk of the time involved in any job is in the preparation, travel to/from site , compliance with the myriad legal, safety and environmental check boxes and so on.
 
Every time we have a storm, utility crews come in from all over the country and work 80+ hour weeks to "get everything back to normal." That basically means they just put back the same old vulnerable infrastructure, but pay double overtime+ costs to do it. THEN we get to pay a "hurricane restoration charge" for the next 5 - 10 years to cover the cost of all that overtime. I have 2 of these charges on my bill right now, and on low usage months those charges are about half of my bill.

And to add to that injustice, the utility companies say they can't afford to harden infrastructure, yet they always find a way to put back the same old crap that gets blown down again and again. What is that old saying about insanity and doing the same thing over and over again?

It isn't "the government" that is screwing us, it is the corporations and all the morons that think "government should run like a business."
Utility companies are just highly paid extension of the government. Those fees and additional costs are approved by the public utility commission which rubber stamps everything. On top of this utility companies are monopolies so there's no competition and the whole system is designed to steal as much as possible from the consumer with little to no oversight.

See how you already paid for the grid and for the maintenance of the grid from your normal rates, now paying extra for the next X years because of an event that happened in the past. Imagine Ford being like, we screwed up on making cars too cheap and had more warranty repairs last year so your car payments going up 40%
 
Even IF 20 minutes were accurate, anybody who does actual real work the bulk of the time involved in any job is in the preparation, travel to/from site , compliance with the myriad legal, safety and environmental check boxes and so on.
You're talking about tens of dollars when there's thousands of dollars in excess
 
Of course, does anyone want to be drafted to do it for free? And donate their time to become qualified?
I didn’t imply it in a negative way, just that it could be another significant cost.
Looks like someone else with better insights in that than I corrected my assumption in that the traffic wouldn’t be a utilities issue
 
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